India-China Relations

[johnee]

Singh sahab,

Thank you for the response. When I referred to "counter-incursion", I meant it purely in terms of Aksai Chin / C-o-K. It would perhaps serve to play the same deterrent function as India adopting a hostile stance towards Pakistani infiltration.

China's "historical basis" in claiming Arunachal Pradesh rests on the fact that it is part of the South Tibetan plateau - a land which is itself illegitimately occupied by them.

Whether counter-incursion does lead to conflict is entirely dependent upon the Chinese. As I said, the purpose of the counter-incursion would be triple-fold: a) to consolidate a competing claim to sovereignty over Chinese-occupied territory just as they have done to us now; b) to make the escalation of this 'mutual swaggering' and posturing entirely their prerogative; if they do fire, they will have established the precedent - I doubt the Chinese would be fools to escalate any return fire or firing upon their own troops ingressing postliminiarily into outright war; c) serve as a deterrent to any subsequent incursions - as: i) they will know that they can expect to be fired upon; ii) that we may legitimately do so without qualms as the modus operandi has been established by them by the principle of 'preeo factum' or prior action.

A state, to my mind, has no respect unless it is willing to defend its borders- and do so by whatever means necessary.

Rage,
I agree with all your points and endorse them as well. But, and this is the critical point, is India ready to engage in a conflict with China at this point in time?
We have neglected our border with China in terms of developing military and strategic tools to mount defensive or offensive operations for a long time. We have only recently started the process of developing our capabilities on Chinese border. So, our first priority should be to hasten that process. And then in about 5-7yrs time, we may be in a position to do what you propose.

Until then, we play along the Hindi-Chini bhai tune and of course take serious note of incursions on diplomatic and bilateral level. But its not time for military ops. Just my two cents.

EDIT: We must, of course, warn that we will shoot down any incursions on the international border but not on Line of Actual Control.

Johnee.

 

[natarajan]

do you think china will be silent without improving its capability?
we may stop the gap between us growing but cannot match them:2guns:

 

[RPK]

defence.professionals | defpro.com

India Mobilizes Troops Along China Border


With the threat perception from China looming large, as India Defence Online reports, India has taken steps to ensure safety on the disputed Indo-Chinese border by undertaking the upgradation of military capabilities and beefing up the infrastructure in the North-east region of India.

The Indian Air Force (IAF) has also been notified to maintain their helicopter-lifting capabilities and boost up the security in the Chabua airbase in the north-eastern region. India is also reviving several airstrips which were not being used since the 1962 Indo-Chinese war. India has already achieved the feat of creating the world’s highest airstrip Ladakh region of north India in May this year and it can land transport aircraft as well.

Besides activation of the IAF capabilities, India is also enhancing its military strength along the border.

In the north-east, the Indian Army is raising two divisions with 15,000 to 30,000 soldiers. The Indian Army is regrouping officers and troops from across the country to form the two divisions quickly. They would add strength to the defence of the sensitive Arunachal Pradesh border which is being hawk-eyed by China. The Chinese claim on Arunachal Pradesh and repeated incursions into border villages and reports of a Chinese military exercise involving 50,000 troops in Tibet is also worrying India. A highway built by China parallel to the border, with approach roads intruding into Arunachal Pradesh, is also a matter of concern as it can be used by the Chinese Army to move quickly with artillery into the state.

Meanwhile, India has undertaken building of a network of roads with over 30 major new road links. An all-weather connectivity right up to the command post is also being worked upon.Indian experts feel that the border dispute which has been carrying on for decades will not be sorted easily and threat perception will arise. In the case of a possible confrontation, Indian forces are prepared and capable of overcoming their enemies. Although China has better infrastructure, India is technologically advanced on several fronts which will give it the decisive edge over China.

