India Russia Relations

[sorcerer]

Oh yeah!!!! JV is here

Russian President Vladimir Putin to be offered 30 joint venture plans during his 4-day stay

NEW DELHI: In what could help ease the heartburn caused by the Russia-Pakistan military exercise, India is making a major Russia push by lining up as many as 30 collaboration proposals to be taken up at the Indo-Russian annual summit in Goa on Saturday. These projects will cover areas ranging from additional nuclear reactors and fifthgeneration fighter aircraft to satellite navigation and investment in the hydrocarbon sector.

Russian President Vladimir Putin will be in India from October 14 to 17, his longest stay here in recent times, to attend the 17th edition of the Indo-Russian summit and the 8th BRICS summit with a team that includes eight ministers.


Putin and Prime Minister Narendra Modi will release a joint document on global peace and stability besides a separate paper listing three dozen activities planned in 2017 to mark the 70th year of the establishment of diplomatic relations between the two countries.

The Goa meeting, said people familiar with Indo-Russian partnership, could lead to significant outcomes and big headlines.


Notwithstanding Russian argument of having minimum engagement with Pakistan to fight terror in the Eurasian region, Modi will express concern when he meets Putin over the military exercise in Cherat as India seeks to build a narrative against Pak-sponsored terror.

Delhi and Moscow will seek to expand their counter-terror partnership and sign cyber security pact in Goa, officials said. Both sides are also hoping to extend their collaboration in Afghanistan with Delhi seeking Moscow’s ..

Despite going ahead with the war games with Pakistan, Moscow has taken steps to back India’s position — it supported the surgical strikes on terrorists in Pakistan Occupied Kashmir, cancelled joint exercises in PoK and earlier virtually blamed Pakistan for the Uri terror attack.


Even as negotiations are still going on, the highlight of this edition of the Indo-Russian summit could be an agreement on the fifth and sixth reactors (1,000 MW each) for the Kudankulam Nuclear Power Project in Tamil Nadu. India is expected to announce a second site for Russian-built nuclear power plants comprising six reactors, likely in Andhra Pradesh, even as Russia plans to sell as many as 25 reactors to India. Some reports suggest that Modi and Putin could jointly dedicate the second unit at Kudankulam through videoconferencing from Goa.

India views Russia as a hard power which could assist it in key strategic sectors. Besides nuclear energy, a number of defencerelated pacts are in the pipeline as Moscow hopes to continue as India’s preeminent defence supplier.

Besides agreements for fifth-generation fighter jets and Kamov helicopters (to be produced in India), the two sides could agree to modify the jointly developed Brahmos supersonic missiles, besides building frigates for the Indian Navy and supply an air defence system. Russia will also be urged to continue supply of ammunition for the Indian Army.

Read more at:
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

 

[Razor]

Russia's complete embrace of China, and flirting with Pakistan after being coaxed by China, was the primary reason India tilted towards US. I see time coming in near future where India/Russia will more openly disagree with Russia/India on policy matters. I do not know how longer these two countries (India -Russia) will support each other.

Few Pointers:
a) For the first time in decades US showed tilt towards Indian POV in Kashmir. I mean it is surprise to all those who grew up hearing sermons from George Bush Senior to Obama - part 1.
b) If you check state backed Russian Media, there is growing negative reports about India, most of them which are poor reminiscent of from typical BBC/DailyFail hate farticles..
c) Sly warning by Indian ambassador to Russia, just before visit, means something is definitely not right in Indo-Russian relations

All in all, I think Russia has formally decided to become a alliance partner with China. And in long run, Russia must have calculated how to compensate loss of India as a major defense customer,. North Korea, Pakistan(China funded), More Chinese purchases are the few alternatives I can think of. However I dont think China can support both NK and Pakistan financially.

And as @gadeshi mentioned, if its really about Russia operating out of base from Pakistan(presumably jointly along with China), then I see India and Russia getting more distant in near future

Let's go back a little bit.

China has been a "friend" of Pakistan for a while now.
Recently friendly Uncle Sam discovered that suddenly pakistan likes china more than USA.
USA is upset and thinking.
Meanwhile russia is rising.

**idea**
Trouble in Ukraine, thanks to $5B invested by Amerika in Ukraine for regime change operation, excuse me, upholding democraxy.

Whole of europe (aka puppets) pretend to be upset at russia and coz problems for russian economy. Russia starts to tilt East to China.

