India loses on Sri Lankan battleground

[DingDong]

@HeinzGud allow me to simplify this for you. India will make interventions if India must and India can in self-interest. Government of India is not as helpless as your Tamil population, we are capable of taking decisive action.

India is not duty-bound to respect or preserve Sri Lanka's sovereignty and national pride, that is Sri Lankan government's job, the Government of India is answerable only to the people of India.

Sri Lanka must keep India's sensitivities in mind for the sake of self-preservation than anything else. Sri Lanka played those dirty games in past and got suitably punished for that, but old habits die hard. India really is what one of your old leaders once said "The Shark of the Indian Ocean". Stay away from our jaw.

 

[amoy]

Hambantota port project has three phases. Currently only one phase is complete. Only vehicular cargo is handled by the H'tota port. Container traffic is handled by the Colombo port. Infact H'tota is designed to serve the ships using major East-West shipping corridor which lies just several miles away in the sea. When the final two phases are complete. H'tota will become a major stop over point for shipping that links East Asia to Europe, Africa and Asutralia.

China's flag shipping line Cosco alone stands for 8.1% of gobal volume after its merger.

Wherever it consolidates in a hub port, other liners follow suit to boost the port's loadings for the sake of an economy of scale.

For instance COSCO's acquisition of Greek Piraeus Port to further contribute to local economy

In 2008, COSCO won a container operation project for Piraeus port to manage Pier II and Pier III of Piraeus Container Terminal (PCT) for 35 years. In 2015, the port's capacity rose to 3 million containers, a dramatic increase from 685,000 in 2010.

By 2020, PCT officials expect that Piraeus' cargo handling capacity will reach some 6.3 million TEUs (20-foot equivalent unit) per year, making Piraeus the largest port in terminal capacity in the Mediterranean.

The Chinese enterprise has also created over 1,000 jobs for local people over the last two years. Among the incessant strikes around the country, workers at the port have never held a strike.

Indeed a win-win situation for all stakeholders.

See what Singapore and Israel have achieved despite adverse surroundings? Sri Lanka is able to make it too only that a right partner is imperative. Nowadays even India is to "Look East" or "Act East" as their fancy catchphrases




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[HeinzGud]

Provide reference when did we Threatened your leaders to sign any accord. When you guys genocide our Tamils on one hand without any scare of india, on other hand you say that we threaten you. Strange. WHen you say that we threatened your leaders to sign an accord, we would have further threatened them for a separate tamil nation. Who stopped us?

This shows the height of your stupidity. Do you think India would have kept a blind eye towards the plight of the Tamils if they were butchered in Sri Lanka like flies?

India can't threaten Sri Lanka to create a separate Tamil nation because of India's own separatist tendencies. India never wanted a separate Tamil state in India. All they wanted was a Tamil separatist struggle that win nor lose so that India can have a leverage on Sri Lankan affairs.

you guys are like Pakistanis. When Kasab was caught alive, they said that he is Amarsingh of India. Was the UN resolution moved without any evidence?

And stop your BS of protecting race etc. Tamils were briliant, They rose in SL because of their talent. It was unacceptable you guys and you started atrocities giving the birth to LTTE and other Organizations to pick up guns. You did atrocities never heard in Human history. Rightly our government has said that now implement that peace accord else the problem may erupt again.

So the UN resolutions moved against Kashmir is filled with evidence? Stop the BS. UNHR has absolutely no evidence against Sri Lanka except for Channel 4 propaganda videos and LTTE sympathizer testimonies.

What specially talent Tamils had over Sinhalese. The real reason was British favored Tamils because they were loyal to British compared with the rebellious Sinhalese.

Sinhalese didn't start any atrocity against Tamils. It was all started by the Tamil elite who wanted a arpathaid state in Sri Lanka. If you study history, you can find there is a preliminary incident started by Tamils before every major pogroms in Sri Lanka.

 

[HeinzGud]

@HeinzGud allow me to simplify this for you. India will make interventions if India must and India can in self-interest. Government of India is not as helpless as your Tamil population, we are capable of taking decisive action.

India is not duty-bound to respect or preserve Sri Lanka's sovereignty and national pride, that is Sri Lankan government's job, the Government of India is answerable only to the people of India.

Sri Lanka must keep India's sensitivities in mind for the sake of self-preservation than anything else. Sri Lanka played those dirty games in past and got suitably punished for that, but old habits die hard. India really is what one of your old leaders once said "The Shark of the Indian Ocean". Stay away from our jaw.

