Indian Air Force probe identifies Chinese helicopters that intruded Indian airspace in Uttarakhand

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Indian Air Force probe identifies Chinese helicopters that intruded Indian airspace in Uttarakhand
Firstpost • Jun 04, 2017 16:01 IST

Two helicopters of the People's Liberation Army of China hovered over Chamoli district in Uttarakhand on Saturday, triggering concern in India's security establishment about the fourth such incursion into Indian airspace since March this year.

Official sources said the choppers, which returned to the Chinese side after about five minutes, could have carried out aerial photography of Indian ground troops during what was possibly a reconnaissance mission.

The Indian Air Force (IAF) is probing the incident, an IAF source said.

The choppers were identified as the Zhiba series of attack helicopters.

On previous occasions, Chinese helicopters had entered 4.5 kilometres into Indian territory, an area that China claims as its own and recognises as Wu-Je.

State and army officials have been reviewing the security along the 350-kilometre border with Tibet after China's incursions into these areas, generally referred as the middle sector.

Barahoti is one of three border posts in the sector, comprising Uttar Pradesh, Himachal Pradesh and Uttarakhand, where ITBP jawans are not allowed to carry weapons and are in civilian clothes under a unilateral decision taken by the central government in June 2000.

In 1958, India and China listed Barahoti, an 80-sq-km sloping pasture, as a disputed area where neither side would send their troops. In the 1962 India-China war, the PLA did not enter the 545-km middle sector, focusing on the Western (Ladakh) and Eastern (Arunachal Pradesh) sectors.

However, after the 1962 war,the Indo-Tibetan Border Police Force (ITBP) jawans patrolled the area with weapons in a non-combative manner, under which the barrel of the gun is positioned downward.

During prolonged negotiations on resolving border disputes, the Indian side had unilaterally decided in June 2000 that ITBP troops would not be carrying arms to three posts — Barahoti, Kauril and Shipki in Himachal Pradesh.

Srikanth Kondapalli, professor in Chinese Studies at the Jawaharlal Nehru University, termed these transgression as "testing the nerves" of India and said, "After violating the Line of Actual Control in the Western and Eastern sectors, Chinese troops now seem to be focusing on the middle sector. It's a cause of worry for us".

The professor said after the June 2000 informal agreement, India did abide by all conditions under the assumption that China would yield on the western or eastern sectors.

"But that didn't happen. Today the PAPF (People's Armed Paramilitary Force) and PLA are enforcing China's claims there," he said.

Kondapalli referred to regional equations giving a China a boost. He recalled that Nepal and India had differences on the source of the Mahakali river and in the background of China's forays in Nepal as well as the latter joining the China-led One Belt One Road (OBOR) project, and said, "There have been some moves by the PLA to test us".

He said there had also been a concerted effort by the PLA to test India against the backdrop of the China Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), a collection of infrastructure projects.

"So the latest intrusion is to test our nerves," he said.

He even said China could deploy Unmanned Aerial Vehicles in this region in large numbers to monitor Indian territory.

"So the helicopter incident is a precursor,A recce mission," he said.

Security officials here felt that ahead of its transgression in the Barahoti area, the PLA could have conducted a reconnaissance mission using high class aircraft with Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR), which provides broad-area imaging at high resolutions.

The officials said the PLA's 'TupolovTu 153M' aircraft had carried out two or three reconnaissance missions last year in the middle sector.

They said there was a possibility that the same aircraft, designed by Chinese companies on the basis of technology obtained from the former Soviet Union, could have been used this year, too.

The aircraft flies at an altitude of above 40,000 feet and can go up to 60,000 feet to avoid detection by radars and can take photographs and cyber and communication signatures from that height.

SAR enables the taking of high-resolution pictures even in inclement weather or in the dark.

Source:http://www.firstpost.com/india/indi...dian-airspace-in-uttarakhand-3515967.html/amp
 

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Just a year ago similar transgressions happened in chamoli, Uttarakhand.Now we should change this failling peaceful policy towards chinnese. We should immediately take adequate steps to stop this aggressive chinnese!
 

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We've got them covered by our CARTOSAT series and RISAT Satellites with a resolution of 60cm every 90 minutes! We can even pick out a Chinese commie walking to the boggs! We don't need to trespass their airspace except during hostilities.

But next time if ever they enter our airspace, their flying tin cans should be brought down without much ado.
 

