India Pakistan conflict along IB and LoC (July 2021 onwards)

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He‘s just doing psyops against pakroaches, it’s 100% confirm since the day he said porkis are ahead of India in Industry 4.0, so let him.
I don’t believe this theory. Even if it is true we have got our hands burnt couple of times by playing these double agent games.

In geopolitics best conspiracy is no conspiracy.

Rather indulging in such shoddy conspiracies and assuming Pakistanis will be fooled by them is comedy on our part.

Big nations sit in an ambush, wait for adversary to make a mistake and punish em’ promptly and make it is as pattern to enforce the compliance.

People like Shawney, Panag, Swine and many others are not disease but symptom of our lack of will to punish Pakistan.

We have the strength but not the political will. Loser like PS are irritants who must be answered with the same language and be made a specimen for others to see and fear.
 

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I made few comments last night which were nit picked by someone without reading them in totality.

India spending money on internal security challenges posed by Pakistan are not our strategic national interests. Our national interests are shaped with even bigger landscape in mind.

Pakistani pinpricks are being returned with similar pinpricks and at the same time we are improving our profile on diffrent markers to make them ineffective. Spending 10 billions in last 10 years on Pakistan and Afghanistan combine are just peanuts for us.
Probably that someone might have meant lost GDP to the extent of 10's of billions (yearly, to put it very mildly) n not just the spending on internal n external security. The reference was to AfPak, not Pak. Pinpricks.... agreed.
Bigger landscape in mind. Definitely yes, but that canvas also includes the immediate neighborhood, which is a cluster foxtrot as of now.
*Requesting you to quote the post that you are referring to, for the reason of continuing the chain on topic in question.
 
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As if Afghanistan is worth comprising on core Indian interests with China or Pakistan..
Afghanistan is a dirt poor, land locked country, whose only utility to India, is to keep Pakistan busy on the western front..
What are you saying!!!!
(1) Transport of Russian oil, gas to India n then SE Asia.
(2) Breaking connection between China, Central Asia.
(3) Connecting to Iran via Balochistan as a spin-off.
To name a few.
 

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What are you saying!!!!
(1) Transport of Russian oil, gas to India n then SE Asia.
(2) Breaking connection between China, Central Asia.
(3) Connecting to Iran via Balochistan as a spin-off.
To name a few.
How many pipelines have been built via Afghanistan over the past 25 years, when the Americans started consulting the Taliban for building pipelines.. I have been hearing of TAPI pipeline for the past 20 years.. The region is too unstable, and you would have to bribe too many actors, rendering any pipeline or mineral extraction projects too costly..
Breaking connection b/w China and Central Asia: Please look at world map.. Afghanistan has just a 70 km border with China, whereas China enjoys a thousand kilometer long border with Central Asia.. China is already tightly connected to Central Asia

China only needs Pakistan to connect to Iran overland.. Considering the mountainous terrain, and Chinese major urban centers being in Eastern China.. there is not much economic use to any overland route between Xinjiang and Iran..
 

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Probably that someone might have meant lost GDP to the extent of 10's of billions (yearly, to put it very mildly) n not just the spending on internal n external security. The reference was to AfPak, not Pak. Pinpricks.... agreed.
Bigger landscape in mind. Definitely yes, but that canvas also includes the immediate neighborhood, which is a cluster foxtrot as of now.
*Requesting you to quote the post that you are referring to, for the reason of continuing the chain on topic in question.
There are no chains on this topic especially when you start on nitpicks. I don’t know from where you got this 10 billion a year pop when Indian buildup in Kashmir has many other connotations not just insurgency which is being handled by paramilitary and local police.

It is quite worthless for me to entertain an assertion which spins Modi’s ice breaking visit as breach of protocol. He is the captain of the ship, he makes and break protocol not some social media tin pot.

Pakistan is a pinprick this is how GoI sees it. I categorically made it clear with my opening remarks. I however see it differently and my lens is no less than civilisational. I was simply stating a fact given Pakistan has gone unpunished or not escalated above their level of attacks.

Our region is contained within its internal tractions. This is how our government sees it otherwise we could have already got involved militarily in Burma, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Afghanistan or Nepal. Not to mention we have best logistics carrying capabilities to do that. Same is the case with our diplomatic interference which are very subtle and hardy get into serious upheavals.

This shows that our national interests for all the good reasons are decoupled from the region but more focused on establishing good trade and strategic relationships with Western powers including Russia. Have you ever heard strategic relationship with any of our neighbours or any serious security investment weaved around trade and information sharing?

Your attempt was good when you wanted me to follow the money. I do not know from where you got those exaggerated numbers. I see even bigger numbers elsewhere and can say for sure that our investment in the region is just peanuts.
 