No country can interfere with any other countries issues. That is the corner stone of International law. India has no right what so ever to interfere with Sri Lankan affairs. If they continued to do so India will be defamed among the international community.

India has every right to respect Sri Lanka's sovereignty. If they don't do that, no other country will respect India's sovereignty.

 

[bose]

@HeinzGud There was the famous burning down of library in Jafna in 80's ...

 

[bose]

No country can interfere with any other countries issues. That is the corner stone of International law. India has no right what so ever to interfere with Sri Lankan affairs. If they continued to do so India will be defamed among the international community.

India has every right to respect Sri Lanka's sovereignty. If they don't do that, no other country will respect India's sovereignty.

What is Sri Lanka's position on Kashmir ?

 

[Neil]

There were no humanitarian need for dropping food supplies to Jaffna. India did that with out the consent of Sri Lankan government. The reason was to intimidate our government to submission. That is what exactly happened. The blockade of trawlers were not an issue but intercepting Mirage 2000s were a huge problem for Sri Lanka.

Sri Lanka army never lose the Jaffna peninsula except from 1987 to 1996 due to IPKF presence and second cease fire in 1990.

What about the Thimpu accords? Sri Lanka government rejected the Tamil demands because there were baseless.

there was, just as there is now in providing assistance to tamil people. GOI had asked for permission from SL to supply humanitarian assistance to north, your president rejected. Even the ship convoy was sent un escorted not to be looking imposing/threatening on SL. But when all means failed, GOI was forced to take measures in order to protect tamilians from genocide both from LTTE and SL.

Jaffna was political capital of LTTE, IPKF captured it, SL forces as always lost it. Jaffna was never under absolute control of SL even after it was recaptured.

And then gave into SL-india accord giving sweeping powers to tamilians, right when you claim SL forces had a upper hand

So you are suggesting just because there are no state documents reporting of army excesses in north that there were genocide in North. There is a very simple issue with the whole genocide story. If 40,000 or so people were killed, where were they buried? Where are the mass graves of the victims? Have anyone being able to uncover the graves even when TNA backed Northern provincial council ruling North.

My suggestion is simple, u claimed that your army had oversight. I said point out to a document (not foreign, but domestic human rights body) that either investigated or documented any human rights violations. Are u suggesting, in such a long drown war, SL forces didnt violate any human rights? well to discover those mass graves, SL has to allow international investigators to enter north. How do expect people to discover mass graves without verification on ground. Partly to blame for all this was India's lobbying, actually allowed the US backed draft to be watered down to almost junk and lobbied with US to do so.

SIGINT/ELINT ships cannot operate from Sri Lanka. Besides it's Indian Navy's falling to stop the so called Chinese intel gatheing sub operations.

how do you stop a sub/warship into entering international waters of IOR. The only way to stop/reduce them is not being given access to base or support system on the ports.

 

[VaghaDeva]

@Razor Abselewtly poetic jajaja

 

[garg_bharat]

This shows the height of your stupidity. Do you think India would have kept a blind eye towards the plight of the Tamils if they were butchered in Sri Lanka like flies?

Unfortunately it happened as Congressi turned a blind eye to SL due to a perceived grudge against LTTE.

Congressi have betrayed SL Tamils. Tamils should always remember that.

Any Tamil party that allys with Congressi should remember that.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

This shows the height of your stupidity. Do you think India would have kept a blind eye towards the plight of the Tamils if they were butchered in Sri Lanka like flies?

India can't threaten Sri Lanka to create a separate Tamil nation because of India's own separatist tendencies. India never wanted a separate Tamil state in India. All they wanted was a Tamil separatist struggle that win nor lose so that India can have a leverage on Sri Lankan affairs.

This shows your stupidity. you make tall claims to defame india but when I ask you to provide reference, you not backtracks but brings in your BS logic which worth noting.
We did not threat because we value the relation ship. Honoring that is our virtue and not our compulsion. Ant that is way we did not support the resolution moved against you in UN though your hands are blooded with the blood of our Tamils. Let me tell you if you try to be smart and play with our interest and security, you will phase dangerous consequences. Do not go and seat in china's lap. Else you will phase the consequences.

 

[J20!]

yes , if it is denouncing their sovereignty let is be so. Each and every powerful country does that. If they want the port to be build, we can do that for them. We can not allow the evil china to enter the region. When we have done so much for SL, it is their duty not to seat in the leap of china.