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Pm Modi tells in Russia that no single bullet fired between both sides in 40yrs, but what chinnese are doing is more serious than firing bullets.Same transgressions pigs can't even think to do. Modi talks about freedom of navigation in SCS, but keeps silence about chinnese aggresion in India:tsk:
 

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Reconnaissance is done by both sides. No point in getting worked up on every incident. However, if IAF is not conducting reconnaissance of chinese occupied side then that's a thing to worry about.
 

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Warn the Chinese on radio and next time lock the radars on the intruders using sams when they trespass or make our attack choppers airborne as a counter.

If this is the mischief china wants to do then surely they are in trouble from North Korea to Indian sub continent. Since most of the borders are already unstable.
 

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China denies violating Indian airspace in Uttarakhand, says patrols ...
China denies violating Indian airspace in Uttarakhand, says patrols 'regular'

Indian officials had claimed that two suspected Chinese helicopters were seen hovering over Barahoti, in Chamoli district of Uttarkhand last week


By Ananth Krishnan | June 5, 2017

China today denied that its helicopters had on Saturday entered Indian airspace in the border near Barahoti, Uttarakhand, and maintained that its patrols were "regular".

"The Chinese military carries out regular patrols in the relevant areas," Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying said. "We hope that the two sides will make joint efforts to maintain tranquility and peace in border areas".

Officials had said that "two suspected Chinese helicopters" had been seen hovering over Barahoti, in Chamoli district.

SEVERAL SUCH INCIDENTS IN THE PAST

Barahoti has in the past seen a number of what officials describe as "transgression" incidents.

In July last year, an on-the-ground transgression incident by PLA troops was reported. The then Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar played down that incident and attributed it to differing perceptions of the Line of Actual Control (LAC).

Barahoti is among around a dozen areas along the 3,488-km border where there are pronounced differences in perceptions of the LAC, with both sides patrolling up to their claim lines with the border not formally demarcated.

CHINA WELCOMES PM MODI'S REMARK

Speaking during a visit to Russia this weekend, Prime Minister Modi reiterated that although both sides had a border dispute, "in the last 40 years not a single bullet has been fired".

China on Monday welcomed the PM's remarks, saying it had "noted the positive remarks". "We have been stressing that as two major countries, China and India maintaining sound, steady and in depth growth of the bilateral relationship is of great significance," Hua Chunying, the Foreign Ministry spokesperson, added.

"Actually leaders of the two countries pay great attention to the boundary question. Each time they meet they exchange views on this issue. Both sides have agreed that an early resolution of the boundary question serves the interests of the both sides. It is also a strategic goal both sides are striving to achieve," Hua said
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Next time how about testing our direct energy weapons on chini junks plus we have advantage that they cant come to retrive their junks once they fall, plus we can improve our systems after live testing.
 

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The chinese are as usual saying faaak offf to our Air space violation ..Looks like these guys really want us to get provoked and do something stupid to pound us to oblivion ...:frusty::frusty:

It's Unacceptable, Says Sushma as China Defends Violation of Indian Air Space

New Delhi: China has defended the intrusion of Indian air space in Barahoti region of Uttarakhand's Chamoli district, saying India and China have a territorial dispute in the eastern section of the boundary and the Chinese military carry out regular patrolling in the relevant areas.

“In principle China and India have territorial disputes in the eastern section of the China-India border,” Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying told the media when asked its military helicopters violating Indian airspace on Saturday.

"The Chinese military carry out regular patrolling in the relevant areas. We hope that the two sides will make joint efforts to maintain tranquillity and peace in the border areas," Hua said.

Hitting back at China, External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj said it was “unacceptable”. “This is the first such air space violation. We can understand even ground incursion… it can be a mistake. But this is unacceptable. We will take it up with Beijing,” she said.

Two helicopters of the People's Liberation Army (PLA) of China hovered over Chamoli district on Saturday, triggering concern in India's security establishment about the PLA's fourth such incursion into Indian airspace since March this year, PTI reported.

Official sources said the choppers, which returned to the Chinese side after about five minutes, could have carried out aerial photography of Indian ground troops during what was possibly a reconnaissance mission.

The choppers were identified as the Zhiba series of attack helicopters.

The Indian Air Force (IAF) is investigating the incident.

On previous occasions, Chinese helicopters had entered 4.5 km into Indian territory, an area that China claims as its own and recognises as Wu-Je.

 

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Hitting back at China, External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj said it was “unacceptable”. “This is the first such air space violation. We can understand even ground incursion… it can be a mistake. But this is unacceptable. We will take it up with Beijing,” she said.
At least a message came from the GOI,but why no special conference isn't done by IAF/GOI?
chor ghar me ghusa aur bade bate bhi karta he par victim chup rehtahe!o_O
 

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No wonder PLA is intruding.They know we Indians are bunch of sissys talking peace and nonviolence.
It was this mentality that also gave birth to Pakistan.Screw all that.Shoot them down without warning if they intrude.
 

