Indian Army Armored Vehicles

[wuzetian]

I don't know the current strength (out of 125 ~ ) but Arjun has already served the Army well that's why it was awarded with "president standard" last year.



Also, it's surprising why GOI don't order Mk 2 in large number but T 90MS

I think they ordered 150 mk2...
.Buying T90ms is to keep Russia happy , nothing else .

 

[Bornubus]

I think they ordered 150 mk2...
.Buying T90ms is to keep Russia happy , nothing else .

Good. Mk 2 looks like a well protected Tank.


Once inducted in numbers no Paki or Chinese Ammo would be able to penetrate it including their so called Depleted uranium round.

 

[wuzetian]

Good. Mk 2 looks like a well protected Tank.


Once inducted in numbers no Paki or Chinese Ammo would be able to penetrate it including their so called Depleted uranium round.

I too am looking forward to that. The issue is that government doesn't expect tanks to have a major role to play in a future war, in a video Ajit Doval stressed on the fact that future war with China and Pakistan will be played mainly on Air using aircraft and missiles . That is why all funding is going for Variants of Brahmos , Nirbhay etc. So I think less budget is allocated to tank production .

 

[Indx TechStyle]

no Paki or Chinese Ammo would be able to penetrate it including their so called Depleted uranium round.

Let's be realistic, these machines would be more likely to be deployed for challenging tactical nuclear bombs.
Indian Army Will Soon Have NBC Protection Suits To Counter Pakistan's Tactical Nuclear Weapon
They (when built) must be far more rough & tough than any Tank available now.

For actual note, I wanted to ask question.
To what extend Arjun Mk2's armour can withstand a Thermobaric Weapon? And how much useful will be thermobaric ammo which we are developing for tanks?

 

[Bornubus]

Let's be realistic, these machines would be more likely to be deployed for challenging tactical nuclear bombs.
Indian Army Will Soon Have NBC Protection Suits To Counter Pakistan's Tactical Nuclear Weapon
They (when built) must be far more rough & tough than any Tank available now.

For actual note, I wanted to ask question.
To what extend Arjun Mk2's armour can withstand a Thermobaric Weapon? And how much useful will be thermobaric ammo which we are developing for tanks?

I am talking about conventional Anti Tank Ammo including Paki Depleted Uranium Round "Nazia"

Around 50 % of our Armor inventory is vulnerable to such Ammo

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Arjun MK1&2 are both fitted with NBC filters for operating under nuclear environment, @Bornubus post indicated towards Naiza series Depleted uranium rounds which has max penetration of +500mm at 90degree @ 2000ms, Same as our own tungsten rounds of similar penetration ..

The machine which are manufactured after 2010 and utalised Kanchan Armour can defeat Naiza as well as Baktar-Shikan ATGM, Adding of ERA MK2 and NERA increases protection from multiple hits ..

Indian Army now upgrading its T-72M1, future T-90 bhishmas and by default Arjun MK2 with ERA MK2, Army should consider upgrading its Arjun MK1 fleet with ERA MK2 too..

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Thermobaric round on MK2 front armour will disable most of its electronics mounted on turret and destroy its ERA panels and probably Gunner sight, It will not kill it but cripple it, But i am strictly taking about 120mm and 125mm tank rounds not hand held RL`s thermobaric rounds ..

Using against T-72 / T-55 this will cause more damage and probably kill the tank as well ..

Let's be realistic, these machines would be more likely to be deployed for challenging tactical nuclear bombs.
Indian Army Will Soon Have NBC Protection Suits To Counter Pakistan's Tactical Nuclear Weapon
They (when built) must be far more rough & tough than any Tank available now.

For actual note, I wanted to ask question.
To what extend Arjun Mk2's armour can withstand a Thermobaric Weapon? And how much useful will be thermobaric ammo which we are developing for tanks?

 

[Bornubus]

Arjun MK1&2 are both fitted with NBC filters for operating under nuclear environment, @Bornubus post indicated towards Naiza series Depleted uranium rounds which has max penetration of +500mm at 90degree @ 2000ms, Same as our own tungsten rounds of similar penetration ..

