IN Scorpene Submarines - News & Discussions

[Wisemarko]

Thanks for the article but it's from 2017 & related to Poland seeking to buy the Scorpenes. Thought of bringing this to your notice given you may be well intentioned but don't come across as the sharpest tool in the shed or even the brightest bulb in the showroom.

Since then things haven't moved much & Naval Group , TKMS / HDW & Hanwha Ocean [formerly Daewoo Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering] and Hyundai Heavy Industries are still slugging it out for the order. This is for your information.

It’s the details in the article that are very relevant. Are you the guy who doesn’t know the difference between a submarine and a tractor? No need to respond, I already know the answer.

 

[Azaad]

It’s the details in the article that are very relevant. Are you the guy who doesn’t know the difference between a submarine and a tractor? No need to respond, I already know the answer.

Irrelevant comparison boyo. We haven't opted for their AIP system nor does our Scorpene come equipped to discharge LACMs & AShCMs that's Land Attack Cruise Missiles & Anti Ship Cruise Missiles for you, like what Poland wanted. You were saying something about Tractors & Subs, boyo.

Say are you sure you don't have Irish genes in you? You certainly come across as someone who does. Besides if you're sure how come you're so sure ?

 

[Wisemarko]

nor does our Scorpene come equipped to discharge LACMs & AShCM

France ready to offer naval SCALP missile with three Scorpene subs

The naval cruise missile has a range of 1000 kms after being launched from a Scorpene class submarine.

www.hindustantimes.com

That aged well

 

[Fatalis]

Naval Group working on qualifying DRDO-developed Air Independent Propulsion system for installation on Scorpenes

Naval Group invests ₹100cr in 3 workshops for Scorpene submarines. MoU signed between India and France for 3 additional Scorpenes. DRDO-developed AIP system to enhance endurance of the submarines

www.thehindu.com

 

[vampyrbladez]

Naval Group working on qualifying DRDO-developed Air Independent Propulsion system for installation on Scorpenes

Naval Group invests ₹100cr in 3 workshops for Scorpene submarines. MoU signed between India and France for 3 additional Scorpenes. DRDO-developed AIP system to enhance endurance of the submarines

www.thehindu.com

First actual serious step taken by the Indian Navy towards replacing the Shishumar Class submarines.

Post 2028-29, design of Project 76 will be complete and we can finally produce our own SSN in large numbers.

 

[BON PLAN]

First actual serious step taken by the Indian Navy towards replacing the Shishumar Class submarines.

Post 2028-29, design of Project 76 will be complete and we can finally produce our own SSN in large numbers.

I think India better option is to order more Scorpene (6 more than the 6 + 3 of today), scrap the project of purchasing another SSK, and boost the SSN project, in time and in Qty (8 units instead of 6).

 

[v952010]

 

[Azaad]

I think India better option is to order more Scorpene (6 more than the 6 + 3 of today), scrap the project of purchasing another SSK, and boost the SSN project, in time and in Qty (8 units instead of 6).

The Scorpenes fulfill a different requirement & Project -75 (I) a different requirement. The IN has mapped this out carefully & they're the most meticulous of all 3 armed forces in terms of planning & execution of those plans especially given their share of the defence budget is the smallest. There's not going to be any change in those plans.

NG has only itself to blame for considering themselves short changed. Had they not played dirty or even been more vigilant regarding those leaks , they'd be executing a further order of 6 nos Scorpenes as per the original IN plans for our submarine fleet .

They ought to consider themselves lucky they got 3 more . Thanks to the usual issues at MoD , IN didn't have a choice but to exercise the option for another 3 nos against their will.

 

[Adm Kenobi]

Lots of assumptions, the majority of them are wrong.

 

[Azaad]

Lots of assumptions, the majority of them are wrong.

List out the wrongs.

 

[Adm Kenobi]

List out the wrongs.

No.

 

[Azaad]

No.

Then why shoot off your mouth .

 

[Adm Kenobi]

I did not.

 

[Blademaster]

I did not.

How laconic of you

 

[Fatalis]

Contract for three more Scorpene submarines likely by end-2024; first delivery expected by 2031

Navy to get 3 new Scorpene-class submarines by 2024; 1st delivery in 2031. Procurement process to start shortly after DAC's Acceptance of Necessity. Submarines to come with DRDO-developed AIP system, higher indigenous content. Naval Group, MDL sign MoU for cooperation on 3 submarines. Navy has...

www.thehindu.com

 

[jai jaganath]

Contract for three more Scorpene submarines likely by end-2024; first delivery expected by 2031

Navy to get 3 new Scorpene-class submarines by 2024; 1st delivery in 2031. Procurement process to start shortly after DAC's Acceptance of Necessity. Submarines to come with DRDO-developed AIP system, higher indigenous content. Naval Group, MDL sign MoU for cooperation on 3 submarines. Navy has...

www.thehindu.com

So till 2031 we will be receiving no subs
Noice!
And what's the benefit of trained workers again we will miss the bus

 

[Fatalis]

MDL has already delivered five boats of this class, the sixth and last boat is currently undergoing sea trials and scheduled for delivery in March 2024. Refit of the first submarine, INS Kalvari, is targeted around mid 2025, the scope of refit and fitment of DRDO AIP system will depend upon it being proven on an underwater platform.