 

[ajay_ijn]

ITBP denies its men being injured in Chinese firing
Central Chronicle - Madhya Pradesh's News Portal
Terming the report in a section of the press which said that two jawans of the para-military force (ITBP) were injured in firing from Chinese side in Sikkim, as ''factually incorrect and baseless'', the ITBP said, ''No such incident of firing has taken place in north Sikkim on the India-China border.'' Emphasising that ''no member of the ITBP has been injured'' in the so-called firing incident, ITBP spokeperson Deepak Pandey said reports of two ITBP jawans getting injured by bullets fired from the Chinese side at Kerang, northern Sikkim, a fortnight ago are absolutely wrong and misleading.
''Any report in this regard is incorrect.'' The reaction comes in the wake of a front-page report carried in a leading national daily stating that two ITBP jawans were injured in China border firing - in a first violation of the 1996 ceasefire agreement between India and China.

 

[ajay_ijn]

interesting article.
China's Sun Tzu strategy for Arunachal - dnaindia.com
What he says is China simply tries to increase its claims on Arunachal Pradesh by doing various activities like blocking loan, intrusions etc

So Indias reply should not be just in diplomacy or miltary deployment but culturally, socially, economically etc

if China paints few rocks red in Ladakh, then Indian Govt should freely distribute flags to villagers of Arunachal and put them over their houses.

Another way is tourism, agressively promote arunachal, and tawang as tourist destination in north east. Relax the difficulties associated with travelling, permissions, accomodations, communications. Build permanent hill stations. If needed start a Small dedicated airlines for North East only. Let Indians and Foreigners move more freely to arunachal. isolation of arunachal only contributes to chinese designs.

Key issue is as usual the Infrastructure. once business and commerce starts growing at similar way as that of rest of India, then Arunachal will really becomes integral part of India and china wouldn't be able to do much even with those incursions.

Its going to be a battle at various levels other than actual military.

 

[arya]

hi
friends let fisrt understand china what is strength and weakness in my view china a country which take small step but regular big arm force is strength and good economy
weakness its style which is dangerous thing for USA UK INDIA

that is true war will be take place india and china sane as cold war betwwn rusiia and usa and it alos must be take place between india and china no one can stop that thats the nautural two equall power cant take place
we really want to win that fight we have to also take small steps but very fast our border conditon is very poor like roads all the logistic support and better infarstrue and the most import thing modernisation of our force is just start but china is near to finish we have to incare our speed

we have to increase our local products and we must to say no to product made in china like toys electrnic items use indian items as musch we can so that our local grwoth will increase

small steps make big thing or when you have long distnace your steps should be small but speed should be high

jai hind

 

[RPK]

Indian Army on ‘Operation Alert’ along China border

NEW DELHI - The Indian Army has mobilised its troops to forwards posts in Jammu and Kashmir and along the northeastern border with China in an exercise named Operation Alert, a defence official said Wednesday.


About 50 percent troops on the Line of Actual Control have been mobilised to forward posts. The mobilisation would last for nearly a month, a senior Indian Army official told IANS.

The mobilisation of Indian troops has come close on the heels of a high-profile war game launched by the Chinese army. China had deployed close to 50,000 troops in its biggest cross-country tactical mobilisation exercise that has sent alarm bells ringing in India as it is seen as Beijings efforts to improve its ability to deploy troops in Tibet whenever reinforcements are required.

However, the Indian Army officially refused to term the mobilisation as a counter to the Chinese army’s exercise.

Operation Alert is an annual exercise conducted during this time of the year to undertake the maintenance of the forward posts, another Indian Army official said.

In the past months, there have been several reports of Chinese troops intruding into Indian territory in the Ladakh region of Jammu and Kashmir creating anxiety about Beijing’s aggressive designs.

The Indian government has, however, sought to play down the incursions, saying these are routine incidents that occur due to differences in perception about the Line of Actual Control.

 

[sayareakd]

at least some thing is moving, this shows that GOI is concern, but MEA is downplaying the incidents. If this continue at this pace, then chines will be crossing over to our side very shortly.

