Indian Army Artillery

[mayfair]

Also, if anyone knows, is the ATAGS capable of Multiple-Round-Simultaneous-Impact (MRSI)? The Denel G6 is capable of 6 round MRSI. It would be great if we could develop that capability in ATAGS.

Ajay Shukla has this to say

http://ajaishukla.blogspot.jp/2016/12/indian-artillery-gun-shines-in-trials.html?m=1

The ATAGS is the world’s only gun with a six-round “automated magazine”, which lets it fire a six-round burst in just 30 seconds. Most other 155-mm, 52-calibre guns have three-round magazines, which must be reloaded after firing three rounds.

 

[Chinmoy]

r we not gaining any experience in assembly of M777 ??? can't we do reverse engineering in this technology?

Reverse engineering is not done in metallurgy. You could create fire control system, APU and other components by reverse engineering. But when it comes to metallurgy, you need to invest in R&D.

 

[bengalraider]

Why the hell the Porkis got 7 different calibers of field guns?

• 203mm
• 155mm
• 130mm
• 122mm
• 105mm
• 88mm
• 85mm

Tht's what happens when you fill your arty with khairaat that you get from whichever counrty is treating you a it's lil lapdog at that point of time.
Also becasue they haven't retired old arty pieces yet.

 

[bengalraider]

Export of technology for manufacturing Titanium barrels is prohibited by US law, so even if BaE were willing and we were willing to pay, US law would not permit it.

There's no shortcut but to develop it ourselves, hopefully Bharat Forge is onto it. I did read about them working on this a while ago. They do have some experience with Titanium forgings and they claim that their Bharat ULH 155mm/39 gun makes use of Titanium alloys. But they need to be tested first- the new DPP is expected to facilitate that. They recently set up an artillery manufacturing unit near Pune.

Bharat forge has acquired titanium extrusion capability from an unnamed source, they are currently forging barrels for their 155/39 ULWH prototypes from it.

 

[mayfair]

Bharat forge has acquired titanium extrusion capability from an unnamed source, they are currently forging barrels for their 155/39 ULWH prototypes from it.

That's good to hear. If I understand correctly, isn't Bharat Forge also involved in forging the barrels of ATAGS along with OFB? They won the tender together, so we should expect to see Titanium alloys in ATAGS barrels too, right?

 

[Prashant12]

Modi government close to $660 million arms deal

India is set to finalize a $660 million deal for mobile heavy artillery weapons -- its third major gun purchase in the past year and a sign Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s defense spending spree is far from over, according to people with knowledge of the matter.

The deal, expected to be approved in a cabinet decision in the coming days after extended commercial price negotiations, is a big win for Larsen & Toubro Ltd., a major Indian infrastructure and engineering company which partnered with South Korea’s Hanwha Techwin to modify the howitzer for local conditions.

It’s part of Modi’s $250 billion push to modernize the armed forces and overcome a 30-year lapse in its firepower procurement program, as India prepares to counter potential threats from Pakistan and China. Plans to buy new equipment from overseas have been held back by bureaucratic delays and the military’s desire to balance the needs of troops against efforts to have equipment built domestically under Modi’s "Make in India" program.

An Indian Army officer, who did not wish to be named as the matter is yet to go public, said the purchase contract for the 100 guns offered by L&T is pending final clearance and will soon go to the Cabinet Committee on Security for approval.

A second person familiar with the discussions who could not be named said the deal had been approved by the Ministry of Defence and was now with the Ministry of Finance. The proposal would be sent to cabinet for endorsement soon, they said.

Artillery modernization is long overdue, said Anit Mukherjee, assistant professor in the South Asia Program at the S. Rajaratnam School of International Studies at Nanyang Technological University in Singapore.

"Once these are inducted, these will give significant capabilities to the Indian military, both in the mountains and in the plains." After the cabinet approves the deal, it could take two-to-four years before the weapons are delivered to India, he said.

India Ministry of Defence spokesman Nitin Wakankar had no comment to offer on the possibility of the deal for the 155-mm 52-caliber K9 artillery gun -- modified for the army’s need for a highly mobile, long-range deep fire support weapon with a higher rate of fire -- being signed.

An email and phone calls to Larsen & Toubro seeking comment on the deal remain unanswered.