The machine which are manufactured after 2010 and utalised Kanchan Armour can defeat Naiza as well as Baktar-Shikan ATGM, Adding of ERA MK2 and NERA increases protection from multiple hits ..

Indian Army now upgrading its T-72M1, future T-90 bhishmas and by default Arjun MK2 with ERA MK2, Army should consider upgrading its Arjun MK1 fleet with ERA MK2 too..

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Thermobaric round on MK2 front armour will disable most of its electronics mounted on turret and destroy its ERA panels and probably Gunner sight, It will not kill it but cripple it, But i am strictly taking about 120mm and 125mm tank rounds not hand held RL`s thermobaric rounds ..

Using against T-72 / T-55 this will cause more damage and probably kill the tank as well ..

How effective this thermobaic Round against well protected Tanks such as T 80UD because thermobaic weapons are generally used as Anti personal / anti structure not anti armor.


I am thinking that it would harm the crew inside the tank (Burst eardrums, concussion and ruptured Lungs ) more than it damage the tank itself.


Take out the crew and you take out the Tank.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Its like creating a artificial sun on impact with tank which will be there for few seconds creating 3000 degree temperature and will melt and destroy anything near to it, ERA tiles, Military grade plastic so does electronics and as well as external fuel tank, Optics in particular, Crew will suffer as you have indicated ..

The result is obviously lot worse than what a HE or HESH round could do ..

How effective this thermobaic Round against well protected Tanks such as T 80UD because thermobaic weapons are generally used as Anti personal / anti structure not anti armor.I am thinking that it would harm the crew inside the tank (Burst eardrums, concussion and ruptured Lungs ) more than it damage the tank itself.

Take out the crew and you take out the Tank.

 

[Rushil51]

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...operationalised-soon/articleshow/56463651.cms

PUNE: The grounded fleet of indigenously made Arjun Mark-I tanks is soon to be operationalised as the Army has found the required imported components and addressed snags in the tanks.

About 75% of the 124 tanks with the Army were grounded one-and-a-half-year ago.

Major General P Dixit, Commandant of Armoured Corps Centre and School (ACC&S), an institute which carries out various courses for Armoured Corps officers, said: "The snags in the tanks were identified thoroughly. The fleet was grounded as we were not getting imported components for the tanks. Now we are getting the components and the fleet will be operationalised in the coming months."

The Army has inducted around 125 Arjun tanks developed by the Defence Research and Development Organisation and manufactured by state owned Heavy Vehicles Factory at Avadi in Chennai.

A senior official from HVF, Avadi, said: "The entire fleet of the tanks was grounded for more than a year which was a major setback for the Army. However, the ministry of defence had set up a special committee comprising experts from DRDO, HVF and senior Army officers to find foreign manufacturers who could supply the spare parts." The parts are coming from various countries, including Germany. Because of the tedious procurement process, it is getting delayed eventually affecting repairs of the tanks, the official added.

Speaking on the progress of Arjun Mark-II, Maj Gen Dixit clarified that the prototype of the tank has been developed. "But it is yet to come to a formidable stage."

Interestingly, two months ago, the government had hinted at buying advanced T-90 tanks from Russia, sidelining DRDO's Arjun Mark-IIs.

Sources in Armoured Corps said the Arjun Mark-I was affected by a range of snags in its transmission system, thermal imaging sights and accuracy, among others. "As a result, the Army is not showing much interest in Arjun Mark-II. The Army has already suggested over 70 improvements in the tank," they added.

When asked on the induction of advanced T-90 tanks, Maj Gen Dixit welcomed the development and said, "As our roles are expanding so any induction of new equipment as per government policy is beneficial for us. And, T-90 is the state-of-the-art tank".

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Didn't Manohar Parrikar said that Arjun now has achieved availability of 70%?

Also note the Arjun MK2 part. Development not complete so don't jump to the conclusion that it has been dumped.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

To break this article false allegation, The main character on which the article thrust depends is Major General P Dixit, Commandant of Armoured Corps Centre and School (ACC&S), an institute which carries out various courses for Armoured Corps officers.

He is no DGMF or commandant of 43rd & 75th Armound regiments, Will break these claims ..


