India-Pakistan LoC/IB Skirmishes in the Aftermath of August 5 2019

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There are a few more sentences from Lindsay graham prior to this clip, he thinks Pakistan is a democracy.

Infact he asked an interesting question. According to him other than India & Pakistan, no other democracies go to war with each other. I am assuming he doesn’t consider Russia, Syria & Iran as democracies.

Nevertheless it’s a good point to ponder upon, what two democracies you know of that went to war with each other? (Others can also contribute).
Lots of Countries go to war with each other over many years. Lindsay Graham is a DumbAss Retard if he thinks “democratic” countries don’t go to war. His own home country US is the biggest example of war monger in the world. US claims to be a democratic state and peaceful but has over 134 Wars in its history over 4 Centuries. There are different types of Democracies in the world. American vision of democracy is totally different from some other countries. PorkiShitan is a Pisslamic Jihadi Sharia State not a democracy.
 

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India should.. but only as part of UN mission, or perhaps NATO mission (but considering Trump heads NATO, it would be a bad idea)... Otherwise, we would have problems... Consider, a scenario, where a dozen Indian peacekeepers part of UN mission are killed, and India finds evidence of Pakistani involvement.. To exact its revenge, India openly retaliate against Pakistan from the Indian side of the border, and other nations would not oppose this action... but, if we go there alone, all nations including US might conspire to make India fail..
Lol do you think the PorkiShitani dogs will allow a UN Peacekeeping Mission near to there border headed by India or some other country but India is still part of it? They, Vagchina and there Allies will try everything In there power to veto this bill.

We found this evidence shit each and every time after every fucking Terrorist attack but UN doesn’t or will not take actions against PorkiShitan. Going to the UN is a shitty and stupid idea. They will never stand up for the Rights of Hindus or Grievances of India. We should have never have went to fucking UN in the first place during 1947 War. DumbAss idiot Nehru Ruined our chances of getting full control of Kashmir and getting a peace deal under our terms.

I still think we should deploy Special Forces and RAW Units for missions against PorkiShitani Terrorist Groups and there leadership and Advisory role to Afghan Army and there SF or Personal from the Indian Air Force for Air support missions or Medical evacuations Missions to support Afghan Forces. Again all done in Secrecy. If Afghan Government falls to Taliban or ISIS Kashmir will be harder to control and will go back to the 1980s/1990s day but even worser than that time.
 
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This is the most important it will become another 1989 scenario when rajiv govt lost the election after the IPKF disaster , imagine rajiv had all the media on his side , Modi forget body bag even injury will be made into a death and he will be having his IPKF moment .

Better fuck the porki pigs from our side of LOC . Don't think uzbek Tajik and Afghan fighters will get into LOC so easily , Especially with Apache now in our inventory we can drop some hellfire on their camps in Pok easily .

Absolute no no to afghan adventure.

3.Opposition will tear modi apart once coffins start to arrive.No public support.

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Why all this hyperbole ?

No need of ground troops

SAG already operating all these years without any fuss and without anybody being wise to it .

What we need to send is limited no of military and intelligence advisors , around 100 or so

And certain low footprint military equipments in support of intelligence gathering , all stand off systems eg SIGINT COMINT etc

Rest the Afghans will handle as usual.

Also sell weapons to Afghans which gives them leverage against porkistan

And jobs done.

What a few experienced people with clear cut objectives can do , a entire division will fail in the same.

Main motivation should not be to fight Taliban but to infiltrate it and split it into rival factions or to put it into a situation where it goes against porkistan and becomes friendlier to Afghan civilian government.

Anyways
There is no incentive for the common infantry to die for another country .

But for Mavericks motivation for any mission is never a shortcoming
 
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Why all this hyperbole ?


What a few experienced people with clear cut objectives can do , a entire division will fail in the same.

Main motivation should not be to fight Taliban but to infiltrate it and split it into rival factions or to put it into a situation where it goes against porkistan and becomes friendlier to Afghan civilian government.
That is the need of the hour and I suppose we are already at it in different formats inside Afghan!
 

