India and the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO)

Should India get permanant membership in the SCO?

  • Yes, India should join SCO as full member

    Votes: 15 55.6%
  • No, India's observer status is enough

    Votes: 10 37.0%
  • Not now, but maybe in the future

    Votes: 2 7.4%

  • Total voters
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A.V.

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the thing is this in recent times India has played the diplomacy better than any other country , they are eating all over but not commiting to any of the wings neither russia nor america can say that they can have a say on indian foreign diplomacy at this level.

Money speaks , walks talks and does more than we can imagine and as the economic difference between pakistan and india grows the more either of these worlds will sway towards india .

India is under a war since the last 20 years sponsored by pakistan state terrorism machinery but at the same time the economic , diplomatic and media war pakistan is under has just one result.
 

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In short we hold all the keys 8)
Yes, India is like a beautiful girl every man wants to marry right now. However, play such geo game is tricky and sometimes back fire. Those dirty "men", be it Russian or American, could dump their new girl friend very quickly. India need be like a grown up man stands strong and tall
 

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What happened to Non Alignment. Just stay the hell out of all this nonsense. When the shit hits the fan, its better to not be in the room.
If any nation is a direct threat, we should face up ourselves. Its been 65 years since Independence. Time we stopped our dependence to stay Independent. At the end of the day Russians, Chinese and Americans all only lookout for themselves.
 

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Weren't the Non-aligned countries aligned with each other?
 

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Weren't the Non-aligned countries aligned with each other?
Nope. They were just a group of countries that weren't aligned to anyone. The essence was that no one in that group would meddle in the internal or external affairs of any other nation. If help was sought and was available to spare, then yes. But not military support.
 

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the thing is this in recent times India has played the diplomacy better than any other country , they are eating all over but not commiting to any of the wings neither russia nor america can say that they can have a say on indian foreign diplomacy at this level.

Money speaks , walks talks and does more than we can imagine and as the economic difference between pakistan and india grows the more either of these worlds will sway towards india .

India is under a war since the last 20 years sponsored by pakistan state terrorism machinery but at the same time the economic , diplomatic and media war pakistan is under has just one result.
that's the best thing to do. keep the cards close to heart and never reveal. keep milking everyone.

but i was under the impression that india did show interest in joining the SCO recently, officially requested to be inducted some months back when the speculation was ripe for india and pakistan's imminent entry into the SCO (may or june). Ejaz posted one such article, where krishna was quoted making an official request, i clearly recall. hope he can show up here and post that article.

rather than be on the passive, which is what we have done in the past, it is best to work with the US on multilateral foras in SEA/asia-pacific, and work closely with russia and china through SCO. joining SCO and working with japan/australia/RoK/US all at the same time shouldnt be that big a headache.

i do want to see india emerge in a situation where we do start calling shots, though not too overtly for now.
 

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SCO will a good idea for India only if India and China could settle their border disputes
 

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india is getting pressurized by the situation and polity not by other countries. kabhi toh bade desh ki tarah sochna shuru karo, ab bhi maan ke chal raheho ki koi dusra pressure dalega
Situation & polity, very vague terms. We expect more from media reports.
 

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It would only be beneficial if pakis are kept out and china sorts itself out and iran also joins with its ally syria.

things could get heated up then :)
 
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Russia calls to speed up India and Pakistan joining SCO

Russia calls to speed up India and Pakistan joining SCO — RT

In an effort to add some muscle to the regional economic bloc, Russia is looking to expedite India and Pakistan's membership process into the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO).
Acting Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said delaying the decision on the accession of India and Pakistan was "counter-productive." He made his comments while taking part in a meeting of foreign ministers of SCO member states in Beijing on Friday.
"We should take an active part in all international discussions on Afghanistan, coordinating our positions and stressing the SCO's readiness to contribute to efforts by the international community aimed at the political and economic revival of Afghanistan," Lavrov said.
The SCO, which was officially established in 2001, includes Russia, China, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan.
India, Iran, Mongolia and Pakistan presently have observer status, while Afghanistan and Turkmenistan attend SCO meetings as guest nations.
Lavrov said that an international conference on Afghanistan will take place in the Afghan capital of Kabul on June 14.
The acting minister stressed that granting SCO observer status to Afghanistan would help achieve these goals.
China has held the organization's rotating presidency since August 1, 2011.
 