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1. First question comes to anyone mind, How come a fleet of tank is being grounded for a year ?, Haven`t enough spare ordered before induction, Besides Track and transmission are manufactured and supplied Tractor Engineeers Ltd (TENGL), an L&T company, How come components are imported ?

3. According to article and its source fleet was ground for 1.5 years but contrary to claim, On 16 Mar 2016 Both the Regiments conducted a mounted parade on the indigenous Arjun tanks with clockwork precision and immaculate coordination in consonance with the highest traditions of the Indian Army and presented ‘President’s Standards’ to 75 Armored Regiment and 43 Armored Regiment, If grounded these machines would have been in hanger rather on field preforming parade in front of President of India and Army chief nor would have received ‘President’s Standards’ for coming best at everything that tank and tank men have to do, earlier the same year Jan 7, 2016 Arjun MK1 tanks from their regiments were transported to participate at firepower demonstration at Gujarat along with T-90 and T-72, Their is no way tanks were grounded ..

4. The article and the source speaks about various failures in sub systems but again contrary to claim the Trails of Arjun vs T-90 bhishma in action was not long ago and most of the army’s senior tank generals, including the Director General of Mechanised Forces, Lt Gen D Bhardwaj; strike corps commander, Lt Gen Anil Chait; Army Commander South, Lt Gen Pradeep Khanna; and Deputy Chief of the Army Staff, Lt Gen JP Singh. The Director General of Military Operations, Lt Gen AS Sekhon also attended the trials, Where Army official report placed Arjun MK1 higher than T-90 bhishma so does CAG report, If components are malfunctioning, leave alone trails the tanks won`t be operational on first place, The mass malfunction of various components from various tanks in sudden is not possible, Their are multiple inspections every week to make sure men and machine both are functioning, Also their won`t have any ‘President’s Standards' for such an unit, If such claims are true ..

5. During March 2010 to November 2013, HVF received 45 defect reports (DRs) from the Army relating to minor and major defects in the indigenous T-90 tanks. The defects mainly pertained to failure of gear box and defects in auto/electrical portion of the tanks. A Working Group was proposed (March 2012) to address these deficiencies which was not formed. The HVF, Avadi constituted (November 2004) a Failure Review Board (FRB) at factory level to investigate the reasons for defects at the users end. The FRB discussed (September 2013) the major failures and recommended measures, But this not changed few in Army interested in T-90 import, Rather after failures, rectification and low preform-ace its ''state-of-the-art tank" according to Major General P Dixit, Commandant of Armoured Corps Centre and School (ACC&S), This hold no logic.

5. Arjun MK2 have completed its trails and order of 118 are already given, HVF is already doubling its capacity and preparing for manufacturing MK2s, Its not yet understood what is "But it is yet to come to a formidable stage."

Source : http://www.spsmai.com/exclusive/?id=205&q=Arjun-Mk-II-Tank-Clears-All-Army-Trials-Service-Next-Year
Source : http://m.thehindubusinessline.com/n...f-capacity-being-ramped-up/article8687379.ece

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The above article tried best to show that Army dislikes Arjun or for the matter any other Indian system, which is untrue, Army likes Arjuns and have special place for it ==>

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Conclusion is the Individual have turn a blind eye into the current events around and made claims which does no hold water ..

Either the Commandent of ACC&S and source within of Armored corp are ill informed with older mindset about Indian made system or worst one of those moles which cannot survive without steady flow of kickbacks, The phenomenon is not limited to MOD babus but babus in Army and OFB and other PSU as well..

 

[Chinmoy]

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...operationalised-soon/articleshow/56463651.cms

PUNE: The grounded fleet of indigenously made Arjun Mark-I tanks is soon to be operationalised as the Army has found the required imported components and addressed snags in the tanks.

About 75% of the 124 tanks with the Army were grounded one-and-a-half-year ago.

Major General P Dixit, Commandant of Armoured Corps Centre and School (ACC&S), an institute which carries out various courses for Armoured Corps officers, said: "The snags in the tanks were identified thoroughly. The fleet was grounded as we were not getting imported components for the tanks. Now we are getting the components and the fleet will be operationalised in the coming months."