Since July last year, India’s state-owned Ordnance Factory delivered six locally-made 155-mm 45-caliber ‘Dhanush’ guns. In November, India signed a $737-million deal with the US for buying 145 155-mm 42-caliber M777 guns.

Defense Minister Manohar Parrikar said on Nov. 18 in New Delhi that the Indian Army had in mid-2016 inducted the Dhanush guns which would be tested by soldiers before more were added to the artillery regiments.

Some of these acquisitions are legacy items, Mukherjee said. The Dhanush project was started under former defense minister A. K. Antony in 2012 and the M777 howitzer deal was also under consideration earlier. "But it’s true that the Modi government made it happen," he said.

S.K. Chatterji, an independent strategic affairs analyst based in Delhi and a former brigadier in the Indian Army’s artillery regiment, said the acquisition of the guns "will tremendously improve the conventional war fighting capability of the Indian Army."

"Artillery is the weapon of choice when armies want to deploy a great amount of firepower on the enemy, but without escalating the battle to missiles deployment. Artillery also gives the stand-off advantage to forces," Chatterji said.

"The government has been aware that not a single artillery gun had been procured for 30 years now," he said, noting other significant weapons tenders were underway. "These are just the beginning."

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[Shadow]

Dhanush at GCF Jabalpur

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10155338959067580&id=27682782579

 

[jik60]

longer version of above video
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/video/...first-indian-army-ground-report/1/851399.html

 

[tejas warrior]

Exclusive: Born from Bofors taint, Dhanush to roll down Rajpath this Republ..

http://m.indiatoday.in/story/born-from-bofors-dhanush-roll-down-rajpath-republic-day/1/853057.html

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Already inducted Dhanush at Army firing range ..

 

[Brij Ray]

Army enthused by new indigenous artillery gun
websites http://idrw.org/army-enthused-by-new-indigenous-artillery-gun/#more-121038 .

This article states that if everything goes right, ATAGS could be inducted in 2022-24. Isn't that too long a time to test and induct an artillery gun?

 

[Spectribution]

Army enthused by new indigenous artillery gun
websites http://idrw.org/army-enthused-by-new-indigenous-artillery-gun/#more-121038 .

This article states that if everything goes right, ATAGS could be inducted in 2022-24. Isn't that too long a time to test and induct an artillery gun?

Possibly due to 414 Dhanush 45 and 52 calibre pushing ahead date of manufacture

 

[bengalraider]

Possibly due to 414 Dhanush 45 and 52 calibre pushing ahead date of manufacture

ATAGS will come by 2019-20. Production will be underatken by Tata & Bharat Forge No issues with Dhanush.

 

[Hari Sud]

I posed this question before and pose it again, that how are we set to make specialized ammunition for these guns. Are we well set or are we have to run abroad to get it like during Kargil War in 1999.

I understand that Nalanda ordnance factor was never built. Thanks to corruption issues. Still we need ammunition otherwise guns go silent.

 

[Spectribution]

I posed this question before and pose it again, that how are we set to make specialized ammunition for these guns. Are we well set or are we have to run abroad to get it like during Kargil War in 1999.

I understand that Nalanda ordnance factor was never built. Thanks to corruption issues. Still we need ammunition otherwise guns go silent.

That bitch A K Anthony is responsible for this chaos. The amount of damage he caused in 10 years due to his incompetence is catastrophic. That the heavens Modi is PM and Parrikar is DM.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Ordnance Factory at Ambajhari, Ordnance Factory at Itarsi are responsible for 155mm shell and propellant, this information is according to 2013 ..

Further changes and progress is not known to me ..

 

[Kunal Biswas]

81mm motar mounted on BMP-2 vehicle ..

 

[Ghost68]

81mm motar mounted on BMP-2 vehicle ..

is it in service or under trial or another failed program

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Indians and their systems are not really bad and perhaps better than those imported & Indians should know & respect their own kind first before any other ..

Like in second pic you quoted is from Army parade and not from republic day parade ..

is it in service or under trial or another failed program

 

[Ghost68]

Indians and their systems are not really bad and perhaps better than those imported & Indians should know & respect their own kind first before any other ..

Like in second pic you quoted is from Army parade and not from republic day parade ..

yes sir i respect Indian systems and know what they are capable of and no less than any other but the problems come when they are not accepted by army and army goes for imported one for ex msmc has cleared trials but no order placed yet instead global tender has been floated same for mciws it such a good gun but army is going for imported guns.