 

[ajay_ijn]

Indian media declares war on China
Indian media declares war on China: India Today - Latest Breaking News from India, World, Business, Cricket, Sports, Bollywood.

At the meeting of the National Security Council Advisory Board last week, a senior member argued for strong measures to control the media - especially the 24-hour news channels. He was reacting to media reports about Chinese transgressions along the border which are creating a war-like hysteria.

In the last two months, news items about Chinese activities on the border have surfaced with remarkable regularity in the Indian media. Invariably these reports are leaked on a Sunday - a lean news day.

Almost every Sunday evening since last month, television news channels have run anti- China bulletins. It began with reports on Sunday, August 9 that incidents of Chinese transgression had taken place in June in the western sector. This was a day after the Sino-Indian boundary talks ended without any significant outcome. The anti- China campaign has continued relentlessly in the media since then.

Reports

On August 30, another Sunday, we were told that Chinese helicopters entered Leh and airdropped canned food containing "frozen pork and brinjal which had passed their expiry date". Chinese helicopters were also reported to have crossed over into Indian territory in the Pangong lake area.

The following Sunday, on September 6, TV channels went berserk over Chinese troops having entered Indian territory near Mount Gya in the Chumar sector and painted boulders and rocks "in Cantonese". A picture of a spray painted rock was shown on TV, presumably for those Indians who are well versed in "Cantonese". A week later, there were reports of the " dragon" crossing the border in the Barahoti sector in Uttarakhand, as well as reports that the Jammu and Kashmir government had written to the Centre about China's construction activities across the Karakoram range. There have also been regular reports of transgressions in Sikkim and of firing by Chinese troops having wounded Indian security personnel sourced to "a highly placed intelligence source, who is not authorised to give information to the media". Some currency has also been given to a report in the "Urdu press" about Chinese soldiers beating up Indian shepherds near the Aksai Chin area.

The fact is that no Indian media establishment has correspondents posted on the Sino-Indian border who would see the expiry dates on air- dropped cans of pork and brinjal, or photographers who can read "Cantonese" painted on rocks. No Urdu newspaper, not even those who do have money to spend on news gathering, have correspondents based "near Aksai Chin". The Ministry of External Affairs, the army and the Indo-Tibetan Border Police have strongly and repeatedly denied that there is any marked rise in Chinese transgressions in areas where the two countries differ about the Line of Actual Control. The reports of so-called firing in the Sikkim sector have also been denied by Indian officials. Yet, there can be little doubt that these inspired news reports are coming from a section of the Indian establishment.

They are far too detailed to come from anywhere else with such regularity. This exercise must have a clear objective.To understand that motive, one must examine a number of recent developments which contextualise the current state of Sino-Indian ties. They may have contributed to the present hysteria.

Earlier this year, China tried to block a $2.9 billion Asian Development Bank (ADB) loan to India as a part of it was to be used for an irrigation project in Arunachal Pradesh.Through this act, it tried to convert a bilateral territorial issue into a multilateral one.

At the same time, China is involved in upgrading the Karakoram highway, in territory that India legally considers its own. India believes that the area was handed over to China illegally by Pakistan. It is also helping Pakistan set up a 7,000 MW hydroelectric power project at Bunji in the Northern Areas (Gilgit-Baltistan) in Pakistan Occupied Kashmir (POK).

China knows that even though Pakistan disagrees India has a legal claim on this territory and it is at best, disputed. How is it then that it feels free to do whatever it likes in POK and objects to a small irrigation project in Arunachal? Such actions at a time when the representatives of the two countries are engaged in resolving the border issue - 13 rounds of talks have been held so far - conveys that China is in no mood to settle the border issue with India.

Had there been good progress in the boundary talks - it has after all been three years since the political parameters and guidelines for border settlement were decided - the activities of the Chinese troops on the border might have been seen differently by the media.

