India US Relations

[no smoking]

Of course you would say that because you are not an Indian but a Chinese. My message was intended for Indian members who need to understand what needs to happen to guarantee India's security needs.

So, how to guarantee India's security needs? Imposing more military pressure on China to force her into the negotiation which will end up the settlement in India's term?
Well, that has a problem: you may attract Chinese attention away from her east and focus on you if she feel that she is facing a war threat from India side and she may lose the war.
The best result is that India wins the war but she has to put in more resource to prepare the next war because you know, next time, Chinese will come back with more guns, planes and missiles. After all, they have the money and industrial base.

So, you just guarantee West's security needs not India's.

 

[Blademaster]

So, how to guarantee India's security needs? Imposing more military pressure on China to force her into the negotiation which will end up the settlement in India's term?
Well, that has a problem: you may attract Chinese attention away from her east and focus on you if she feel that she is facing a war threat from India side and she may lose the war.
The best result is that India wins the war but she has to put in more resource to prepare the next war because you know, next time, Chinese will come back with more guns, planes and missiles. After all, they have the money and industrial base.

So, you just guarantee West's security needs not India's.

You sound like one of my opponents playing the game of Risk where you try to persuade me to not to ally with another opponent against you.

 

[no smoking]

You sound like one of my opponents playing the game of Risk where you try to persuade me to not to ally with another opponent against you.

No, I simply point out 3 things:
1. your opponent will not easily give in even if you put more pressure.
2. your opponent is not focusing on you for now and she is not going to focus on you in the foreseeable future.
3. My opponent is happy to see my focus is shift on you and but they may not ally with you in this situation.

 

[GaudaNaresh]

So, how to guarantee India's security needs? Imposing more military pressure on China to force her into the negotiation which will end up the settlement in India's term?
Well, that has a problem: you may attract Chinese attention away from her east and focus on you if she feel that she is facing a war threat from India side and she may lose the war.
The best result is that India wins the war but she has to put in more resource to prepare the next war because you know, next time, Chinese will come back with more guns, planes and missiles. After all, they have the money and industrial base.

So, you just guarantee West's security needs not India's.

First off, more guns,planes, missiles, etc. wont cut the mustard on tibet, where terrain concerns are the primary concern and your soldiers are nowhere as capable as ours, due to lack of combat exposure at high altitudes.

Secondly, we aren't stupid to try and open a front against China on our own. We will take the Pakistan approch: we will wait for your bigger concern ( USA) to attack you/get into a conflict with you and then while you are IN a conflict over Taiwan, we will go full balls to the wall on Tibet and retake our historic civilisational outpost that is also our buffer territory.

China can try 'next time' but 'next time' our missiles will be a lot closer to chinese population centres, so will our air force. So any future buildup, once we capture tibet, will be a better scenario for us than the current one.

 

[hurrians]

!"Following that, the President will have an opportunity to meet with His Holiness Pope Francis later this afternoon, or early evening. And there, I expect that some of the topics that they’ll have an opportunity to discuss will be largely similar. I would expect there will be a discussion of Ukraine where the Holy See has been actively engaged"

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As expected Indian and world lelis are silent.


.no shrill campaign on rising meddling of church in world affairs
.message soul harvesting of heathens will continue
.imagine leli anguish if Indian sadhus had addressed G20 held in India

 

[no smoking]

First off, more guns,planes, missiles, etc. wont cut the mustard on tibet, where terrain concerns are the primary concern and your soldiers are nowhere as capable as ours, due to lack of combat exposure at high altitudes.

Secondly, we aren't stupid to try and open a front against China on our own. We will take the Pakistan approch: we will wait for your bigger concern ( USA) to attack you/get into a conflict with you and then while you are IN a conflict over Taiwan, we will go full balls to the wall on Tibet and retake our historic civilisational outpost that is also our buffer territory.

China can try 'next time' but 'next time' our missiles will be a lot closer to chinese population centres, so will our air force. So any future buildup, once we capture tibet, will be a better scenario for us than the current one.