 

[Azaad]

Interesting documentary tracing the evolution of the Scorpene class & it's journey down the years including the sales to various countries some of whom were customers of Thyssen Krupp / HDW before.

 

[WolfPack86]

Super Kalvari 3000: Indian Navy’s Plans for Bigger Conventional Submarine
Last year, the Indian Navy released a video displaying its capabilities in designing and manufacturing Naval assets and in a split second clip showcased a submarine design that is similar to the present diesel-electric attack Kalvari Class submarine that is based on the Scorpène-class submarine’s design of French and Spanish origin but at a closer look it has two important modular sections that are not part of the Kalvari Class design.

Often called Super Kalvari, diesel-electric attack submarines showcased showed the addition of the Fuel Cell-based Air Independent Propulsion (AIP) System module and addition of 8 missiles in each 4-cell Vertical Launch module that will house BrahMos SLCM or the Nirbhay Sub-sonic cruise missile. In the cutout comparison above even Internals of both the submarines have been redone showing new design changes in the bigger Super Kalvari class that seems to be on the design board.

Kalvari class has an overall length of 66.4m but with the addition of two modules, Super Kalvari will have an estimated overall length of 100m+ that will make it have a submerged displacement of over 3000 tons that will be nearly twice that than the presently submerged displacement of the Kalvari class submarine.

Brazil has used baseline Scorpène-class submarine design and used it to develop a Nuclear attack submarine that will have a submerged displacement of over 8000 tons that confirms that Scorpène-class submarine design is scalable and can be developed into a bigger submarine. France had proposed Scorpène+ class submarine design initially under Indian Navy’s Project-75I but later offered SMX 3.0 concept that has a displacement of 3,000 tons.

Indian Navy will be issuing a Request for Proposal (RFP) for six advanced submarines for the Indian Navy under Project-75I in the next few weeks and it will be interesting to see what kind of submarines vendors will be invited to send their proposals. Coming back to Super Kalvari, the Navy has not confirmed about the program nor has given out details if it will become under Project-75I or Project-76, but recent push to locally develop Lithium-Ion battery system, 5MW Electric Propulsion motor and with successfully trial of the air-independent propulsion (AIP), India is advancing its capabilities to manufacture its own diesel-electric in near future.

Super Kalvari 3000: Indian Navy’s Plans for Bigger Conventional Submarine - ELE Times

Last year, the Indian Navy released a video displaying its capabilities in designing and manufacturing Naval assets and in a split second

www.eletimes.com

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Super Kalvari 3000: Indian Navy’s Plans for Bigger Conventional Submarine
Last year, the Indian Navy released a video displaying its capabilities in designing and manufacturing Naval assets and in a split second clip showcased a submarine design that is similar to the present diesel-electric attack Kalvari Class submarine that is based on the Scorpène-class submarine’s design of French and Spanish origin but at a closer look it has two important modular sections that are not part of the Kalvari Class design.

Often called Super Kalvari, diesel-electric attack submarines showcased showed the addition of the Fuel Cell-based Air Independent Propulsion (AIP) System module and addition of 8 missiles in each 4-cell Vertical Launch module that will house BrahMos SLCM or the Nirbhay Sub-sonic cruise missile. In the cutout comparison above even Internals of both the submarines have been redone showing new design changes in the bigger Super Kalvari class that seems to be on the design board.

Kalvari class has an overall length of 66.4m but with the addition of two modules, Super Kalvari will have an estimated overall length of 100m+ that will make it have a submerged displacement of over 3000 tons that will be nearly twice that than the presently submerged displacement of the Kalvari class submarine.

Brazil has used baseline Scorpène-class submarine design and used it to develop a Nuclear attack submarine that will have a submerged displacement of over 8000 tons that confirms that Scorpène-class submarine design is scalable and can be developed into a bigger submarine. France had proposed Scorpène+ class submarine design initially under Indian Navy’s Project-75I but later offered SMX 3.0 concept that has a displacement of 3,000 tons.

Indian Navy will be issuing a Request for Proposal (RFP) for six advanced submarines for the Indian Navy under Project-75I in the next few weeks and it will be interesting to see what kind of submarines vendors will be invited to send their proposals. Coming back to Super Kalvari, the Navy has not confirmed about the program nor has given out details if it will become under Project-75I or Project-76, but recent push to locally develop Lithium-Ion battery system, 5MW Electric Propulsion motor and with successfully trial of the air-independent propulsion (AIP), India is advancing its capabilities to manufacture its own diesel-electric in near future.

Super Kalvari 3000: Indian Navy’s Plans for Bigger Conventional Submarine - ELE Times

Last year, the Indian Navy released a video displaying its capabilities in designing and manufacturing Naval assets and in a split second

www.eletimes.com

Indigenously designed or foreign licensed production?