Context

The transgressions in Sikkim, for example, are especially difficult to understand from the Indian point of view because the Tibet- Sikkim border is demarcated and settled. This was the big breakthrough of the Vajpayee visit to China in 2003 when Sikkim was recognised as a part of India and a border trade agreement was signed.

It is also a fact that China has strengthened its air power in Tibet and opened new air fields there. China's policy towards our neighbours - whether it be Pakistan, Nepal, Bangladesh or Sri Lanka - and the maritime facilities it is setting up in the Indian Ocean area, does not take into account Indian interests and sensitivities.

There is also great apprehension in India about possible Chinese plans to divert the waters of the Brahmaputra and other rivers flowing into India to their water deficit regions.

Chinese opposition to India's permanent membership of the UN Security Council and to the NSG (Nuclear Suppliers Group) waiver has further reinforced the negative image of China in the public mind.

There are enough reasons then for suspicion and distrust in the relationship in the immediate context. Add to these memories of the 1962 war and India's failure to develop its border defences, and even small border incidents end up raising great concern.Hardly anyone in India believes that China stands to gain by creating a border diversion with India.This goes counter to the Chinese propaganda that its rise has been peaceful and that a strong China does not threaten anyone.

The Chinese themselves have claimed that to become a mid-level developed country they need 15 to 20 years of peace. They must have also calculated that any increased tension on the border would greatly boost Indian efforts to build comparable border infrastructure, increasing the risk of a clash.

Origin

However, this still begs the question, who in India is attempting to create hysteria over China? One suspects that these are dissident elements from the larger defence, intelligence and paramilitary establishment who feel that the Indian state is far too diffident in the face of China; that it does not have the courage to even react verbally to Chinese provocations and is afraid to give the impression that its China policy is not working.

They probably think that the only way to push the government to react in the way they want is to use public opinion against the challenge that China is mounting.

Perhaps they perceive the present government as being weak- kneed towards its adversaries - if it opted for appeasement with Pakistan, a weaker adversary, in Sharm-el-Sheikh, then might it not buckle under against a stronger adversary like China? Their motivation probably is not to start a war - no one wants to deflect India from its growth path by diverting scarce resources to a war effort - but to push the government's diplomacy on the front foot. The media has merely become their tool - sometimes willingly, but more often than not unthinkingly.

I usually don't say this but great job done by Indian Media.

 

[ajay_ijn]

at least some thing is moving, this shows that GOI is concern, but MEA is downplaying the incidents. If this continue at this pace, then chines will be crossing over to our side very shortly.

Saya, Indian Army is even denying that exercise is an reply to chinese incursions.

 

[arya]

try to understand china plan

Indian media declares war on China
Indian media declares war on China: India Today - Latest Breaking News from India, World, Business, Cricket, Sports, Bollywood.

I usually don't say this but great job done by Indian Media.

please try to understand china plan we are doing the same thing which china want from our side we have to do lots of thing but not in these way now all the world is thinking india is geting ready for war we have to do the thing but we are not allowed to showcase in media

we have to increase speed of infrastructure and we have to increase the speed of modernisation of our force we are in starting phase and china has done
we can not forget Pakistan who is just waiting for the right time
we have to take small steps but with high speed

 

[youngindian]

Infrastructure first, PLA later

17 Sep 2009

NEW DELHI: Even as New Delhi views the latest Chinese incursions across the Line

of Actual Control (LAC) as an attempt by its troops to
‘provoke’ India into retaliatory
action, the government has decided to focus its energies on aggressively pushing development projects on its side of the border.

A meeting of the China study group convened by National Security Advisor M K Narayanan here on Thursday is expected to take stock of the recent cross-border misadventures by Chinese troops and discuss an appropriate response to the same.

Though MEA is keen on playing down the incursions as ‘routine attempt’ by Chinese Army to make its presence felt by leaving behind tell-tale signs of its ventures into Indian territory, a section of the security establishment is getting restless over such a response as it strongly feels that ignoring frequent incursions into its territory would only embolden the neighbour into getting more aggressive.