If you notice the talks of Putin say 10-15 years back you may note that integrating russia into europe is on putin's agenda. But the US can not allow this because such a monstrosity (a europe from Lisbon to Vladivostok) would be very difficult for USA to manage. Infact in those days he talked of countering China, Jap etc in Russian Far East.

Also it is disingenuous comment that "Russia's complete embrace of China,....... was the primary reason India tilted towards US"
It is no secret that BJP has a pro-US stance. India's tilt to the US came first, though mostly just feelers. But hey no one can complaint, india and russia aren't married or anything. Then the UKR move and Russia's tilt to China and pakistan, which lead India to fully tilt to USA.

Negativity on India issues in Russian media naturally follows. This was of course not there before, in fact russian media showed pakistan in negative light earlier, if it ever did.

If things unfold in the same direction then yeah russia and india will be on the opposite sides, though they will still exchange pleasantries and stuff.

Why is the US befriending India? Your opinion?
To contain PRC, how? Over the himalayas?
To contain PRC they have a whole array of options in the Chinese East.
So why india? To contain China through the Western outlet of China ie Pakistan and of course the defence deals are not going to hurt.

 

[sorcerer]

India close to spending $6bn in acquiring Five S-400 Missile Defence Systems


http://www.defencenews.in/article/I...iring-Five-S-400-Missile-Defence-Systems-8686

 

[Akshay_Fenix]

India close to spending $6bn in acquiring Five S-400 Missile Defence Systems


http://www.defencenews.in/article/I...iring-Five-S-400-Missile-Defence-Systems-8686

Borrowed your pic

 

[sorcerer]

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Good!! OH yeah!!!!!!!
The pakis think that chinese pakistan Russia nexus..
Its Russia..the very nation that doesnt give a crap to nonsense like pakistan. Russia is starting to look east and the asshole nation pakistan in one nation in the east..

Major points for Russia look east policy is the backdoor talks with Japan..
The JV projects with India.. and India will be pitching Russia with Srilanka..Vietnam..Afghanistan and opening deals for them..
So yes..Its a shift which is beneficial to Russia and it has no relation with what USA does in the region.

BUT
pakis have a way of thinking that everything revolves around them. Idiots...and Its a sure sign that pakis will collapse sooner than expected.

 

[Prashant12]

India, Russia to sign Rs 39,000 cr deal for S-400 air defence missile systems

NEW DELHI: In a game-changing arms acquisition, India is going to ink a Rs 39,000 crore deal for five new-generation Russian S-400 Triumf air defence missile systems, which can destroy incoming hostile aircraft, stealth fighters, missiles and drones at ranges of up to 400-km.

India and Russia will also finalise the long-awaited agreement for the joint production of around 200 Kamov 226T light utility helicopters at a cost of about $1 billion under the "Make in India" programme.

With Russian President Vladmir Putin headed for India to attend the BRICS Summit in Goa, the S-400 deal as well as the joint venture for helicopters to be established between defence PSU Hindustan Aeronautics and Russian Rostec State Corporation will be inked over the weekend.

TOI was the first to be report in October 2015 that India had decided to purchase the S-400 systems, which basically have three kinds of missiles, with different capabilities, that can fly at supersonic and hypersonic speeds to intercept all kinds of targets at ranges from 120 to 400-km. Russian experts even proclaim the S-400 surface-to-air missile (SAM) system can "radar lock and shoot down" stealth fifth-generation fighters like the American F-35 jets.

This procurement comes over an year after China sealed a $3 billion deal with Russia for acquisition of six S-400 batteries. China is slated to get the S-400 batteries, which is designated `SA-21 Growler' by NATO and rivals the anti-ballistic missile capabilities of the US Patriot PAC-3 system, from 2017 onwards.

As for the Kamov helicopters, which will replace the aging and obsolete Cheetah and Chetak fleets of the armed forces, the deal will be signed between defence PSU Hindustan Aeronautics and Russian Rostec State Corporation. HAL and Rostec will form a joint venture to set up the production facilities to execute the deal.
As was reported by TOI last month, the decks had been cleared for the helicopter deal after a flurry of high-level meetings between the two countries. After a pronounced tilt towards the US in terms of defence deals and military-to-military ties over the last decade, India has reassured Russia that their traditional strategic partnership and defence projects will continue as before.

Negotiations for other mega defence projects with Russia like the joint development of the futuristic fifth generation fighter aircraft (FGFA) and the $1.5 billion lease of a second nuclear-powered submarine are also on track now.
Soon after it had come to office in 2014, the NDA government had scrapped the long-pending acquisition of 197 light-utility helicopters from abroad, the selection process for which has been dogged by corruption allegations and technical deviations.