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PorkiShitani Terrorist Groups are now acquiring US made Weapons, gear and Jihadi and Bomb Training from Taliban’s Elite Shock Troops called the Taliban Red Unit Force which does Raids, IED and VBIED attacks against Americans, NATO and Afghan Forces. The Weapons Originally belong to Afghan Army and Paramilitary Soldiers which were captured by the Taliban during many of the fighting or raids or from Defected or Surrendered Afghan soldiers. JeM and LeT both have Ideological and brotherly relations with the Afghan Taliban and has helped them in many occasions against American and Afghan Forces. They are all enemies of the TTP or Pakistani Taliban.
 
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WHAT IS THE TALIBAN'S 'RED UNIT'? JIHADI SPECIAL FORCES ARE USING RUSSIAN, U.S. TECH FOR ATTACKS
BY JACK MOORE ON 12/1/17 AT 8:58 AM EST



Fighters with Afghanistan's Taliban
militia stand with their weapons in Ahmad Aba district on the outskirts of Gardez, the capital of Paktia province, on July 18.
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It was called the "Caravan of Heroes." The video opens with the silhouettes of commandos—guns cocked—appearing over a hill, a sunrise in the background. They could have been American or British special forces, but they were from another group: the Taliban.

The fighters, dressed in black camo slacks, are shown ambushing a checkpoint using military-style tactics and automatic weapons.

It appeared to mimic U.S. special forces and is the result of the Taliban creating their own elite division, one acknowledged by Afghan officials: the "Red Unit."


The unit cannot be compared to Britain's elite SAS or American Marines, but officials have reported that there are as many as 300 fighters involved in what is known in Pashto as the Sara Khitta, and they have proved effective.

Deep in Helmand province, a hub of the militant group's yearslong insurgency against Afghan and Western forces, the Taliban's elite fighters have been conducting surprise attacks against Afghan forces using what officials say are Russian-made night-vision goggles.

Earlier this month, Taliban militants killed eight Afghan police officers by using the goggles to sneak up on them as they slept in their beds in the village of Pule Regi, located near the Afghan city of Farah.


"Night-vision equipment is used in ambushes by the insurgents, and it is very effective," Major General Dawlat Waziri, the spokesman for the Afghan Defense Ministry, told The New York Times. "You can see your enemy, but they cannot see you coming."

Afghan officials said that the goggles may have been purchased on the black market in neighboring Pakistan, where the Afghan Taliban has links with its Tehreek-e-Taliban counterparts. They also could have been captured from killed Afghan soldiers on the battlefield.

The Pentagon and NATO's Resolute Support Mission had not responded to a request for comment.


The group has also promoted the unit elsewhere in the country, publishing images of its soldiers in the eastern province of Laghman, and initially being deployed to the province of Sangin.

In 2015, it released images of its fighters taking part in physical exercises and weapons training, in what appeared to be drills specifically created for an elite unit.

An Afghan special forces commander told Reutersin August 2016 that the unit now has "advanced weaponry, including night vision scopes, 82 mm rockets, heavy machine guns and U.S.-made assault rifles." So the unit appears to be using technology cultivated by two of its main historical rivals in Washington and Moscow.


But it is not only launching attacks against Afghan forces. It is also taking on its main radical Islamist rival in the country, the Islamic State militant group.

The Taliban have long been the predominant militant group in Afghanistan, but their leadership of jihad in the country has been severely challenged by ISIS in recent years. The ISIS ranks in Afghanistan are not only filled with Afghans and locals, but foreign fighters, jihadis who are changing the landscape of the Afghan battlefield.



A Canadian soldier uses his night-vision goggles during a patrol in the Panjwai district of Kandahar province in southern Afghanistan on June 13, 2011. The Taliban are now using night-vision technology to launch attacks in the dark of night.
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The militant group has established an affiliate on the Afghan-Pakistan border known as the Khorasan Province. It is a reference to an ancient region set along the modern Afghan-Pakistan border. It is one of more than a dozen affiliate branches of ISIS around the world. Its main presence in Afghanistan is in the eastern province of Nangahar.