As I said , we can build the project for them. When we have done so much for them, It is their duty to respect our security concern. They can come to us and ask for whatever they want. We are ready to do that at favorable terms and conditions than china. We have lived to gather for centuries and they can not take a stance which harms our security concern. If they do that than we shall take necessary action.

Its interesting that the same people who will actively denounce China for voicing concern over US MILITARY BASES (often with thousands of American Troops) in the Philipines, Korea and Japan; will then turn around and say India has the right to "take measures" against small South Asian countries for building ports biult by Chinese COMPANIES. China has never "taken measures" against ASEAN countries with Basing agreements with the US, but members here call China's actions in the SCS "bullying".

What do you call the "measures" you wish to take against Sri Lanka for developing its ports with Chinese Companies?

Mind you these ports will hold no troops or base any PLAN vessels or equipment, yet Indian media and many here wish to actively portray them as some sort of menacing attempts to contain India. Chinese companies are building huge ports all over the world, some in Europe even.
Will the PLAN be "operating" out of the port in Greece too? I call :bs: on all these Indian media claims of a "String of Pearls Strategy"

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Its interesting that the same people who will actively denounce China for voicing concern over US MILITARY BASES (often with thousands of American Troops) in the Philipines, Korea and Japan; will then turn around and say India has the right to "take measures" against small South Asian countries for building ports biult by Chinese COMPANIES. China has never "taken measures" against ASEAN countries with Basing agreements with the US, but members here call China's actions in the SCS "bullying".

What do you call the "measures" you wish to take against Sri Lanka for developing its ports with Chinese Companies?

Mind you these ports will hold no troops or base any PLAN vessels or equipment, yet Indian media and many here wish to actively portray them as some sort of menacing attempts to contain India. Chinese companies are building huge ports all over the world, some in Europe even.
Will the PLAN be "operating" out of the port in Greece too? I call :bs: on all these Indian media claims of a "String of Pearls Strategy"

You see evils can not be the saints. Your dirty ambitions are known to every one. Try to implement the philosophy which to teaches us here with Taiwan and Vietnam like countries and free tibet and than give us advise. Once yo build the port and strengthen your influence in small country like SL, who will stop you to move your men and machine there? So keep your BS with you. Now we have a strong government and we are taking necessary action to stabilize the region. Subcontinent is named on us and we are basically the same people. Entry of evil intruders is banned here. Your other pawn on our western border have yet not learned the lesson. We shall teach him proper lesson next time. We shall not allow you to create your influence here.

 

[garg_bharat]

@J20!, your view is fundamentally wrong.

An investment is done with a view of profit, and Hambantota and Gwadar will never turn a profit. There is no demand at these ports. So the claim that these are purely commercial ports is hollow.

American bases have run into controversy and opposition many times. It is besides the point if China has raised its voice or not.

China can engage in infrastructure projects. We do not oppose such projects. In fact China is participating in India also.

We believe in cooperative security structures. Chinese bases in our neighbourhood will have a destabilizing effect on India's security which will require counter actions from India.

 

[no smoking]

@J20!, your view is fundamentally wrong.

An investment is done with a view of profit, and Hambantota and Gwadar will never turn a profit. There is no demand at these ports. So the claim that these are purely commercial ports is hollow.

Think again!

In the long journey of Chinese cargo, these ships used to stop in India's ports. The Sri Lanka port is closer to the main sea lane comparing to any Indian port. That means the saving of time and fuel.

On the other hand, since Chinese will hold certain amount of share in these ports, so Chinese can influence the management which means potentially Chinese ships can have priority over other countries' ships in the queue. That, again, will save huge amount of money for Chinese companies.

Finally, by building these ports, Chinese companies will significantly increase their opportunities in other infrastructure projects in these countries and even industrial and tourism projects.

So, yes, this is a project with huge potential profit.

American bases have run into controversy and opposition many times. It is besides the point if China has raised its voice or not.

Well, name me one example that Chinese opposes a foreign commercial investment in her neighbourhood due to security concern.

China can engage in infrastructure projects. We do not oppose such projects. In fact China is participating in India also.

We believe in cooperative security structures. Chinese bases in our neighbourhood will have a destabilizing effect on India's security which will require counter actions from India.[/QUOTE]

But, so far there is no evidence that this port will become a military base.

 

[garg_bharat]

@no smoking, can you give statistics

How much cargo is handled month wise at Hambantota?

