Indian Army Armored Vehicles

[Kunal Biswas]

Fortified AFVs vital for future battles

VELLORE: The need for newer materials to produce Armoured Fight Vehicles (AFV), capable of surviving future battlefields, was stressed by Dr P Sivakumar, director of Combat Vehicle Research and Development Establishment (CVRDE) attached to the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) at Avadi, Chennai. He was speaking at the inauguration of the three-day international conference on recent trends in advanced materials at Vellore Institute of Technology (VIT) on Monday.

The conference, organised by the School of Advanced Sciences, attached to VIT University, has attracted around 800 delegates and 40 key-note speakers from across� the world. Sivakumar stated that battlefields are becoming increasingly fragmented and multi-spectrum in nature and have created newer demands on the protection of combat vehicles to ensure their survival. "We need newer and better materials to make our combat vehicles lightweight, efficient, powerful and shock resistant," he added.

Sivakumar explained how new breeds of armoured vehicles were being developed using a complex variety of materials made of metal matrix composite that can withstand high pressure, temperature and shock.

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[SPIEZ]

It says armoured, but I can see gap in between the drivers compartment and the troop compartment.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

It says armoured, but I can see gap in between the drivers compartment and the troop compartment.

This is a try to have India`s own specific Ambush protection vehicle..

This are US versions in use today in Astan and was on Iraq:

The Logic behind open passenger compartment is when under fire from enemy :


1. the troops can jump out the vehicle fast..

2. Spread out hence making difficult for enemy to engage multiple targets..

3. The troop can fire from different locations to a single enemy location..

4. At the same time the vehicle itself will provide fire support as it armed with a MMG/HMG/LMG mounted above armored cabin, It can also use RCWS..

5. This vehicle also use for logistic support under small arm fire..


This tactics is used world wide by Special forces and CT forces..

 

[bhramos]

RESERVE/STORE ICVS

500+ (miscellaneous Czechoslovakian & Russian types)

Bharat Rakshak :: Land Forces Site - Army Strength

OT-64 SKOT and what are other reserve IFV/APC..

FV432- Purchased from British Army surplus

Equipment of the Indian Army - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

are this also in Reserve???

 

[Kunal Biswas]

When they call reserve it can be for target practice also rusting in some storage..

 

[nitesh]

So we are stuck with up with a dead end T 90, where Russia is dumping them, we should stop the T 90 induction, and move ahead with more Arjun

http://indrus.in/articles/2012/02/29/armata_instead_of_t-90_15001.html

 

[Kunal Biswas]

With Arjun MK-2 & Mk-3

 

[nitesh]

With Arjun MK-2 & Mk-3

I guess, we are going to induct this imaginary tank now, and very soon we will the specs of FMBT coming out now, the import lobby will find more excuses to kill the home products

 

[Kunal Biswas]

I guess, we are going to induct this imaginary tank now, and very soon we will the specs of FMBT coming out now, the import lobby will find more excuses to kill the home products

Well one have to continue evolution, Just like LEOA4 to A7..

The focus should be the deign to improve armored protection besides its performance..

Arjun mk-2 with latest improvements might be ready for Army trials in June this year, but there has been some encouraging development in countries Main battle Tank's saga. Delays in putting down requirements for the FMBT, countries next generation tank which Indian army hopes to field by 2020 might see rise of Arjun MK-3.

Arjun MK-3 if sources are to be believed will have some dozen improvements over Arjun MK-2 in terms of features in battlefield communication and engine refinement. DRDO is already working on a 1500 BHP engine for Arjun MBT and a further improved variant of it will also power FMBT in Future.

Army after lengthy trails for years refused to purchase Arjun MBT due to technical issues with the Tank, which DRDO took several years to remove all the flaws of the tank to make it acceptable to the Indian army, but Army had placed orders for only 126 tanks in first batch of Arjun MK-1 and later placed further orders for 126 tanks in Arjun MK-2 configuration which required some major and minor improvements in the tanks fire power and Armor.

Arjun MK-3 orders might come has a positive response from the Indian army , since DRDO time and again had maintained that orders less then 500 will the make the project development cost unrecoverable

Arjun MK-3 might be a reality now | idrw.org
http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/indian-army/9558-arjun-mbt-96.html

 

[nitesh]

Kunal saar you are right in your thinking, but the attitude shown by IA in induction of Arjun is pathetic to say at least. And continuously needling it with small roders until so ans so improvements not done. Whereas imported equipments gets different treatment. I really wish that IA changes it's attitude cancels further T 90 induction, and concentrate on Arjun

 

[bhramos]

Kunal saar you are right in your thinking, but the attitude shown by IA in induction of Arjun is pathetic to say at least. And continuously needling it with small roders until so ans so improvements not done. Whereas imported equipments gets different treatment. I really wish that IA changes it's attitude cancels further T 90 induction, and concentrate on Arjun

to Induct all Arjun in all areas, we first need to modernisations of all bridges and infrastructures in all areas around in India mainly Punjab, Gujarat and Himachal .....