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With Sukhoi likely downed by a Cyber Attack and China entering Chamoli with attack helicopters. It appears that they are sending a clear message. Once the reason for SU crash are determined i an wondering what action will GOI take besides condemning the act of China.
 

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With Sukhoi likely downed by a Cyber Attack and China entering Chamoli with attack helicopters. It appears that they are sending a clear message. Once the reason for SU crash are determined i an wondering what action will GOI take besides condemning the act of China.
I don't believe in these chinni ppl downed our su30 theory.But the point is they are acting like a bully and we must do something!
 

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Pm Modi tells in Russia that no single bullet fired between both sides in 40yrs, but what chinnese are doing is more serious than firing bullets.Same transgressions pigs can't even think to do. Modi talks about freedom of navigation in SCS, but keeps silence about chinnese aggresion in India:tsk:
Not just Helicopters but also the Fighter Bombers of PLAAF !!



JH 7 hovered over Indian Airspace for more than 100 ~ minutes and then flew back unchallenged by IAF


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You know what happened with Indian Quadcopters that crossed the LoC on Paki side.


Both were shot down twice and paraded by ISPR or Pak media


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NETRA


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At least a message came from the GOI,but why no special conference isn't done by IAF/GOI?
chor ghar me ghusa aur bade bate bhi karta he par victim chup rehtahe!o_O
Pak UAV drone and and Aircraft violated Indian Airspace in successive years.


2015

2016

2017



None of them were shot down !!
 

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China denies violating Indian airspace in Uttarakhand, says patrols ...
China denies violating Indian airspace in Uttarakhand, says patrols 'regular'

Indian officials had claimed that two suspected Chinese helicopters were seen hovering over Barahoti, in Chamoli district of Uttarkhand last week


By Ananth Krishnan | June 5, 2017

China today denied that its helicopters had on Saturday entered Indian airspace in the border near Barahoti, Uttarakhand, and maintained that its patrols were "regular".

"The Chinese military carries out regular patrols in the relevant areas," Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying said. "We hope that the two sides will make joint efforts to maintain tranquility and peace in border areas".

Officials had said that "two suspected Chinese helicopters" had been seen hovering over Barahoti, in Chamoli district.

SEVERAL SUCH INCIDENTS IN THE PAST

Barahoti has in the past seen a number of what officials describe as "transgression" incidents.

In July last year, an on-the-ground transgression incident by PLA troops was reported. The then Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar played down that incident and attributed it to differing perceptions of the Line of Actual Control (LAC).

Barahoti is among around a dozen areas along the 3,488-km border where there are pronounced differences in perceptions of the LAC, with both sides patrolling up to their claim lines with the border not formally demarcated.

CHINA WELCOMES PM MODI'S REMARK

Speaking during a visit to Russia this weekend, Prime Minister Modi reiterated that although both sides had a border dispute, "in the last 40 years not a single bullet has been fired".

China on Monday welcomed the PM's remarks, saying it had "noted the positive remarks". "We have been stressing that as two major countries, China and India maintaining sound, steady and in depth growth of the bilateral relationship is of great significance," Hua Chunying, the Foreign Ministry spokesperson, added.

"Actually leaders of the two countries pay great attention to the boundary question. Each time they meet they exchange views on this issue. Both sides have agreed that an early resolution of the boundary question serves the interests of the both sides. It is also a strategic goal both sides are striving to achieve," Hua said
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Off course they will deny this.


Barahoti is claimed by China where they now intruding with Helis.


But for now .........
 

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Pak UAV drone and and Aircraft violated Indian Airspace in successive years.


2015

2016

2017



None of them were shot down !!
WHy they were not shot down. I believe apart fro Atlatique and Lama Helicopter in Siachen, India has not shot down anything Paki after 71. Though many Pigeons have been caught.
 

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WHy they were not shot down. I believe apart fro Atlatique and Lama Helicopter in Siachen, India has not shot down anything Paki after 71. Though many Pigeons have been caught.
No a Pak UAV was shot down @ Mendhar LoC in 2000 ~

They also shot down our Searcher 2 over Paki Punjab in 2002


They couldn't shot it down by their Air defense so they scramble the F 16



Shot down of Paki Atlanteque was a remarkable achievement though.

By R 60 "Aphid"


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