The development of a Taliban special forces unit appears to be not only directed at improved combat skills for use against Kabul, but ISIS too. The growing infighting between the jihadi groups in the country has given rise to defections, betrayals and executions of their own fighters.

Six months ago, senior Taliban leader Qari Hemkat switched sides to ISIS, raising the group's black flag in two districts of Jawzjan province. His followers started to enslave women and even created a bomb-making school for children. ISIS has also claimed more than a dozen bombings in Afghanistan this year, including large-scale attacks in Kabul that have left scores dead.

It remains unclear how close the ties between ISIS-affiliated jihadis in Afghanistan and its leadership in Syria and Iraq are, but the Taliban are anxious that they are being challenged by a more brutal and potentially attractive militant group for its fighters and possible Afghan recruits.

So Afghan security services are facing multiple challenges after the withdrawal of the majority of Western forces from the country in 2015 following years of assistance in its battle against a Taliban insurgency since 2001.

With the onset of the Taliban's elite fighting force, and an ever-growing ISIS presence in the country, President Donald Trump's decision to expand the American troop presence to 14,000 in the hotbed of jihadism is a welcome one for Kabul.
 
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Taliban ‘Red Unit’ With Night Vision Kills Dozens of Afghan Officers





A police checkpoint in Kandahar, Afghanistan, on Tuesday. Security was intensified after a series of coordinated attacks against Afghan police officers.Credit...Muhammad Sadiq/European Pressphoto Agency
By Taimoor Shah and Rod Nordland
Nov. 14, 2017

KANDAHAR, Afghanistan — The newest additions to the Afghan battlefield are fighters sporting Star Wars-like headgear containing Russian-built night goggles, American-made M-4 automatic rifles with laser pointers, and bulky telescopic sights made in Iran or Pakistan.

They wear baggy shalwar kameez clothing and turbans — and fight for the Taliban.

Members of an elite outfit called the Red Unit, they may even ride into battle aboard a Ford Ranger police pickup truck or an armored army Humvee.

The red dots from their laser pointers shine on police officers and soldiers from the Afghan government, which has benefited from billions of dollars in Western aid to the Afghan security forces.

In five nighttime attacks in a 36-hour period on Monday and Tuesday, fighters who appeared to be from such Taliban units killed scores of Afghan security personnel, mostly police officers, in two provinces in southern and western Afghanistan.


The Afghan authorities said that the insurgents in these and similar recent attacks were proving to be better equipped than government forces, particularly those in police units, which have suffered most of the casualties.

The Red Unit has carried out many of these attacks, Afghan officials said, often using stolen military or police vehicles as Trojan horses to get close to bases they plan to attack.

“The Taliban now are using different tactics,” said Qudratullah Khushbakht, spokesman for the governor of Kandahar Province. “They have their own mobile special forces unit which is equipped with lasers and night-vision gear, and they are attacking check posts and bases and then leaving the area as quickly as possible to avoid airstrikes.”


That was the case in attacks into the early hours of Tuesday in two districts in Kandahar Province, in which Mr. Khushbakht said 23 police officers were killed and 16 injured in rolling attacks on 15 police posts. Other officials, however, put the death toll in those episodes in the Zahre and Maiwand districts at 70 officers.

Mr. Khushbakht said that attacks began when insurgents drove a stolen police Ford Ranger pickup truck into a police post and detonated explosives, then moved on to attack nearby bases.

Similar tactics were described in a Taliban attack early Monday morning in the western province of Farah, in which eight police officers were killed. The Taliban fighters used night-vision goggles, officials said.

Two Taliban units attacked other targets in Farah on Monday night and Tuesday morning, killing three police officers at one post and 15 Afghan National Army soldiers at another, according to government officials.

In the Kandahar attacks, none of the police posts were captured and the police inflicted heavy casualties on the Taliban, said Matiullah Hellal, a spokesman for the police in Kandahar Province.