 

[nitesh]

to Induct all Arjun in all areas, we first need to modernisations of all bridges and infrastructures in all areas around in India mainly Punjab, Gujarat and Himachal .....

The tank was made according to the GSQR, so this work has to start any if any indication of MK2 has to be believed, it is more heavy then MK1. So I guess this work may have already begun.

PS: If we see the ground pressure of Arjun is lesser then T 90. Or ground pressure is irrelevant only the absolute weight matters.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Kunal saar you are right in your thinking, but the attitude shown by IA in induction of Arjun is pathetic to say at least. And continuously needling it with small roders until so ans so improvements not done. Whereas imported equipments gets different treatment. I really wish that IA changes it's attitude cancels further T 90 induction, and concentrate on Arjun

Agree but few points..

1. HVF is overloaded with T-90S orders and many Upgrades including T-72 and BMP.

2. There is a serious problem between communication also war of egos within both Organisation which no one care to note..

3. IA was using Soviet tanks and there deign philosophy is studied in brief and there are no major studies or research within IA about Western Deign, So there is always doubts which come from out in form of stupid claims.

4. Import lobby is strong and they are in IA very deep.

 

[Blackwater]

to Induct all Arjun in all areas, we first need to modernisations of all bridges and infrastructures in all areas around in India mainly Punjab, Gujarat and Himachal .....

Tanks dont go in himachal

 

[nitesh]

Agree but few points..


3. IA was using Soviet tanks and there deign philosophy is studied in brief and there are no major studies or research within IA about Western Deign, So there is always doubts which come from out in form of stupid claims.

Sir, I disagree with this point. IA put GSQR in line of western designs, they have used British tanks before. It is more to do with import lobby

 

[bhramos]

Tanks dont go in himachal

when T-72's could be deployed in Leh, why cant they in Himachal...

"From Leh, these metal giants would have to cross Chang La and reach Darbuk to be deployed in the NE part of Ladakh"
One of the T-72 tanks airlifted into Ladakh taking part in an army exercise .
Srinagar-Leh NH widened for T 72 tanks -Militants to increase intrusion bids in Kashmir: GOC - Daily Excelsior, 3 May 2011
http://zeenews.india.com/news/natio...al-highway-widened-for-t-72-tanks_703702.html
but not sure... just a guess.....

 

[Kunal Biswas]

when T-72's could be deployed in Leh, why cant they in Himachal...

"From Leh, these metal giants would have to cross Chang La and reach Darbuk to be deployed in the NE part of Ladakh"
One of the T-72 tanks airlifted into Ladakh taking part in an army exercise .

Srinagar-Leh NH widened for T 72 tanks -Militants to increase intrusion bids in Kashmir: GOC - Daily Excelsior, 3 May 2011
Srinagar-Leh national highway widened for T-72 tanks
but not sure... just a guess.....

Shimla Kalka Highway is not deign to carry MBT but Light tanks or IFV/APC such as BMP-2..
There are no long airstrip to land IL-76MD in Himachal Area..
The Rail way is narrow gauge..



Leh and Ladak area are modified for transporting tanks, Leh airfield is deign to land IL-76MD..

 

[SPIEZ]

Shimla Kalka Highway is not deign to carry MBT but Light tanks or IFV/APC such as BMP-2..

I don't think so Kunal, tracks were designed to go anywhere.

The seventy-ton M1 Abrams tank has an average ground pressure of just over 15 psi (100 kPa). Since tire air pressure is approximately equal to average ground pressure, a typical car will have an average ground pressure of 28 psi (190 kPa) to 33 psi (230 kPa).

source:wiki

 

[Kunal Biswas]

I don't think so Kunal, tracks were designed to go anywhere.
source:wiki

Yes, true abt the ground pressure which reduced by wider tiers or tracks but it doesn't reduce the overall weight..

If the tank is 60tons it will be 60tons but that weight is distributed along the wide tracks where as Wheel is concentrated the weight at the place where it have ground contact..

Its all about the total weight..

 

[SPIEZ]

Yes, true abt the ground pressure which reduced by wider tiers or tracks but it doesn't reduce the overall weight..

If the tank is 60tons it will be 60tons but that weight is distributed along the wide tracks where as Wheel is concentrated the weight at the place where it have ground contact..

Its all about the total weight..

My bad, I thought that Indian highways could carry that weight.