The meeting — to be attended by the Cabinet Secretary and secretaries of home, defence and external affairs, besides Army and intelligence brass — will discuss these divergent views and try to evolve a consensus on how India must deal with the Chinese incursions.

According to intelligence sources, the degree of difference between the attitudes of the political leadership in China and PLA would be raised at Thursday’s meeting. There is a view that while PLA is keen on pushing things aggressively to settle the border disputes with India, the Chinese political leadership is soft and does not favour a skirmish. The possibility of PLA working independently of the political leadership will also be examined at the meeting to be presided over by the National Security Advisor.

For now, the dominant view in the government is to continue sorting out the border row with China through negotiations. This stems from the realisation that any military solution would be suicidal as the impressive infrastructure and roads in place on the Chinese side give its Army a clear tactical advantage in the event of a hostility.

While the neighbour would have ready defence structures, Indian troops will be handicapped by inadequate infrastructure and road linkages on its side of the border.

Hence, the practical approach before the government is to not get provoked by the border misadventures by the Chinese and instead give an aggressive push to the border roads and development works on Indian side of the LAC. The government had recently decided to mobilise funds internally for a major irrigation project in Arunachal Pradesh after China opposed ADB funding for the same.

According to MHA, work is in progress on 10 border roads adjacent to China, with a total length of 196 kilometres. 40.08 km of formation works and 5.40 km of surfacing works have been completed.

Incursions by Chinese troops across LAC into Indian territory are part of the neighbour’s strategy to assert its ‘presence and hold’. Chinese troops make it a point to venture every now and then into Indian areas to underline their ‘disputed’ nature and assert that India cannot outdo or ignore China.

The frequency of such incursions, according to a senior intelligence official, increases whenever a high-level meeting takes place, a foreign dignitary visits the neighbourhood or an Indian VIP tours areas such as Arunachal Pradesh.

But, even as it remains Chinese Army’s intention to ‘provoke’ us by indulging in border misadventures, India has consistently resisted any strong reaction and taken the liberal view favouring only negotiations for resolution of the Sino-Indian border row.

Infrastructure first, PLA later- Politics/Nation-News-The Economic Times

 

[youngindian]

Chinese can’t ’see’ MacMahon line

17/09/09

Even as the Indian Army is caught in its own semantic jugglery whether to describe Chinese activities in the eastern theatre as `incursion’ or


`transgression’ the fact is the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) has crossed over into India no less than six times since January this year.

Worse, there might have been many more incursions because India’s presence in forward areas remains woefully thin; it’s possible other instances of PLA adventurism have gone unnoticed. Field posts of the Indian Army have reported six such cross-overs this year alone four times in Upper Subansiri district in the north and twice in Lohit district, east Arunachal Pradesh. These are termed “harmless transgressions” or accidental violations of LAC.

Officially, PLA incursions are hard to record because no temporary or permanent structures have been built by the Chinese along the spottily demarcated boundaries.

The bone of contention the 890-km long McMahon Line extends from Bhutan in the west and climbs up to the northeast before taking a 90 degree turn southward for 260 km along the great bend of the Brahmaputra. It runs through treacherous Himalayan hilly terrains. This imaginary line is crescent shaped convex towards the Chinese side. “But the Chinese see the curve bending in the opposite direction and hence the difference in perception,” a source said.

The Army seeks to play down the violations along this line since there is a bilateral mechanism to sort these problems with the PLA at Border Personnel’s Meetings (BPMs) held four times a year.

But the root of the problem in the eastern sector is that while India recognises McMahon Line as the border with China, the Chinese don’t. They describe it as “so-called McMahon Line” which is the eastern part of the 4,057 km-long LAC extending from Ladakh in the west.

The line is named after Sir Henry McMahon, foreign secretary for British India and the chief British negotiator of the convention of 1914 in which the Simla Accord between British India and Tibet was signed. This agreement had effectively made the McMahon line the boundary between India and Tibet.