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Why is Russia so eager and China equally disinterested?
Do the Russians see SCO as a potential BRICS cousin?
 
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Why is Russia so eager and China equally disinterested?
Do the Russians see SCO as a potential BRIC cousin?
Russia probably wants SCO to have a military angle. This way USA has NATO
Defence market and Russia has SCO defence market.
 

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Are we looking at a common ammo and equipment like NATO ?
 
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Are we looking at a common ammo and equipment like NATO ?
One supplier usually means commonality. India and China
already have many Russian weapons in common to a point:
Sukhois,S-300,Smerches etc...
 

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Only one of us can join..im sure everyone in sco would prefer India than useless pakis.
 

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China won't agree on India unless their pet is let in alongside.
Russians would play ball to it. I think its either both India-Pak or none.
 

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Iranian president to attend SCO meeting in China - Trend

Azerbaijan, Baku, May 22 / Trend, E.Tariverdiyeva, T.Jafarov /
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad will attend the 12th meeting of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), to be held in Beijing on June 6-7, head of Iranian Presidential Administration's international department Mohammad Reza Forghani, the Hamshahrionline newspaper reports.

Chinese leader Hu Jintao will chair the SCO meeting. The meeting will be attended by delegations from SCO member countries and observer countries, as well as representatives of international organizations.

The SCO was established on Jan.15, 2011 by China, Russia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan. Iran has observer status in the SCO.


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My Question: Shall Iran become a member of SCO? Will it be in Russia and China's interest?
 

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Importance of India joining as a full member of the SCO

New Delhi has sought a greater role in the SCO for three years but India is unlikely to become a full member into the regional security group at the SCO's 12th summit of the heads of state in Beijing, believes expert Dadan Upadhyay.



India is unlikely to be inducted as a full member into the regional security group, the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), at its 12th summit of the heads of state in Chinese capital Beijing on June 6-7.

New Delhi has already been knocking at the grouping's door for the last three years as it sought a greater role in the SCO, in the light of fast changing geo-political situation in the region, in particular, in view of the planned US withdrawal from Afghanistan by the end of 2014. The possibility of an increase in the number of prospective partners of the SCO in the near future, India's admission into the organization has rather gained an imperative importance.

However, the statement made by Chinese Vice-Foreign Minister Cheng Guoping on Wednesday in Beijing ruled out any decision on admitting India along with other observer members in the SCO at the summit in Beijing, stressing that there was no fixed timeframe for the expansion of the membership.

"The relevant countries should work hard towards political, legal and technical preparations for the full membership," Cheng told media persons.

"The relevant work is going on about expansion of membership. The decision should be made through consensus and consultation, and no timetable should be set. That is to say, when the conditions are ripe, the decision should be made through consensus," he said.

Currently, India holds an observer status in the organization, while it awaits the final decision on its application for the full membership of the SCO.

Joining the SCO as a full member will enable India to be a part of one of the world's most powerful regional groups and increase the level of multilateral economic cooperation and the flow of trade and energy resources. It will also align India's national security interests with that of region's countries, especially of Russia and China.

"Indian interests in Central Asia fully coincide with the interests of the SCO member-states, and India's goals meet the organization's objectives," according to Dr Alexander Lukin, Director of the Center for East Asian and Shanghai Cooperation Organization Studies at the Moscow State Institute of International Relations (MGIMO).

