India loses on Sri Lankan battleground

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No, there was no need. In fact there are still many millions of people of India who die of hunger, India should give humanitarian aid to citizen of it's own rather than forcing it on the people of some other country. What was the point of spending millions of rupees just to drop some food parcels over Jaffna. Did India believe that Sri Lankan Tamils are more important than their own citizens?

Why Should Sri Lankan president accept India aid? Sri Lanka wasn't at a dire need for humanitarian aid.
it wasnt permanent aid that was given, it was temporary aid that every country including poor countries like SL also send. What was the need to send aid to Nepal during recent earthquake when we know how millions of SL survive in poverty and you have world powers providing much better resources to Nepal. Humanitarian need for time being.

Jaffna was never lost by the SLA after 1996. And how can you say Jaffna was not under absolute control of SL? What are you denominators.
i havent come across any documents suggesting Jaffna was under SL control.. and if so absolute considering north was effectively cut from rest of the country.

That was the tragedy. Sri Lanka should never have signed that accord.
Shows how much LTTE had managed to gain contrary to your views that SL was under taking quite a winning offensive

There are domestic documents that have investigated about the conduct of the army during the Eelam war 4. They have not come across any genocide evidence.

SLA soldiers has being caught violating human rights. They have been duly punished for their behavior.

Why do anyone need international investigators, when LTTE sympathies TNA is in power in Northern province. You suggest they can do such a little thing? Whole world is watching over Sri Lanka now. I don't think TNA would face any objection from Sri Lankan authorities if they wanted to do it.
please show the document. Show/link to the article about alleged violation of human rights and punishment meted out.

Well we all know how much SL authorities objected to even the UN draft with suggested SL to at least investigate the alleged violation or allow international observers to do the same, so its hard to believe just because TNA is in power up north SL will allow those observers to get in.


You cannot stop any sub from entering IOR. But you can stalk them and chase them away from IOR. Both Russia and US has mastered that tactic during the cold war. Are you suggesting that Indian Navy don't have the skills to accomplish that task?

No you cant, u do know the difference between international waters and territorial waters dont you? U can stalk them, observe them but you cant chase them away from international waters just like what US and USSR did.
 

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it wasnt permanent aid that was given, it was temporary aid that every country including poor countries like SL also send. What was the need to send aid to Nepal during recent earthquake when we know how millions of SL survive in poverty and you have world powers providing much better resources to Nepal. Humanitarian need for time being.
Who ask for aid from India in the first place? Why do India has to force the aid on Sri Lanka when it doesn't need help?

i havent come across any documents suggesting Jaffna was under SL control.. and if so absolute considering north was effectively cut from rest of the country.
Then you have not read properly. North was cut from the South doesn't mean Jaffna was under LTTE control. You seems illiterate on Sri Lanka.

Shows how much LTTE had managed to gain contrary to your views that SL was under taking quite a winning offensive
That's because India favored LTTE.

please show the document. Show/link to the article about alleged violation of human rights and punishment meted out.

Well we all know how much SL authorities objected to even the UN draft with suggested SL to at least investigate the alleged violation or allow international observers to do the same, so its hard to believe just because TNA is in power up north SL will allow those observers to get in.
Check on LLRC report and recent Maxwell Paranagama report. Both have studied on the final phase of the war and suggested some recommendations.

Sri Lanka object to UN resolutions because Sri Lanka don't need special investigation headed by foreigners.

No observers need to come to Sri Lanka. Media will cover the story if TNA wants to unearth the burial sites.

No you cant, u do know the difference between international waters and territorial waters dont you? U can stalk them, observe them but you cant chase them away from international waters just like what US and USSR did.
Then why the hell India lay claim to IOR. India should stick with it's territorial waters.
 

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Who ask for aid from India in the first place? Why do India has to force the aid on Sri Lanka when it doesn't need help?
It wasnt for SL it was for tamils reeling under a genocidal regime in SL who only had no sympathy for tamils in the north

Then you have not read properly. North was cut from the South doesn't mean Jaffna was under LTTE control. You seems illiterate on Sri Lanka.
than you are just condescending your ego nothing more. Its a matter of common sense that north was effectively LTTE controlled, whatever SL authority was within or near the base in the area

That's because India favored LTTE.
we had sympathy for Tamils, but dont forget we had made it abundantly clear we believed one SL policy

Check on LLRC report and recent Maxwell Paranagama report. Both have studied on the final phase of the war and suggested some recommendations.

Sri Lanka object to UN resolutions because Sri Lanka don't need special investigation headed by foreigners.

No observers need to come to Sri Lanka. Media will cover the story if TNA wants to unearth the burial sites.

good at least you had one. Thats progress. Well next is allowing observers to the base and investigate army held area.

Then why the hell India lay claim to IOR. India should stick with it's territorial waters.
You have no idea about strategic or naval planning or how it works do you? nobody lays claim to IOR, we are not china. We consider IOR as our backyard and hence we monitor and observe foreign navies and their activities
 

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Debating you isn't even a debate. Its facts vs fantasy. No links, no facts, and a slim hold on reality.