Their fears have a basis. While the Chinese have built several airports close to the McMahon line, apart from super highways that run parallel to the border, the Indian side has little to show by way of investment.

Former BJP MP Kiren Rijiju he is now with the Congress raised the issue of Chinese incursions in Parliament and expressed doubt about the preparedness of the Indian Army in the event of a conflict. For instance, there’s just one motorable road to the forward areas along the border.

Rijiju says the Chinese are intruding in a well planned manner with the objective of closing in around Arunachal Pradesh. India’s counter is by building a trans-Arunachal road. Recently, the IAF upgraded a MIG-21 pilot training base at Tezpur to a Su MK-III base. It also plans to bring in more frontline fighters into this area at a base to be developed at Chabua in Dibrugarh. Deployment of unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), too, is under consideration.

Chinese can’t ’see’ MacMahon line IDRW.ORG

 

[arya]

think 2 times

Maybe China need another 1962 to change your mindset.

sir
what are you saying china need another 1962 what a joke and what you will gain answer nothing i want to ask a simple question do you really want to see china a super power if they even think attack against India in there dream then forget your dream of super power usa want the same thing how to break dream of china

you can not make any mistake if your country want to super power

don't even think in your dream

jai hind

 

[Sridhar]

Thursday, September 17, 2009

AoA: Stop Apologising For China

If by some chance you think the media is going overboard with the China incursions issue, you only have to speak to our militarymen in Ladakh. Later today, the establishment will hold a meeting of its China Study Group, a valuable opportunity to harness the latitude provided by the overarching international perception of Chinese aggression, to make some very serious course corrections as far as India's China policy is concerned. Let's first get a few facts straight. India is no longer the reluctant, deluded, unsteady force that it was in 1962. It doesn't have the same deluded Prime Minister nor the pliant dandy of a Chief of Army Staff of that day. No matter which way you look at it, much has changed since 1962. There have been two border skirmishes with China in the 1970s and the 1980s -- both times, China was stung sharply by a radically enlivened Indian response. But this isn't about jingoism. Because there are harder facts to face. The prospect of war between India and China today should be unthinkable. And let's face the hardest fact of all: right now, it's much more unthinkable for India, than it is for our friends across the Himalayas.

For the stepping-stone latitude that the establishment allows our armed forces, the country is in a formidable position today to defend the sovereignty of India. Let's make no mistake about that. We may whine endlessly about how China far outguns India in the final bean-count -- and how India has a long way to go to match China's infrastructural aggressions in Tibet -- but if war were to break today anywhere along the Line of Actual Control, it won't be the bizarrely skewed affair that it was in 1962. We can debate endlessly about deployed mountain divisions and a scattering of artillery regiments. But the fact is, our military planners know what they're doing, and more importantly, have done the best they can within the narrow confines of what the political establishment will allow them to. That's the important thing.

But the entire exercise of our security posture would be belied and discredited, if the only way to prove our defences against China was through a war. War is not a near option, and India should do everything in its power to ensure that such an option is never exercised. One of those ways is to ramp up defences and show China that if they send troops marauding down the Tawang valley like they did in 1962, they'll be mowed down with extreme prejudice by the Indian Army's Korea Brigade. You get the picture.

But the more critical and dangerous aspect is India's inexplicably resolute policy of apology. These past few days, our political leaders have done nothing but justify China's acts of aggression. The SM Krishnas and the Shashi Tharoors of this country, when asked about China's incursions, haven't batted an eyelid before explaining that the incursions have taken place because of a difference in perception. Hold on, isn't that something we should be hearing from the Chinese? No wonder Beijing hasn't felt the need to justify its actions. With folks like our Foreign Office people, China won't ever need to.