The armed forces have waited a long time for new helicopters to replace their Cheetah/Chetak helicopters, which are even used even in high-altitude areas like Siachen. In all, the Army and IAF need 384 light-utility helicopters. HAL, which was tasked to manufacture 187 similar helicopters in 2009, too, is yet to deliver.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ence-missile-systems/articleshow/54838402.cms

 

[SANITY]

Russia, India share need to rebuild Afghanistan: Vladimir Putin

MOSCOW: President Vladimir Putin on Thursday said India and Russia were both interested in deepening "constructive multilateral cooperation" to help rebuild war-torn Afghanistan where decisive action was needed to defeat terrorism.

In an interview with IANS and Sputnik news agencies, Putin said Afghanistan was of concern as the "situation on the territory between India and Russia remains tense".

"The developments in Afghanistan still raise concern. Decisive actions are required to help that country in dealing with such challenges and threats as terrorism, extremism, and illicit drug trafficking," Putin said.

"Russia and India share the need to support national reconciliation efforts under international law and are interested in deepening constructive multilateral cooperation for the purposes of assisting Afghanistan in solving the issues of national security, building counter-narcotics capacity, ensuring social and economic development, and enhancing interconnectivity," Putin said.

He said his country was willing to develop such formats of interaction that would "allow responding swiftly to emerging security challenges, jointly seeking for ways to address potential threats".

He said the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) had "the major role in it" as the Eurasian political, economic and security bloc was constantly expanding its geography with India and Pakistan joining the grouping this year.

"The SCO is stepping up its efforts aimed at building trust, strengthening genuinely collective efforts in the area of crisis response, and developing multifaceted cooperation."

He said Russia was actively promoting such projects to create a common economic space in Eurasia and resolve differences.

"Such 'integration of integrations' based on the principles of transparency and taking into account the interests of all national economies will allow integrating the region into common development and will strengthen its stability."

 

[sorcerer]

Stealth Frigates, Missiles among big-ticket Defence Deals with Russia


India and Russia are expected to ink defence deals worth billions of dollars during the meeting in Goa on Saturday between Prime Minister Narendra Modi and President Vladimir Putin, on the sidelines of the BRICS summit. They include the procurement from Russia of four stealth frigates and five units of the S-400 anti-aircraft system, and the announcement of a joint venture for the manufacture of 200 Kamov-226T helicopters in India.

https://in.rbth.com/economics/coope...-to-start-joint-production-of-aircraft_638487

 

[sorcerer]

Russia, India to start joint production of aircraft


The Minister said Russia was ready to participate in the project to build an Indian civilian aircraft. He said the Indian company Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) has sent a formal request to Moscow to study the possibility of production of an Indian civil aircraft.

https://in.rbth.com/economics/coope...-to-start-joint-production-of-aircraft_638487

 

[airtel]

How India can Buy Russian Oil ? we dont share Borders so how it is possible ? India- Russia oil/gas Pipeline is possible ??

 

[Bahamut]

How India can Buy Russian Oil ? we dont share Borders so how it is possible ? India- Russia oil/gas Pipeline is possible ??

It comes from oil/gas tanker ............................

 

[IndianHawk]

How India can Buy Russian Oil ? we dont share Borders so how it is possible ? India- Russia oil/gas Pipeline is possible ??

Tankers mate , tankers.big Russian tankers

 

[IndianHawk]

Let's go back a little bit.

China has been a "friend" of Pakistan for a while now.
Recently friendly Uncle Sam discovered that suddenly pakistan likes china more than USA.
USA is upset and thinking.
Meanwhile russia is rising.

**idea**
Trouble in Ukraine, thanks to $5B invested by Amerika in Ukraine for regime change operation, excuse me, upholding democraxy.

Whole of europe (aka puppets) pretend to be upset at russia and coz problems for russian economy. Russia starts to tilt East to China.

If you notice the talks of Putin say 10-15 years back you may note that integrating russia into europe is on putin's agenda. But the US can not allow this because such a monstrosity (a europe from Lisbon to Vladivostok) would be very difficult for USA to manage. Infact in those days he talked of countering China, Jap etc in Russian Far East.

Also it is disingenuous comment that "Russia's complete embrace of China,....... was the primary reason India tilted towards US"
It is no secret that BJP has a pro-US stance. India's tilt to the US came first, though mostly just feelers. But hey no one can complaint, india and russia aren't married or anything. Then the UKR move and Russia's tilt to China and pakistan, which lead India to fully tilt to USA.