I'll take your word for it Mr."Rape of Nanking"

You are virually not capable of arguing on fact as all other medias are banned in your country. The truth for you is something which CPC want you to believe. You are subverted people and you should not talk of any truth based arguments for ever.
 

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@no smoking, can you give statistics

How much cargo is handled month wise at Hambantota?

If the port is making profits or losses?
Based on Chinese paperwork, they plan to expand Hambantota's capacity to 1400 million TEU.
Currently, Colombo's capacity is 330 million TEU, the project is expand it to 1000 million TEU.

In indian ocean:
80% of Chinese oil tank, 100% Japan/Korean oil
50% world box cargo
1/3 world bulk cargo
2/3 world oil transport

Hambantota is only several sea miles away from the main sea line that make it almost equal to Singapore as transfer hub on cost sense.

Yes, this port is quite profitable

Two deep ports are available on the west coast of india for larger vessels as well.
If you are the owner of ship of which destination is not India, do you want to travel hundreds miles to Indian port for a stop, or another port just several sea miles away?
 

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@no smoking, do not try to play smart with me. You are confusing only yourself.

I want real data, not projections.

How much cargo is loaded/unloaded at Hambantota? can you give me data for last five years.

As far as viability of Hambantota, it is in India's hands. Indian ships can always pick up cargo from Singapore or Colombo, depending upon what makes sense. A ship has to carry two way cargo, not one way. It is not as simple as Chinese vessel unloading India bound cargo at Hambantota and expecting Indian ships to pick up.
 

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China cannot force India on international trade. Strong arm tactics will cause China's share of India's imports to go down.
 

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Chinese investment in port cannot be linked to industrial and tourism investment.
Well, the public secret is you can.
When you build a port, you are building not only a stop spot for ship, but also other facilities such as ship maintenance, logistic centre, oil storage, power station. Certainly, as the builder, most of the equipment of these facilities will be made in China. Then, it is rational to require Chinese to set up factories to supply the components and tools which are necessary for maintenance. Meanwhile, hotel, restaurants and other entertainment service will be brought in for these chinse workers and managers. So, you see, Chinese investments will be the first group coming in. This will give them a big advantage.

There are existing ports in sri Lanka.
But this port is best positioned geographically.

China should show an example of producing goods in sri Lanka and exporting back to china.
Or China can show an example of producing goods in Sri Lanka, satisfy the domestic market and export to India.
 

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@no smoking, do not try to play smart with me. You are confusing only yourself.
I want real data, not projections.
How much cargo is loaded/unloaded at Hambantota? can you give me data for last five years.
You are fooling yourselves, the whole project will complete in 2022. What will last five years data do to prove the potential profitability after 2022?

Besides, this kind of big infrastructure project generally requires 20-30 years to make money back

As far as viability of Hambantota, it is in India's hands. Indian ships can always pick up cargo from Singapore or Colombo, depending upon what makes sense. A ship has to carry two way cargo, not one way. It is not as simple as Chinese vessel unloading India bound cargo at Hambantota and expecting Indian ships to pick up.
Are you trying to fool yourselves again?
Who is talking about Indian ship? I made it clear: this port is perfect for those ships whose destination is NOT INDIA! If a chinese ship carries the electrical products to Europe, why should it need India ships to pick up.

My friend, you need to open your mind.
 

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China cannot force India on international trade. Strong arm tactics will cause China's share of India's imports to go down.
:facepalm:, no one is forcing Indian on International trade. Indian ships can go anywhere they want, but Chinese ships will stop in this port as long as they are not sailing towards/from India. This is not arm tactics, it is economic competition, get used to it.
 

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China, Sri Lanka sign renewed deal to build Colombo Port City
on: August 13, 2016


Sri Lanka on Friday (Aug 12) entered into renewed mega deal with China to resume the multi-million Colombo Port City development project, which is now renamed as Financial City Project.

The signing of the tripartite deal among the Ministry of Megapolis and Western Development, the Urban Development Authority (UDA) and CHEC Port City Colombo (Pvt) Ltd, has come a day before Prime Minister Ranil Wickremesinghe’s four-day ‘observation visit’ to China.

The Prime Minister is accompanied by Professor Maithri Wickremesinghe, Disaster Management Minister Anura Priyadarshana Yapa, Megapolis and Western Development Minister Patali Champika Ranawaka.

The Cabinet, on Wednesday, approved the proposal by Prime Minister Ranil Wickremesinghe, in his capacity as Minister of National Policies and Economic Affairs, to draft the required legislation to establish the Financial City in Colombo.

Accordingly, the objective of the proposed financial city is to make Colombo a financial hub, to attract foreign investments from South Asian and Middle East regions, as well as from European countries.

CHEC Port City is the subsidiary of the China Communication Construction Company (CCCC) and total project development cost of approximately USD 1.4 billion is invested by the Project Company.

The new mini-city is to be built entirely on 269 hectares of land reclaimed from the sea, stretching out from the coastline to the north of Colombo’s famed Galle Face Green, an old colonial recreational ground.