Maybe it's only fleetingly occured to the security establishment that it is in China's interest to maintain a status quo along the Line of Actual Control. But why is it not even superficially bothered by the fact that decades pass with absolutely zero progress on the border dispute? If the meeting today has any intentions of making some hard policy course corrections, it needs to first allow the establishment to publicly recognise China's acts of aggression for what they are. Everything else must follow. The NSA's meeting is a precious opportunity to make hard decisions. And decisions taken at this precise point of time, would happily fit in with the UPA's penchant for not doing anything alarming in terms of foreign policy. They wouldn't alarm because the whole world would understand right now. Start by unequivocally denouncing China's dangerous ways. Play their game stepping up activity on the borders. For god's sake, milk the Dalai Lama-Tawang game for all it's worth -- it's a beautiful tool that we still haven't learnt how to use effectively. And if the Gurudas Dasguptas or Sitaram Yechurys of the country so much as show a hair of a pro-China stance -- I notice the hypocrites haven't dared say anything so far on the incursions -- they should be officially rebuked without mercy (if nothing more serious can be permitted).

The image of a soft power can change by the men (and woman, the Foreign Secretary) who meet at South Block today. If only they have the will to see it through. I hope Sonia Gandhi isn't advising her Prime Minister to be like her grandfather-in-law in 1962. I truly hope not. Will be reporting on the meeting today. Will post more later.

LiveFist - The Best of Indian Defence: AoA: Stop Apologising For China

 

[RPK]

http://www.hindustantimes.com/News/...op-alert-to-last-3-weeks/Article1-454626.aspx

The Indian Army on Wednesday confirmed its heightened presence on India’s border with China along the Line of Actual Control (LAC).

Hindustan Times reported on September 14 that troops and 105-mm artillery guns were being ferried to points close to the LAC.

An army officer said on condition of anonymity that the exercise had been named “Operation Alert” and a division (about
14,000-15,000 men and officers) of the army was involved in the exercise.

He said, “The exercise has begun and it will last for another two to three weeks.”

Asked whether the Chinese authorities were informed about the exercise, he said, “It is for the Ministry of External
Affairs to do so.”

The 646-km-long stretch of the LAC that falls within the Ladakh region, about 260 km northeast of Jammu and Kashmir capital Srinagar, has recently been in the news because of Chinese incursions.

The army and the government, however, maintain that incursions by both sides are routine events due to differences in perception about the LAC. But there are anxieties that repeated incursions could mean Beijing’s hardening of stand on the border issue.

The local resident, especially in the areas close to the LAC, told Hindustan Times that they had not seen such activities in recent years.

The incursions also come at a time when Beijing had expressed its objection to the proposed visit of the exiled Tibetan leader, the Dalai Lama, to Tawang in India’s northeastern state of Arunachal Pradesh, which is another point of dispute
between India and China.

 

[RPK]

Incursion indicates China's unease over India's rise: Experts

A US think-tank has said that China’s recent aggression on Indian border is direct result of Beijing’s "nervousness over India's rise."

"Well, I think China is becoming increasingly nervous about India's rise. It's something that they have to deal with that perhaps 10-15 years ago they didn't believe was something that was necessary to focus on," said Lisa Curtis of the Heritage Foundation.

We saw this when they to tried scuttle at the last minute, the civil nuclear deal at the Nuclear Supplier Group meeting last year and so that was sort of an indication that China is not completely comfortable with India's rise on the world stage," said Curtis.

Recently, two soldiers of the Indo-Tibetan Border Police (ITBP) were reportedly injured in firing from across the border on the Line of Actual Control in Arunachal Pradesh.

New Delhi, however, denied that two of its border guards were injured in firing by Chinese forces.

Curtis said both the sides were mutually mistrustful of each other on the border issue.

"The border issue has lingered for a long time and I think both sides created mistrust on both sides. Perhaps since China is dealing with its internal issue, it has not been interested in completely resolving the border issue but that said. I do not think so either side is interested in any kind of conflict. But I do not see the negotiation moving forward either," Curtis added.

