Indian Army Artillery

[Hari Sud]

Are we proceeding with the ATAGS guns or the Army has forgotten about it?

 

[Prashant12]

Indigenous artillery guns a reality soon


India’s multi-pronged plan to self-produce artillery guns is finally inching ahead to end the two-decade delay. At least two types of guns are in final stages of being handed over to the Army.

“Dhanush” is being made at Ordnance Factory Board, while Advance Towed Artillery Gun System (ATAGS) has been designed by the Defence Research and Development Organisation and will be manufactured by Tata and Bharat Forge.

In its report in Parliament on August 7, the Comptroller and Auditor and General (CAG) said: “Pending successful clearance in user trials and consequent finalisation of system configuration, bulk production clearance (BPC) for the indent of gun placed on OFB in March 2013 was yet to be accorded by the Army and as a result, deficiency in holding of modern artillery gun continues”.

Six of the OFB produced Dhanush are now undergoing “battery fire test”—all guns firing collectively—sources said adding that the plan so far was to get 18 guns by March next year. A bulk production order would be placed soon.The MoD is positive on the ATAGS and very soon will place order for 12 guns for the Army to start using it before suggesting any changes. A formal proposal is expected to be okayed by the Defence Acquisition Council. Also, 145 pieces of the M777 ultra light howitzer will start arriving from September next year.

On target

• Being made at Ordnance Factory Board (OFB), ‘Dhanush’ has a maximum effective range of 38 km, onboard computer, electronic suite to enable real-time adjustments as regards moving and static targets
• Advance Towed Artillery Gun System has been designed by the Defence Research and Development Organisation and will be manufactured by Tata and Bharat Forge

https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation/indigenous-artillery-guns-a-reality-soon/638941.html

 

[Raj Malhotra]

Army brass is actively blocking the production of Dhanush howitxers since 6 years. the idea is to protect potential imports and also to prevent development of indigenous industrial base for production of howitzer

In the meanwhile m 777 is trying to Canvas that heavy howitzers are outdated and the production contract of 145 it should be raised to 1500. I expect then to succeed

my prediction is that the production atags willbe cancelled or delayed on the pretext that these are very heavy and we need M 777 and not atags

Pinaka 3 died before Arrival due to smerch lobby

 

[vampyrbladez]

Army brass is actively blocking the production of Dhanush howitxers since 6 years. the idea is to protect potential imports and also to prevent development of indigenous industrial base for production of howitzer

In the meanwhile m 777 is trying to Canvas that heavy howitzers are outdated and the production contract of 145 it should be raised to 1500. I expect then to succeed

my prediction is that the production atags willbe cancelled or delayed on the pretext that these are very heavy and we need M 777 and not atags

Pinaka 3 died before Arrival due to smerch lobby

With no other option, Army is forced to accept Dhanush and ATAGS. Govt will make sure of it.

 

[Raj Malhotra]

Army will kill both ATAGS & Dhanush. Dalal lobby of BAE is too powerful

 

[vampyrbladez]

Army will kill both ATAGS & Dhanush. Dalal lobby of BAE is too powerful

Baap of army is MoD. MoD's baap is Modi and Doval. No chance of dalals. Hence Russia and US butthurt.

 

[Advaidhya Tiwari]

Army brass is actively blocking the production of Dhanush howitxers since 6 years. the idea is to protect potential imports and also to prevent development of indigenous industrial base for production of howitzer

In the meanwhile m 777 is trying to Canvas that heavy howitzers are outdated and the production contract of 145 it should be raised to 1500. I expect then to succeed

my prediction is that the production atags willbe cancelled or delayed on the pretext that these are very heavy and we need M 777 and not atags

Pinaka 3 died before Arrival due to smerch lobby

MoD decides, not army. MoD can make Army buy anything, even grass. Army has no control over finance or any purchases. MoD is controlled by RSS and Doval.

Moreover, the range of M777 is just 27km and it has no electric drive, no mobility, no autofeed, no computers etc. M777 is just a light howitzer but has nothing that even comes close to replacing higher caliber and heavier ones. Don't slander unnecessarily.

 

[aarav]

MoD or simply defence secretary has more power than any general ,the Dhanush will be inducted and so will be ATAGS ,the defence secretary has indicated about mass production of Dhanush

 

[Prashant12]

Modi govt's major boost to Make in India, Army to buy 140 home-made artillery guns


In one of its biggest pushes to the Make in India initiative in the defence sector, Indian Defence Minister Nirmala Sitharaman will consider a proposal worth over Rs 3,000 crore to buy more than 140 indigenously-developed Advanced Towed Artillery Gun System (ATAGS) howitzers for the army which have been developed and manufactured by a joint venture of the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) and private sector companies Tata Power and Bharat Forge Limited.

The defence ministry will consider this proposal of buying more than 140 ATAGS howitzers along with close to 200 vehicles, which will be used for towing the guns as well as carrying their ammunition and other spare parts during operations by the Army at a high-level meeting planned to be held this week, government sources told MyNation.