Negativity on India issues in Russian media naturally follows. This was of course not there before, in fact russian media showed pakistan in negative light earlier, if it ever did.

If things unfold in the same direction then yeah russia and india will be on the opposite sides, though they will still exchange pleasantries and stuff.

Why is the US befriending India? Your opinion?
To contain PRC, how? Over the himalayas?
To contain PRC they have a whole array of options in the Chinese East.
So why india? To contain China through the Western outlet of China ie Pakistan and of course the defence deals are not going to hurt.

India is tilting towards USA because of china it has nothing to do with Russia .

USA offers an insurance policy sort of thing. It lends India a global weight as well as regional might.

Russian influence upon china has turned into dependance. Russia can't go against china even if it wants too. Couple this with the fact that a growing Indian economy will propel India into league of big 3 (US China and India) . Russia will be left far behind.

India and USA if stand together can effectively wean Chinese influence over Asian . And even south Asia.

And yes India can contain china. Indias growing military might and advanced technology (nukes, missiles aircraft and carriers) will force China to do contingency planning to face a serious indian threat that means less resources for Pacific and SCS .

Most important agenda is actually to stop china from being overconfident and going on overdrive.
A little nervousness in Chinese military planning is a great advantage for global peace

 

[Bahamut]

Goa summit: Will Modi convince Putin to correct course on Pakistan?
October 14, 2016 GLEB FEDOROV, RBTH
One of the biggest intrigues of the 17th annual Russia-India Summit, which will be held before the BRICS meetings in Goa this weekend, is whether Narendra Modi will make it crystal clear to Vladimir Putin that New Delhi has very serious concerns over Moscow’s growing military ties with Islamabad. India is also against Russia supplying arms to its neighbor. Experts say New Delhi needs to activate a pro-Indian lobby in Russia's military industrial complex and nuclear industry.
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Russian President Vladimir Putin shakes hands with Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi, June 24, 2016. Source: Reuters

The 17th annual Russia-India Bilateral Summit will be held in the western Indian state of Goa this weekend, just ahead of the BRICS Summit. Russian experts told RBTH that during private discussions between Russian President Vladimir Putin and Indian Prime Minster Narendra Modi, the latter is likely to express his displeasure over Moscow’s growing proximity to Islamabad.

The unpleasantness was triggered by the first ever Russia-Pakistan military drills, which were held just a week after an attack by Pakistan-based militants on an Indian Army base in the town of Uri in the Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir.

According to Sergei Lunev from the Moscow State Institute of International Relations (MGIMO) and Petr Topychkanov from Carnegie Moscow , New Delhi could accept Russia-Pakistan small scale anti-terrorist drills in the future if Moscow did not supply more weapons to Islamabad, or if drills were on a scale limited only to anti-terrorism activities.




5 reasons why Russia's pivot to Asia is more serious than you thought


According to Topychkanov, Moscow’s defense cooperation with Islamabad is the result of strong lobbying by Russia's Defense Ministry and a group in the Foreign Ministry, while the pro-Indian lobby is mainly concentrated in Russia's military industrial complex and nuclear industry.

Topychkanov says the Goa summit “is the only chance in the foreseeable future for the Indian side to convey its concerns to Putin, because he is the only person in Russia, who has power to correct Moscow's policy in South Asia.”

The final result, experts say, also depends on whether India will be effective enough to activate the pro-Indian lobby in Russia. They add that in order to predict the Goa summit's outcomes, one needs to understand, whether the Russia-Pakistan drills were part of a long-term plan or a mistake.

Strategy or mistake
This 16-day-long "Friendship-2016" drills were held at a special forces academy at Cherat, in the mountainous Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa province and included 70 personnel from Russia’s Special Forces 34th brigade, which operates in mountainous regions, and Pakistan's special forces. Drills were aimed at sharing experience in fighting terrorists in remote areas and included only small arms.

Boris Volkhonsky from the Russian Institute for Strategic Studies (RISS) told RBTH, that drills were part of a big anti-terrorism strategy, because “Pakistan is a country, which is very important for regional stability.”

He added, “This is one of the countries, which has leverage in Afghanistan. Afghanistan, in its turn, is a key to Central Asia. Which is why anti-terrorist drills were a positive step in bilateral ties.”

Lunev has a different opinion when it comes to the drills. “Moscow is unhappy about growing India-U.S. cooperation, including in defense, and shows its discontent by developing ties with Islamabad,” he said. Lunev thinks, that this policy could be successful and lure India back to Russia.