India and China fought a short war in 1962 and, despite burgeoning trade in recent years, mistrust remains.

The two countries have faced off at multi-lateral forums, including Chinese objections to a 60 million dollar Asian Development Bank loan for a project in Arunachal Pradesh.

Reports of Chinese "incursions" have become more frequent of late.

India has begun modernising its border roads and moved a squadron of strike aircraft close to the China border.

 

[akhileshdixit]

Don't create war hysteria

If you watch some of indian tv channel we feel as if China has attacked. whereas we need to be fully prepare now w must focus on urgent improvement of connectivity of NER and Ladakh by Road and train. Our infantry, artilery is outdated no major procurement done, let us give most modern arms, as we know China is moderninsing both army and infrastrucyure and is way ahed. We need to speed-up our actions not words otherwise result would be same as 1962.

 

[RPK]

here come the reason for Chinese intrusion...LOL

UPA 'lethargic' on Chinese incursions: Jayalalithaa - dnaindia.com

Chennai: AIADMK chief Jayalalithaa today accused the UPA government of showing "lethargy" in handling the Chinese incursions and ceasefire breach by Pakistan, and demanded a tough approach be adopted in matters related to the national security.

She alleged that the "aggressive" neighbouring countries view India as a "softest and least assertive state" when it comes to international relations.

Terming as "alarming" the reports of Chinese incursions in certain places and firing by the Pakistani Army, Jayalalithaa said it was "pathetic" about the UPA government that even before the countries concerned went on a denial mode, India gave them a "clean chit."

"What we want is a government with steel in its spine, not jelly. Otherwise, India would become a punching bag hit around by just about anyone who takes a fancy to do so," she said in a strongly-worded statement.

Jayalalithaa said the government should have convened a meeting chaired by national security advisor MK Narayanan at least a fortnight ago when the incursions came to light

"The lethargy in even convening such a meeting of officials, all available in Delhi, is indicative of the apathy of this Union government in this issue," she alleged.

 

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Chinese incursions: Govt puts off meet, BJP seeks white paper

17 September 2009, 10:14pm IST

NEW DELHI: The Indian government put off a high-level meeting of officials that was to be held on Thursday to discuss alleged Chinese border intrusions.

The meeting was expected to be chaired by National Security Adviser M K Narayanan. cabinet secretary K M Chandrasekhar, defence secretary Pradeep Kumar, home secretary G K Pillai and foreign secretary Nirupama Rao were to attend.

No reason was given for its postponement. But reliable sources said this followed differences between the external affairs ministry and the Prime Minister's Office on the one hand and the defence ministry on the other.

The external affairs ministry has publicly tried to downplay the reported incursions, saying they are routine incidents that occur due to variations in perception about the Line of Actual Control (LAC), which de facto marks the Sino-Indian frontier.

External affairs minister S M Krishna has cautioned against creating "excessive alarm" over the reported developments and stressed that India's border with China had been "most peaceful".

The defence ministry has pitched for a more assertive approach vis-a-vis the alleged incursions, which Beijing has denied.

The defence ministry wants curbs on army patrolling of the border lifted and a more pro-active approach towards building border infrastructure that lags far behind China's.

Currently, there are patrolling restrictions in certain "sensitive areas" of LAC to avoid possible clashes with Chinese troops.

AIADMK chief Jayalalitha on Thursday accused the Congress-led government of lethargy in dealing with the Chinese incursions and ceasefire violations by Pakistan.

She described reports about Chinese intrusions in certain places and firing by the Pakistani Army as "alarming" and contended that India gave these countries a clean chit even before they went into a denial mode.

"What we want is a government with steel in its spine, not jelly. Otherwise, India would become a punching bag, hit around by just about anyone who takes a fancy to do so," she said in a statement.

India and China have held 13 rounds of talks to resolve the border row that led to a war in 1962. But this has led to little progress, with both sides reiterating their stated positions.

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