The Army has inducted around 125 Arjun tanks developed by the Defence Research and Development Organisation and manufactured by state owned Heavy Vehicles Factory at Avadi in Chennai.

A senior official from HVF, Avadi, said: "The entire fleet of the tanks was grounded for more than a year which was a major setback for the Army. However, the ministry of defence had set up a special committee comprising experts from DRDO, HVF and senior Army officers to find foreign manufacturers who could supply the spare parts." The parts are coming from various countries, including Germany. Because of the tedious procurement process, it is getting delayed eventually affecting repairs of the tanks, the official added.

Speaking on the progress of Arjun Mark-II, Maj Gen Dixit clarified that the prototype of the tank has been developed. "But it is yet to come to a formidable stage."

Interestingly, two months ago, the government had hinted at buying advanced T-90 tanks from Russia, sidelining DRDO's Arjun Mark-IIs.

Sources in Armoured Corps said the Arjun Mark-I was affected by a range of snags in its transmission system, thermal imaging sights and accuracy, among others. "As a result, the Army is not showing much interest in Arjun Mark-II. The Army has already suggested over 70 improvements in the tank," they added.

When asked on the induction of advanced T-90 tanks, Maj Gen Dixit welcomed the development and said, "As our roles are expanding so any induction of new equipment as per government policy is beneficial for us. And, T-90 is the state-of-the-art tank".

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Didn't Manohar Parrikar said that Arjun now has achieved availability of 70%?

Also note the Arjun MK2 part. Development not complete so don't jump to the conclusion that it has been dumped.

Times of India at their filthy best????

 

[Anikastha]

Times of India at their filthy best????

Toilet paper of India.

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[raviprakash]

TWO TANK REGIMENTS RIGHT ON LAC.

 

[wuzetian]

TWO TANK REGIMENTS RIGHT ON LAC.View attachment 13072 View attachment 13073

Ours or the Chinese tanks , these must be the T72 sent to LAC

 

[raviprakash]

Ours or the Chinese tanks , these must be the T72 sent to LAC

Our T-72 Tanks just 30 kms from LAC with nearby artillery regiment and ALG.

 

[raviprakash]

Reinforced road right up to LAC to take fight to Tibet.

 

[raviprakash]

POSSIBLE ROAD TAKEN BY T-72 TANKS FROM LEH AIRPORT TO REGIMENT.

 

[raviprakash]

2 TANK REGIMENTS LOCATED AT STRATEGIC POSITIONS TO ATTACK ANY MISADVENTURE BY PLA PASS NEAR CHUSUL BORDER POST.

 

[raviprakash]

Possible plains for tank warfare.

 

[Bornubus]

The lone Soviet tank

KV-1 or KV-2 tank (accounts vary) advanced far behind the German lines after attacking a column of German trucks. The tank stopped on a road across soft ground and was engaged by four 50 mm anti-tank guns of the 6th Panzer Division's anti-tank battalion. The tank was hit multiple times by these guns but fired back, disabling all four guns. A heavy 88 mm gun of the division's anti-aircraft battalion was moved about 730 metres (800 yd) behind the tank but was knocked out by the tank before it could score a hit.


During the night, German combat engineers attempted to destroy the tank with satchel charges, but were unable to, despite possibly damaging the tracks. Early on the morning of 25 June, German tanks fired on the KV from the woodland while an 88 mm targeted the tank from its rear. Of several shots fired, only two penetrated the tank. German infantry then advanced, with the KV opening machine-gun fire against them.


The tank's resistance was finally ended by grenades thrown into the tank's hatches. According to some accounts, the crew was buried by the German soldiers with full military honors.

General Erhard Raus was Commander of the 6th Panzer Division's Kampfgruppe,[f] the unit delayed by the lone vehicle. He described it as a KV-1, which was damaged by several 88anti-tank gun shots fired from behind the vehicle while it was distracted by Panzer 35(t) tanks from Panzer Battalion 65, and the KV-1 crew were killed by pioneer engineer unit who pushed grenades through two holes made by the gun while the turret began moving again, the other five or six shots having not fully penetrated. Apparently, the KV-1 crew had remarkably only been stunned by the shots which had entered the turret. Afterwards, they were buried nearby with military honors by the German unit