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Topychkanov, however, believes that the drills had minor technical advantages, and that it was a big strategic mistake to go ahead with them. “Showcasing Russian military equipment and learning from the experience of the Pakistan special forces were the only advantages Russia got from them, but all this is not so important in the bigger political game.”

Topychkanov added that he sees at least three disadvantages. “First of all, ties with India have been affected. Second, the drills demonstrated to the outside audience, that there is no unity in major decision making in Russia's foreign policy. And third, Russia now will find it much harder to get what it wants from Pakistan (more intelligence data about terrorist groups), because Pakistan saw how easy it was to get full scale military cooperation with Russia.”

A course correction seems unlikely at the moment, as Sergei Shoigu, who in 2014 became the first Russian Defense Minister to visit Pakistan since 1969, recently gave the go-ahead for the “Friendship-2017” drills.

 

[spikey360]

It is alarming when the Indian ambassador to Russia has to say India is not "pleased" due to the growing Russo-Pak military relationship.
It is definitely NOT business as usual with Russia.

The CTOp couldn't have come at a better time. Smack in the face of Russia when their forces were camping on Paki soil. Russia had egg all over their face. So much so, that Kadakin went out of his way to release statements to please us. Good! Customers are God. Time Russia understands the reality.
Even though am a supporter of Russia, none can deny that Russia Pakistan cooperation was a humiliation. And Russia had to pay for it.
Fall in line.
Long live India-Russia brotherhood

 

[here2where]

Russia knows it is heavily dependent on oil/gas revenues, and there is nothing much coming from those taps nowadays. They can ill afford to lose a repeat captive customer like India for its armaments.

Wonder what Putin's KGB mind is planning for the Porkis though. He is clearly touching them from the farthest end of a 10 foot pole. He is not the one to forget the Afghan humiliation bought to them by the Porkis.

"Only fools fight, the wise supply them with the means to do so - at a profit, naturally" - 'Cry Wolf' by Wilbur Smith.
Putin would want to be the wise one here.

 

[spikey360]

A course correction seems unlikely at the moment, as Sergei Shoigu, who in 2014 became the first Russian Defense Minister to visit Pakistan since 1969, recently gave the go-ahead for the “Friendship-2017” drills.

We want Shoigu's head. He should be shipped off to some other ministry. Friendship 2017 was one of the biggest mistakes Putin has made in a long time. The last time he made such a big mistake was in Libya, accepting a NATO no-fly zone. We all know how catastrophic it turned out to be for Libya and the anti NATO countries. Russian influence in ME dropped to rock bottom. So Syria was a last ditch effort. Thankfully Syria was a success, bigger than expected.
Anyway, the point is - Russia and India are beyond friends. I do not know if any two other countries were so friendly and accepting of with each other than Brits-US. The world needs such friends, such brotherhoods. Russians/Kievan Rus have roots going back thousands of years. Bharat has roots stretching back five thousand years. Such old civilisations should only come closer and not drift apart.
Hope VV sees his mistake and mends his way. Otherwise it would be a big victory for The Great Satan USA if we drift apart.

 

[gadeshi]

How India can Buy Russian Oil ? we dont share Borders so how it is possible ? India- Russia oil/gas Pipeline is possible ??

Through Chinese territory making Indo-China love not war

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[gadeshi]

India is tilting towards USA because of china it has nothing to do with Russia .

USA offers an insurance policy sort of thing. It lends India a global weight as well as regional might.

Russian influence upon china has turned into dependance. Russia can't go against china even if it wants too. Couple this with the fact that a growing Indian economy will propel India into league of big 3 (US China and India) . Russia will be left far behind.

India and USA if stand together can effectively wean Chinese influence over Asian . And even south Asia.

And yes India can contain china. Indias growing military might and advanced technology (nukes, missiles aircraft and carriers) will force China to do contingency planning to face a serious indian threat that means less resources for Pacific and SCS .

Most important agenda is actually to stop china from being overconfident and going on overdrive.
A little nervousness in Chinese military planning is a great advantage for global peace

USA don't want friends and allies.
They want vassals and slaves.
So be careful with such "friends".

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[IndianHawk]

USA don't want friends and allies.
They want vassals and slaves.
So be careful with such "friends".

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We are not making them 'friends'. We are using them just as they are using us. It's called hedging :biggrin2:
You can observe we got nsg waiver from them and it's Russia that's building plants after plants