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How many pipelines have been built via Afghanistan over the past 25 years, when the Americans started consulting the Taliban for building pipelines.. I have been hearing of TAPI pipeline for the past 20 years.. The region is too unstable, and you would have to bribe too many actors, rendering any pipeline or mineral extraction projects too costly..
Breaking connection b/w China and Central Asia: Please look at world map.. Afghanistan has just a 70 km border with China, whereas China enjoys a thousand kilometer long border with Central Asia.. China is already tightly connected to Central Asia

China only needs Pakistan to connect to Iran overland.. Considering the mountainous terrain, and Chinese major urban centers being in Eastern China.. there is not much economic use to any overland route..
No pipelines till now dosent mean none in future.
Agree broadly to your point on China-CAR n China-Pak-Af-Iran. However, it's BRI vs Connect Central Asia Policy of Hegemony vs Inclusiveness, India vs China.
Lack of economic use dosen't forclose the option of military use.
 

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Since Modi at helm he is nudging the region to behave and follow good diplomatic practises. We have stopped entertaining blackmailing dogs. There are no free lunches and we have our own affairs to mind than pandering to your sensitivities.

This is quite easily readable.

How I would like it to be done is totally different and I have detailed it couple of times.

Kindly use your comprehension before calling me out.
 

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Russia will never allow any of CAR or Russian oil down south if America is around poking its nose. Annexing Crimea was one such signal as Putin brought that region under its control.

Now things may change. It will be interesting to see how this game of leverages in played between USA and Pakistan.
 

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There are no chains on this topic especially when you start on nitpicks. I don’t know from where you got this 10 billion a year pop when Indian buildup in Kashmir has many other connotations not just insurgency which is being handled by paramilitary and local police.
Regional unrest costs100s of billions not just 10s in GDP to India. Why are you taking it to mean expense on security.
It is quite worthless for me to entertain an assertion which spins Modi’s ice breaking visit as breach of protocol. He is the captain of the ship, he makes and break protocol not some social media tin pot.
Worthless or worth it is an individual call. I reiterate, it was not an ice-breaking visit. It was an urgent visit to NS (wait for the memoirs for details of that visit). Go back to your original post n see that your own tone to the visit was raising a question, to which I reacted. And yes you r the mod but you should not be sitting in judgement. You may agree or disagree to a POV, I am cool with that, but no name calling pls. Give it a few years n you will see the meaning of that visit to NS n I say again it was not ice-breaking. Hint- owning.
Pakistan is a pinprick this is how GoI sees it. I categorically made it clear with my opening remarks. I however see it differently and my lens is no less than civilisational. I was simply stating a fact given Pakistan has gone unpunished or not escalated above their level of attacks.
No disputing pinpricks. Pak hasen't gone unpunished. Punishment ain't just strikes. Economic strikes r it. They are economically paralysed. N it's India's welcome doing.
Our region is contained within its internal tractions. This is how our government sees it otherwise we could have already got involved militarily in Burma, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Afghanistan or Nepal. Not to mention we have best logistics carrying capabilities to do that. Same is the case with our diplomatic interference which are very subtle and hardy get into serious upheavals.
India as a matter of policy dosen't intervene militarily except UNPKF and request for intervention. The latter is on case by case basis. Afghanistan being the latest point in case.
Subtle diplomacy yes, but, no serious upheavals.... kindly revisit your thoughts on this. India is playing Big Time in Afghanistan.
This shows that our national interests for all the good reasons are decoupled from the region but more focused on establishing good trade and strategic relationships with Western powers including Russia. Have you ever heard strategic relationship with any of our neighbours or any serious security investment weaved around trade and information sharing?
Decoupled, definitely yes. But decoupling dosen't mean ignoring. It just means one process is independent of another. Am on same page regarding the rest of the para.

Your attempt was good when you wanted me to follow the money. I do not know from where you got those exaggerated numbers. I see even bigger numbers elsewhere and can say for sure that our investment in the region is just peanuts
See, you getting the point wrong again. It's about billions lost in GDP, not referring to investment/expenses at all. And as you yourself said in the previous para..... it's abt trade (money), so no harm following that trail too.
* It's not called nitpicking. It's a a disagreement to your POV on certain issues.
 

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The usual pics that come out show either dragging through two limbs or lifted thru 4 limbs.
Personally, I would be happy if they fed it to the scavengers
All problems one solution
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The above images are as crisp as it gets btw
Human body can only burn by the virtue of adipose tissues or fat reservoirs
Out of fat then you need additional fuel to burn it further


I would love that btw, use of pig fat in cartridges ??


As far as the liberal media is concerned, Terrorism doesn't have any religion, how do you offend the Muslim religious sentiments by burning or soaking in pig fat, if they are not muslims in the first place
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