If the port is making profits or losses?

Indian transhipment business is done in Singapore and Colombo.

Two deep ports are available on the west coast of india for larger vessels as well.

 

[garg_bharat]

Chinese investment in port cannot be linked to industrial and tourism investment.

There are existing ports in sri Lanka.

China should show an example of producing goods in sri Lanka and exporting back to china.

 

[J20!]

You see evils can not be the saints. Your dirty ambitions are known to every one. Try to implement the philosophy which to teaches us here with Taiwan and Vietnam like countries and free tibet and than give us advise. Once yo build the port and strengthen your influence in small country like SL, who will stop you to move your men and machine there? So keep your BS with you. Now we have a strong government and we are taking necessary action to stabilize the region. Subcontinent is named on us and we are basically the same people. Entry of evil intruders is banned here. Your other pawn on our western border have yet not learned the lesson. We shall teach him proper lesson next time. We shall not allow you to create your influence here.

Double-speak and double standards.

Every East Asian country aside from Japan has a huge Chinese population yet you don't see China telling Vietnam or Singapore which ports to build or who the contractors should be in the South-CHINA-Sea. Heck, the Phillipines is opening several Bases to US marines, surveilance planes and ships. Yet China has taken no steps to "stabilize the region" as you put it.

As far as the "men and machinery" prophecies go; China has built dozens of ports the world over, yet we have not seen these mysterious PLA "men and machinery" crop up in any of them. So forgive me if I once again call :bsn your media inspired paranoia.

Whether the port is built by a Chinese contractor or a French company - it is still a Sri-Lankan Port, and Sri Lanka has sovreignty over it.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Double-speak and double standards.

Every East Asian country aside from Japan has a huge Chinese population yet you don't see China telling Vietnam or Singapore which ports to build or who the contractors should be in the South-CHINA-Sea. Heck, the Phillipines is opening several Bases to US marines, surveilance planes and ships. Yet China has taken no steps to "stabilize the region" as you put it.

BS

You have issued numbers of warning to india for any oil exploration in south china sea though it is strictly fall under international law. You sunk many Vietnam ships. We never did that with any of our neighbor.

As far as the "men and machinery" prophecies go; China has built dozens of ports the world over, yet we have not seen these mysterious PLA "men and machinery" crop up in any of them. So forgive me if I once again call :bsn your media inspired paranoia.

Whether the port is built by a Chinese contractor or a French company - it is still a Sri-Lankan Port, and Sri Lanka has sovreignty over it.

Where have you build those dozens of ports? name them.

SO far as Indian ocean is concern, we know your intention and we shall not allow you to be success.

Your general says that south china sea is yours since it is named on china. I say indian ocean is ours since it is named on us. The whole subcontinent is named on india, so we have the right to protect it and see that evil forces do not intrude into it.

 

[J20!]

@J20!, your view is fundamentally wrong.

An investment is done with a view of profit, and Hambantota and Gwadar will never turn a profit. There is no demand at these ports. So the claim that these are purely commercial ports is hollow.

You're missing the point of all these "Belt-and-Road" intiatives the PRC is engaging in. IT'S NOT ABOUT INDIA. http://www.unz.com/plee/good-news-world-you-can-stop-worrying-about-the-south-china-sea/

The US Navy - with its numerous bases across the Pacific and now in the SCS and Australia - has a stranglehold on Chinese trade going through the Malacca Strait and into the SCS as we all know. Most of the magic "$5 trillion in trade going throught the SCS" IS HEADED TO AND FROM CHINESE PORTS.

China needed an alternative route to transport the materials and goods that power our economy when(not if) the US blockades Chinese ports.

Gwadar and and the Burmese ports and pipelines aren't about "encircling India" (a ridiculous notion without military bases and thousands of personel based there); these initiatives are to provide secure supply lines when the US declares its war.

China can engage in infrastructure projects. We do not oppose such projects. In fact China is participating in India also.

We believe in cooperative security structures. Chinese bases in our neighbourhood will have a destabilizing effect on India's security which will require counter actions from India.

Again, they are not bases. They are not even logistics centers. Yes, a submarine stopped there to refuel and resupply its food stores. Big deal! PLAN vessels have stopped over for resupply and R&R all over the world. Germany, Spain, Argentina, Brazil etc. Don't NATO and other navies frequently stop over in India for the same purpose?

 

[Indx TechStyle]

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