A Taliban spokesman, Zabihullah Mujahid, contended in a telephone interview that the insurgents had lost only one fighter.

“In face-to-face fighting the number of our casualties is very low,” he said, “because the mujahedeen are only doing face-to-face fighting with the enemy when they are stronger than the enemy.”

A police official in the area, speaking on the condition of anonymity because his account contradicted the official version, confirmed that losses by the Afghan police were far worse than announced, with five police commanders among 70 dead officers and many of the police posts completely overrun by the insurgents.

When police reinforcements were sent to the aid of those posts, the official said, “the Taliban were using night-vision goggles and the police who were sent were shot by laser-guided weapons against which they could not defend themselves. The police have no night-vision goggles at all.”


The official’s account was corroborated by several other police figures, who also declined to comment on the record.

Mr. Hellal, the spokesman for the Kandahar police, said that officers at only a quarter of the police posts in Kandahar had laser sights on their weapons, and that none had night-vision goggles.

“Night-vision equipment is used in ambushes by the insurgents and it is very effective,” said Maj. Gen. Dawlat Waziri, a spokesman for the Defense Ministry. “You can see your enemy, but they cannot see you coming.”

Just where the Taliban are obtaining their expensive new equipment is the subject of dispute. Mr. Mujahid claimed they had seized it from government units they defeated. But Afghan officials say that only their elite units use night vision and laser gear, all American-made, and not Russian, Iranian or Pakistani equipment, which is what the Taliban have been using.

One telescopic night-vision scope for the M-4 rifle, for instance, sells for $5,000 on the black market in Pakistan. Flush with cash from its domination of the opium trade, the Taliban may simply be buying them. While many Afghan units have the M-4, few of them have telescopic sights for it.

American military officials say they suspect both Russia and Iran are aiding the Taliban, in addition to the group’s traditional patrons in Pakistan. During a visit in September to Kabul, the American defense secretary, Jim Mattis, said both countries should know better than to support the Taliban, as they had suffered themselves from terrorist groups.

Najib Danish, the spokesman for the Interior Ministry, which is in charge of the police, said that attacks by the Taliban have risen sharply this year, as have police casualties. Last year, 6,700 Afghan security forces of all types were killed, the highest level of the war. Most of the dead are from the police, who typically are spread in smaller units around the country, guarding roads and buildings.

In addition to using high-tech gear, the Taliban have also shifted to a tactic in which they mass large numbers of forces in ambushes, Mr. Danish said.

“The enemy changed its tactic by gathering fighters from other places to assault on a single place,” he said.

Dadullah Qani, a member of the Farah provincial council, said the situation there is critical. “The Taliban are trying to capture the entire province, and they have modern weapons,” Mr. Qani said.

Taimoor Shah reported from Kandahar and Rod Nordland from Kabul, Afghanistan. Fahim Abed, Jawad Sukhanyar and Fatima Faizi contributed reporting from Kabul.
 
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THE TALIBAN IS USING RUSSIAN NIGHT-VISION GOGGLES TO KILL AFGHAN SOLDIERS
BY JACK MOORE ON 11/13/17 AT 11:27 AM EST



A Canadian soldier uses his night-vision goggles during a patrol in the Panjwai district of Kandahar province in southern Afghanistan on June 13, 2011. The Taliban are now using night-vision technology to launch attacks in the dark of night.REUTERS/BAZ RATNER

The Taliban militant group has started using night-vision goggles to conduct attacks in the dark of night, according to officials, a new development that alters the battlefield in its insurgency against Afghan and Western forces.

Early Monday, Taliban militants killed eight Afghan police officers by using the goggles to sneak up on them as they slept in their beds in the village of Pule Regi, located near the Afghan city of Farah.

Afghan officials told The New York Times that this was not the first time the insurgents had used such sophisticated devices but just the latest in a recent spate of assaults using night-vision technology.