The Friday agreement formally replaces the agreement signed by the previous Rajapaksa government on September 16, 2014. The Project Company commenced construction of the Port City and dredging following the signing of this agreement.


The project was fiercely opposed by the then UNP-led opposition coalition which backed Maithripala Sirisena against Mahinda Rajapaksa prior to the January and August elections last year.

The construction work was suspended in March 2015 following a notice by the new Sirisena government which raised environmental impact concerns.

The state-run Daily News said that the Colombo Port City was intended to make “this logistical heartland into something more than just a place to transship containers”.

“It is to be a major financial center, rivaling Singapore to the east and Dubai to the west, providing direct access to the colossal markets of the Indian Subcontinent, while boosting Sri Lanka’s intake of foreign capital and increasing local employment opportunities in the process,” it said.
 

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This project is a positive for the Sri Lankan economy and the Sri Lankan people. There isn't anything India should worry about. If India was richer than China, Sri Lanka wouldn't care about this investment.

I think Sri Lanka needs to focus on building up its infrastructure. There needs to be urban metro systems, piped drinking water, clean green electricity, piped sewage systems, high-speed railway networks, universities, hospitals, etc... and if this is done through China's help, it doesn't matter.

I just hope the investment is spread out from Colombo, especially to those areas hit hard by war.
 

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Idiot Indian politicians of Hindi regions lost the southern island because of their hatred for Tamil people whether they live in the mainland (Tamil Nadu) or in the island (Tamil Eelam).

India should have stood aside and let Tamil army win the war and fiorm independent Tamil Eelam. It would have been a friendly buffer between Southern region of the island (the Sinhala land).
You do know Major Gunaratne's disclosure do you?

He told about how LTTE was also being paid by SL Army to attack Indians.

There is no hatred between north and south. Please be a bit more logical.

It is such posts that make us nothing less than the in-fighting Pakistanis.
 

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India is playing the classical Indian game.

You just don't ask others to stop and they'll stop.

Give them an alternative.

China has agreed to develop ports there in record times, while Indian investments and construction are delayed and bogged down by too much politics.

That's what needs to change.

If we can construct a port free of cost for them, they SL will align with us.

There is no ant-India sentiment here. Lankans are only seeing who cna help them develop faster.

Although their China-made airport Mattala Rajapakse Airport is in severe losses due to lack of customers and Hambantota isn't actually giving them any benefit.
 

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Wrong. LTTE was a war funded largely by the church and its affiliated agencies. These "peaceful" countries of Europe and west wear suits and make it look all "secular" whereas the hand that Church had in pushing tamil people of SL is shocking.

Please do research about it.

Basically, West played with Tamil people of SL.

Please do read about how similar conflicts have been created in Congo, Gabon, Rwanda etc by the Church apparatus under the guise of 'socialism and secularism' and how ethnic wars are brutally promoted.

There is a book called BREAKING INDIA by Rajiv Malhotra and Aravindan Neelakandan, elaborating on how the Church operates.

And in northeast India, Church is playing havoc with the locals.

And FYI, I am from northeastern India and not some Hindiwala or whatever you've been promoting here.
Indians didn't kill SL Tamils; Churches and their affiliated bodies fooled you into fighting a war that never existed.
 

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Wrong. LTTE was a war funded largely by the church and its affiliated agencies. These "peaceful" countries of Europe and west wear suits and make it look all "secular" whereas the hand that Church had in pushing tamil people of SL is shocking.

Please do research about it.

Basically, West played with Tamil people of SL.

Please do read about how similar conflicts have been created in Congo, Gabon, Rwanda etc by the Church apparatus under the guise of 'socialism and secularism' and how ethnic wars are brutally promoted.

There is a book called BREAKING INDIA by Rajiv Malhotra and Aravindan Neelakandan, elaborating on how the Church operates.

And in northeast India, Church is playing havoc with the locals.

And FYI, I am from northeastern India and not some Hindiwala or whatever you've been promoting here.
Indians didn't kill SL Tamils; Churches and their affiliated bodies fooled you into fighting a war that never existed.
The papists also f**ked around in croatia
 

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India is playing the classical Indian game.

You just don't ask others to stop and they'll stop.

Give them an alternative.

China has agreed to develop ports there in record times, while Indian investments and construction are delayed and bogged down by too much politics.

That's what needs to change.

If we can construct a port free of cost for them, they SL will align with us.

There is no ant-India sentiment here. Lankans are only seeing who cna help them develop faster.

Although their China-made airport Mattala Rajapakse Airport is in severe losses due to lack of customers and Hambantota isn't actually giving them any benefit.
Mattala airport is built to operate in conjuncture with the H'tota harbor. Therefore it is unfair to note that the airport in making severe losses in terms of passenger count. Mattala is now however earning lots of money through allowing it's airspace to be used by larger passenger air crafts like Airbus A380 bound to and from Australia. A niche previously filled by the Chennai airport.

Hambantota harbor is just a one part of a larger development project called "Greater H'tota" development plan. It encompass the airport, harbour, expressway, rail link and a massive industrial estate. It will be the future of Sri Lanka if properly developed.
 

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