Great planning. Only one problem: If you are trying to capture Tibet, you will have all the geographic problems too, and even worse - you have to send massive logistic support over Himalayas, not for a small group of elite soldiers but at least dozens of divisions.

 

[Blademaster]

Great planning. Only one problem: If you are trying to capture Tibet, you will have all the geographic problems too, and even worse - you have to send massive logistic support over Himalayas, not for a small group of elite soldiers but at least dozens of divisions.

engaging in primitive psy ops warfare?

 

[GaudaNaresh]

Great planning. Only one problem: If you are trying to capture Tibet, you will have all the geographic problems too, and even worse - you have to send massive logistic support over Himalayas, not for a small group of elite soldiers but at least dozens of divisions.

We will have to hold Lhasa and a few other choke points and then basically connect 20-50km of road to the existing colonial chinese infrastructure in Tibet.
The logistics supply line from our heartland to Tibet frontier we will make is shorter than from Chinese heartland to indo-tibetan frontier. And if China is busy in a war elsewhere, we will have sufficient time to build the required connections and hold tibet, particularly since the local population will be more friendly to us than they are to the Chinese.

 

[AnantS]

Great planning. Only one problem: If you are trying to capture Tibet, you will have all the geographic problems too, and even worse - you have to send massive logistic support over Himalayas, not for a small group of elite soldiers but at least dozens of divisions.

Not to spoil the flow of the fantasy train.. but you do realize in India all soldiers get rotated and are routinely deployed to high altitude areas? Do you realize people who enter Tibet via airdrop will have already accimtalized in High Altitude areas in India as they not have already acclimatized as standard SOP (see how Kargil was fought) and IA shall try to link up with soldiers via land route. China using it's all missiles simply will make India use it's slightly less arsenal in numbers at your politico/military/economic/population centres too. The only advantage right now China has flay plains of Tibet at high altitude which allowed you to build infra at faster pace and what seems like have better logistical chain. In war - how it will translate let's see..

 

[Azaad]

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/nsas-doval-sullivan-talk-advanced-materials-and-tech-in-icet-dialogue-101718609377590.html

 

[Crazywithmath]

Saying the quiet part out loud, are we now?

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They will go back to their default rr mode if the BJP managees to do well in the upcoming assembly polls.

 

[Jimih]

The fascination for

 

[no smoking]

We will have to hold Lhasa and a few other choke points and then basically connect 20-50km of road to the existing colonial chinese infrastructure in Tibet.

Well, there is a problem: Every year, there are always several months, the transportation in border area will be blocked by snow. Certainly you can support a small group of soldiers by air-drop but for a dozens of divisions, it is impossible.

The logistics supply line from our heartland to Tibet frontier we will make is shorter than from Chinese heartland to indo-tibetan frontier.

When you start to match deeply into Tibet, you are moving far away from your heartland and you are shortening Chinese supply line.

And if China is busy in a war elsewhere, we will have sufficient time to build the required connections and hold tibet, particularly since the local population will be more friendly to us than they are to the Chinese.

Firstly, if India decides to capture Tibet, that will be a full scale war, India will have to prepare it for a very long time. Since it will includes massive forces deployment, economic adjustment and material accumulation, there is no way to hide that from Chinese eyes. If Chinese notice India's preparation, what will they do? Continuing their preparation of the war around Taiwan by ignoring you, or shift their focus to you?

Secondly, the local population may not like Chinese, but it is not necessary that they will be friendly towards Indians either. Today's Tibet is no longer the Tibet 70 years ago, it relies on the food, energy and resources supplied from the rest of China. Once Chinese withdraw, India has to fill the gap by supplying resource, equipment and technicians. That is not easy job for any country (it took Chinese 70 years to build such a system). If you can't satisfy their demand in very short of time, what will they do? It is just like Nazi army in 1941, they were welcomed by Ukraine people as liberator in the beginning, but soon became the hated target. Why? They simply couldn't re-organize the local social system after Soviet pull out. You may think you can rely on Dalai Lama, but come on, they already left there for 70 years.

 

[GaudaNaresh]

Well, there is a problem: Every year, there are always several months, the transportation in border area will be blocked by snow. Certainly you can support a small group of soldiers by air-drop but for a dozens of divisions, it is impossible.