"Night-vision equipment is used in ambushes by the insurgents, and it is very effective," Major General Dawlat Waziri, the spokesman for the Afghan Defense Ministry, told the newspaper. "You can see your enemy but they cannot see you coming."

The officials said that the goggles were typically Russian-made and could have been purchased on the black market in neighboring Pakistan, where the Taliban also have a substantial presence. They also could have been captured from killed Afghan soldiers, a rarer occurrence.

Night-vision equipment was introduced to Afghan soldiers by the U.S. military, which has maintained a presence in the country since its 2001 invasion to overthrow the Taliban. But police officers, like those killed in the attack, do not have such equipment.

In recent months, the Afghan military has found night-vision goggles on the bodies of Taliban militants that it has killed in counterattacks.

The Taliban now has a special forces unit known as Sara Khitta—which stands for "Red Group" in Pashto and is made up of some 300 fighters—that has started to use night-vision technology. The unit's tactic is to launch attacks on checkpoints and to cut off supply lines, allowing the militants to capture territory.

The unit also boasts "night-vision scopes," Sayed Murad, an Afghan special forces commander, told Reuters last year. As early as August 2016, U.S. officials were saying that Afghan troops had suspected that they had seen Taliban fighters wearing night-vision goggles, but they had no evidence to prove the claim until the Monday attack on police.

One policeman survived Monday's attack, and Afghan authorities are interrogating him. While insider attacks have struck Afghan forces, there is no suggestion at present that an infiltrator was involved in the attack.

The Taliban is battling with the Islamic State militant group (ISIS) for influence. Gunmen linked to its jihadi rival launched an attack on a Kabul television station last week, killing at least one person and leaving dozens wounded. Afghan special forces ended the assault.

While ISIS has focused its attacks on Kabul, the Afghan capital, it has cells in different areas of the country, according to officials, particularly in the eastern province of Nangarhar.
 

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There are a few more sentences from Lindsay graham prior to this clip, he thinks Pakistan is a democracy.

Infact he asked an interesting question. According to him other than India & Pakistan, no other democracies go to war with each other. I am assuming he doesn’t consider Russia, Syria & Iran as democracies.

Nevertheless it’s a good point to ponder upon, what two democracies you know of that went to war with each other? (Others can also contribute).
There are only two types of stable regimes: covert authoritarian regimes and overt authoritarian regimes. A true democracy is very chaotic and therefore rare. That is why India is very chaotic in its functioning. I strongly believe that India is perhaps the only true democracy left. Rest of the countries fall into one of the two above mentioned categories.
 

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Until Israel gives the Palestinians their own country, it’s about as democratic as the apartheid governments of South Africa.
Arab Muslims are 20 percent of Israeli population(outside of gaza and west bank) and can vote in Israeli elections, unlike south Africa.. Yes, Israel blockades gaza and eat up territory in west bank via settlements, but that's another issue..
 

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So, what are the chances of something happening around 26-27 feb ?
Like releasing some details?
If not balakote or 27th feb , then maybe tarbela , tarbela must have been recorded .

Something is going to happen ,both sides will be eager to do something.
hmmm....paki says Jem chief pig and his family are not to be found..which means they all are in the paki safe custody.
errmmm.
 

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So, what are the chances of something happening around 26-27 feb ?
Like releasing some details?
If not balakote or 27th feb , then maybe tarbela , tarbela must have been recorded .

Something is going to happen ,both sides will be eager to do something.
GOI did not even acknowledge Tarbela.. So, nothing will be released... I hope they release something on balakot, to show IAF hit its mark... but anyway I have zero expectations from Modi, as everything is a "secret that can compromise IAF capabilities"..
 

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Masood Azhar and family missing, Pakistan tells terror financing watchdog FATF
File photo of founder of terror outfit Jaish-e-Mohammad (JeM) Masood Azhar. | Photo Credit: AFP
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NEW DELHI 15 FEBRUARY 2020 18:56 IST
UPDATED: 15 FEBRUARY 2020 23:27 IST

The JeM chief was listed as a designated terrorist by UNSC1267 Committee on May 1, 2019.