After the Bofors controversy ensured that no artillery guns were bought for more than three decades for the Army, the defence ministry, under the Modi regime has finalised supply of various guns including the acquisition of 100 Vajra self-propelled guns, M-777 howitzers from the US and Dhanush howitzers which are being provided by the Ordnance Factories Board.

The 155 mm ATAGS guns have created a world record by firing at targets at a distance of 50 kilometres, which is much higher than the other systems of this class worldwide. The gun is believed to be two tonnes lighter than the other guns of the same category and scores higher than its rivals in terms of accuracy and rate of firing.

The guns have also performed very well during high altitude trials in Sikkim and other places, the sources said.


Sources in the government said that the order for 140 guns is the initial order as the Army has a requirement of several hundreds of such guns which will replace the older systems in the force.

The future guns would be provided with more capabilities as the stakeholders will continue to develop them further.

https://www.mynation.com/news/naren...artillery-guns-atags-howitzers-defence-pdyd7g

 

[Prashant12]

Watch World's Best 155mm Howitzer Artillery Gun 'Dhanush' In Action

 

[Prashant12]

Procurement of 150 Indigenously Designed and Developed 155 mm Advanced Towed Artillery Gun Systems for the Indian Army at estimated cost of Rs 3,364.78 crores also approved.

 

[Jackd]

Does anybody know that out of 150 atags cleared for procurement, how many of them will be from Kalyani and how many of them from Tata Power SED?

 

[Raj Malhotra]

With no other option, Army is forced to accept Dhanush and ATAGS. Govt will make sure of it.

Zero ATAGS & Dhanush will be adopted by Army. Dalal lobby too strong. We are Looking forward to more M777 CALIBER 39 & 52 orders

 

[vampyrbladez]

Zero ATAGS & Dhanush will be adopted by Army. Dalal lobby too strong. We are Looking forward to more M777 CALIBER 39 & 52 orders

Keep dreaming about this dalaldalobby. In this country only baap is Modi and MoD regarding procurement of weapons.

Already 140 ATAGS on the anvil with more post 2021. Dhanush too is primed for bulk production clearance post March 2019 having cleared 18 pcs by then.

 

[ezsasa]

Zero ATAGS & Dhanush will be adopted by Army. Dalal lobby too strong. We are Looking forward to more M777 CALIBER 39 & 52 orders

You have to factor in that even in DPSU made guns, there is a element of domestic private companies which supply sub components to DPSU. these domestic private defence companies also have an officially recoginsed lobby via FICCI.

or is it that you are more worried about Chandigarh dalal lobby who are loosing out money, because of domestic companies participation.

 

[abingdonboy]

Zero ATAGS & Dhanush will be adopted by Army. Dalal lobby too strong. We are Looking forward to more M777 CALIBER 39 & 52 orders

That time is over.

Under CONgress that may be the case but by media’s own admission corridors of power are closed today.

UPA remember had sat on FH77B blueprints for decades, they had issued tenders for towed 155/52 arty.

Under Modi Dhanush has been ordered, 150-190 ATAGS have been given in-principle approval and imports are nowhere to be seen.

Ditto for MGS


M777 is a special case because no other product in the world can do what it does

 

[proud_indian]

M777 is a special case because no other product in the world can do what it does

What about Bharat Forge Ultra Lightweight Howitzer?

 

[Amrk]

Have been waiting for this news for a long time, I never understand when people want Dhanush ordered, it's a system 7-10 years late, I hope N Modi comes back in 19 and we order at least 1000 towed and 1000 mounted ATAGS, that will give us the ability to kick anyone's teeth in, whether it be China or Pakistan.

 

[abingdonboy]

What about Bharat Forge Ultra Lightweight Howitzer?

It’s entirely untested. For now M777 is easily the only viable option

Considering M777 is essential for India’s checkmate to china (MSC) it makes sense to use tried and tested equipment that can be relied upon. Let BF prove the ULH first, without ULH MSC is toothless.

 

[abingdonboy]

Have been waiting for this news for a long time, I never understand when people want Dhanush ordered, it's a system 7-10 years late, I hope N Modi comes back in 19 and we order at least 1000 towed and 1000 mounted ATAGS, that will give us the ability to kick anyone's teeth in, whether it be China or Pakistan.

1500-2000 ATAGS are assured.

Looks like Dhanush-52 will take care of mounted gun system

But ATAGS as a SPG should be interesting if DRDO mounts it on their Arjun Chassis. Hope to see some news on this soon

If not more K9 will be ordered.


Hilarious how just a few years ago Pakis were having wet dreams about having superior arty to IA, they didn’t factor in having a nationalist as PM!

Another 5 years of Modi will change the entire national security outlook of India.

Can only shudder at the thought of a CONgress coalition govt coming back, we can be certain India’s MIC would be dismantled and security gradually weakened.