India believes when it becomes a full member of the organization, it can involve itself with a greater participation in the six-member state security grouping's counter-terrorist manoeuvres with massive air-and-ground exercises against armed radical Islamic militant groups in the region. Full membership will also enable New Delhi to closely interact with the SCO's Regional Counter-Terrorism Structure (RCTS) based in the Uzbekistan capital Tashkent and other regular meetings of the organizations including ministerial level trade and economic summits.

Created in Shanghai in 2001, the SCO includes Russia, China and four former Soviet Central Asian Republics of Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan and Tajikistan as full members. India, Pakistan, Iran and Mongolia have observer status while Turkmenistan and Afghanistan participate in the meetings of organization as guest countries and Belarus and Sri Lanka have the status of dialogue partners.

At present, while India, Pakistan and Mongolia are eligible for full membership, Iran is not because it is under a string of UN sanctions in relation to its controversial nuclear programmes.

India joined the SCO as an observer member at the 5th summit in July 2005 in Kazakhstan capital Astana. With its historic links to "Silk Road" and economic growth and strong IT sector, India is undoubtedly poised today to immensely contribute to the economic prosperity of region. Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh for the first time took part in the SCO summit in the Russian city of Yekaterinburg in 2009, signaling the increasing importance of the SCO at regional as well as global level.

Ahead of the heads of state summit in Beijing, the SCO Foreign Ministers at their meeting in Beijing on May 11, had reiterated that the grouping should create a bigger role for observer members and dialogue partners within the SCO framework.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov called on the meeting to speed up the process of admitting India and Pakistan as full members into the SCO, warning that any further delay in final decision on this issue would be "counterproductive."

This is not for the first time that Russia as a main supporter of India's full membership in the organization, raised the issue of inducting New Delhi into the SCO as a full member. It has always championed the admission of India into the organization to balance Beijing's dominance and reinforce the SCO's political clout.

Most recently, in April, after the triangular meeting of the Foreign Ministers of Russia, India, China (RIC) in Moscow, Lavrov said that India with its billion-strong population plays a very important role in the Shanghai regional group and Russia backed India's full membership in the organization. He also expressed the hope that after the finalization of the legal, organizational and financial aspects of admitting new members in a "short time," a decision to admit India and Pakistan in the SCO would be taken.

According to some Indian political observers, Lavrov's warning that delay in final decision on granting India full membership would be "counterproductive" indicated some "resistance" within the SCO members to admit new countries in the organization as full members.

Earlier, media reports said some smaller member-states, including Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan, were opposed to expanding the SCO as they were apprehensive of new members to the effect that they may inject their own issues and disputes into the organization and divert the attention of grouping from finding a solution to their own issues.

While Russia and Kazakhstan have been strongly supportive to include India as a full member in the organization, China is reported to have long resisted SCO expansion, insisting more on "procedures" in order to admit new members. But the planned US withdrawal from Afghanistan and fear of spill-over of instability to the neighboring countries in the region, have ultimately convinced the SCO member-states to review its stand on admitting new members.

According to Russian media reports, at the SCO summit in Beijing, a whole range of programme documents is on the cards to be signed, including the Declaration of heads of SCO state on creating the region of enduring peace and common prosperity, and granting Afghanistan an observer status in the organization, which applied for the status in April, 2011.

India believes besides Afghanistan, an expanded SCO could encourage Pakistan to eliminate terrorist groups on its territory which may also promote economic cooperation among the countries in the region. With its greater involvement with the SCO, Afghanistan can become the "geostrategic bridge" between Central and South Asia as well as a trade and transit hub.

India also feels it will immediately gain economically by becoming a part of the trans-Asian infrastructure linkages and energy delivery systems being planned by China, Russia, Tajikistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan.

With Russia announcing plans for a common Customs Union, India's trade initiatives could be more fruitful, especially with some other countries expected to join the initiative. Apparently becoming a full member of the SCO will impart greater "visibility" to India in the Eurasian Economic Community.

Dadan Upadhyay is a senior Indian journalist based in Moscow.
Importance of India joining as a full member of the SCO | Russia & India Report
 

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