Pakistan has informed global terror financing watchdog Financial Action Task Force (FATF) that Masood Azhar, founder of terror outfit Jaish-e-Mohammad (JeM), and his family are “missing.”

Azhar was listed as a designated terrorist by the United Nations Security Council 1267 Committee on May 1, 2019.

Pakistan has claimed that there were only 16 U.N. designated terrorists in Pakistan, of which “seven are dead”. Out of the nine who are alive, seven had applied to the U.N. for exemption from financial and travel restrictions. They are: Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) chief Hafiz Saeed, LeT financiers and members- Haji Muhammad Ashraf, Zafar Iqbal, Hafiz Abdul Salam Bhuttavi, Yahya Mohammad Mujahid and Arif Qasmani and al Qaeda financier Abdul Rehman. The restrictions involve freezing of bank accounts.

Pakistan has said that as many as 5,500 bank accounts of individuals and members of groups listed by the U.N. committees were frozen but added that “these individuals were allowed to work for wages,” unless arrested in criminal cases. Pakistan has claimed that it had achieved 222 convictions of terrorist financiers but most were imprisoned for only a few days, a source said.

FATF reviewing Pak case

The FATF is presently reviewing Pakistan’s case to see if it fulfils the global standards criteria to combat terror financing. The FATF is currently chaired by China.

When Pakistan’s response to action initiated against U.N. designated terrorists was sought at a meeting in October last, it “continued to state that Masood Azhar and his family were missing”, the source said. It could not explain why terrorist financing investigations were not launched against Azhar, 26/11 Mumbai attack mastermind Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi or the Haqqani leadership, the source added.

JeM had claimed responsibility for the Pulwama terror attack on February 14 last year where 40 CRPF personnel were killed in a car-bombing. Following this, a training camp run by it at Balakot in Pakistan was hit in a precision strike by the Indian Air Force on February 26. On March 5, Pakistan’s Ministry of Interior claimed that 44 members of banned organisations, including Azhar’s son Hamad and his brother, Abdul Raoof, were taken into “preventive detention.”



Pakistan has stated that it has arrested 38 district commanders of various terror outfits but none of them were designated by the U.N. body. Saeed was sentenced to five-and-a-half years on terror finance charges by a Lahore court on February 12, the first time he has been formally convicted of an offence. The case was registered in July 2019.

In the last FATF meeting held in January in Beijing, Pakistan is understood to have cleared about 14 of the 27 specific counter-terror goals set by the FATF to escape being placed on the “blacklist”. The final Plenary Group meeting is set to begin in Paris on February 16 onward. The adverse listing by FATF implies that it would be difficult for Pakistan to get aid from the IMF, the World Bank, ADB and the European Union.

Pakistan has also claimed that it has received information from the Twitter headquarters, based on which it established that the Baloch Liberation Army had planned the attack on the Chinese consulate in Karachion November 23, 2018. “Pakistan stated that the Twitter profile which claimed responsibility for the attack belonged to a person identified as Raees Baloch based in Afghanistan. It also said he received around 1 million Pakistani rupees from one Dinesh Kumar in the UAE and the attack was coordinated by one ‘RB’,” the source said.

On Grey List

Pakistan was placed on the Grey List by the FATF in June 2018 and given a plan of action to complete it by October 2019, or face the risk of being placed on the blacklist with Iran and North Korea. Pakistan was placed on the Grey list in February 2012 and was removed from it in February 2015 after it passed a National Action Plan (NAP) to deal with terrorism following the Peshawar school massacre in December 2014. It was placed under severe restrictions in 2008-2012.

The FATF is an inter-governmental body established in 1989 to combat money laundering, terrorist financing and other related threats to the integrity of the international financial system.
 
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When Pakistan’s response to action initiated against U.N. designated terrorists was sought at a meeting in October last, it “continued to state that Masood Azhar and his family were missing”, the source said
So, Pakistan said he was missing during October meeting.. but the news of this, has only now come out...
 
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