Not an issue. We already have several regions along the border cut off during the winter. We have transport capability to support enough divisions to hold the regions of tibet we want to hold.

When you start to match deeply into Tibet, you are moving far away from your heartland and you are shortening Chinese supply line.

Which still wont be shorter than ours.

Firstly, if India decides to capture Tibet, that will be a full scale war, India will have to prepare it for a very long time. Since it will includes massive forces deployment, economic adjustment and material accumulation, there is no way to hide that from Chinese eyes. If Chinese notice India's preparation, what will they do? Continuing their preparation of the war around Taiwan by ignoring you, or shift their focus to you?

With Chinese force deployment and us matching them at the border, it wont require any further 'massive buildup'. We will simply wait till most of the Chinese troops are committed to fight taiwan and then we will march in.

Secondly, the local population may not like Chinese, but it is not necessary that they will be friendly towards Indians either. Today's Tibet is no longer the Tibet 70 years ago, it relies on the food, energy and resources supplied from the rest of China. Once Chinese withdraw, India has to fill the gap by supplying resource, equipment and technicians. That is not easy job for any country (it took Chinese 70 years to build such a system). If you can't satisfy their demand in very short of time, what will they do? It is just like Nazi army in 1941, they were welcomed by Ukraine people as liberator in the beginning, but soon became the hated target. Why? They simply couldn't re-organize the local social system after Soviet pull out. You may think you can rely on Dalai Lama, but come on, they already left there for 70 years.

The gap between India and China grows smaller every passing year with India's greater growth rate. If China waits 10-15 years to fight taiwan, we will be sitting then where China is sitting today in resources and development. so the resource supplied is not a problem and already India is a larger food exporter than China, so food isnt gonna be an issue either.

 

[mokoman]

at this rate , there will be court case , lot of publicity for so called indian assasination attempt

 

[Azaad]

The fascination for

Frankly I don't understand this tomfoolery . Is signing an agreement of this nature what NSAs are supposed to be doing & is this the reason Sullivan travelled all the way from the US to do ?

 

[hurrians]

Dawood a CIA asset - probably a hot air baloon



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DEA, CIA agents grill Pak gold trader on whereabouts of India's most wanted fugitive Dawood Ibrahim

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...if moodiji is pushed to a corner he may have no option but to return in kind
....out of blue suddenly a fantastic story of dawood being a CIA agent appears, he maybe maybe not, but moodiji must have data on some other CIA ops in India
....the power differential means that moodiji will silently take hits but after a certain threshold the Indian state will have no option but to reply in kind
.... ofcourse it's upto the US deep state to decide how far they want to take this and risk retaliation

 

[Azaad]

https://www.business-standard.com/india-news/pm-modi-meets-us-nsa-says-india-committed-to-boost-relations-with-us-124061700764_1.html

 

[ezsasa]

Just in: India, US release joint fact sheet after Critical and Emerging Technology initiative talks in Delhi

Key points
1. Significant Funding Commitments: $90 million for Global Challenges Institute focusing on technology.
2. NASA-ISRO Collaboration: Joint NASA-ISRO astronaut mission to International Space Station initiated.
3. Defense Space Technology: ISRO astronauts to receive advanced training at NASA facilities.
4. Telecommunications Advances: Open RAN Roadmap finalized for large-scale deployment in both countries.
5. Biotechnology Collaboration: Track 1.5 Biopharmaceutical Supply Chain Consortium launched for resilience.
6. Semiconductor Partnership: Strategic partnership for semiconductor design and manufacturing established.
7. Critical Minerals Partnership: India’s role in Mineral Security Partnership promoted and expanded.
8. Quantum and AI Cooperation: New quantum science initiatives and expanded AI research collaborations initiated.
9. Defense Industrial Cooperation: Progress on MQ-9B acquisition and co-production initiatives achieved.
10. Innovation Partnerships: Joint research projects and STEM partnerships deepened across strategic sectors

 

[Azaad]

The fascination for

I think this juxtaposition is apt. Underlines the schizophrenic & utterly transactional relationship between the 2 countries.