How credible is India's second strike capability. Explained in one picture

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With K-4 still in development, the only credible nuclear second strike capability India has is via K-15 sagarika (If already deployed on INS Arihant) .
The missile is unique in an odd way. Also has no stage separation after booster drops off, thus creating a very large radar signature as whole 10 meter long missile has to go to the target .Same as Prithvi which has, no stage separation as maneuver is done by movable fins mounted in what should have been disposable first stage.
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awww ......Jahil madarsachap Paki ................that is shaurya missile ...............:rofl::rofl::rofl:

it has fins because it is a Cruise-ballistic missile Hybrid and not a pure SLBM ............

it can fly 5-10 meter above surface & remain undetected by radar ..............
this is why this is unique .:india::india:







^ this is K-15 sagarika ............

and also K-4 is already developed ...................K-4 is a pure SLBM which does not have Fins .

and k-4 has speed of mach 24+ .:india2::india2::india2:







and jahil Pakis dont have any SLBM so they are Happy for Chinese SLBM like a cheerleader , so much inferiority complex :pound: :pound::pound::pound:


 
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With K-4 still in development, the only credible nuclear second strike capability India has is via K-15 sagarika (If already deployed on INS Arihant) .
The missile is unique in an odd way. Also has no stage separation after booster drops off, thus creating a very large radar signature as whole 10 meter long missile has to go to the target .Same as Prithvi which has, no stage separation as maneuver is done by movable fins mounted in what should have been disposable first stage.
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Nope. Pakistani desperation in one picture.

You really have to stop marinating in ISPR propaganda material. Atleast read propaganda with someone who has a fair bit of common sense and knowledge. The Indian missile in the picture is a cruise missile. Not a ballistic missile. This picture explains nothing but Pakistani ignorance and desperation to achieve parity with India.

Back to the drawing board you go....

Hate to do this but can't help it...

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With K-4 still in development, the only credible nuclear second strike capability India has is via K-15 sagarika (If already deployed on INS Arihant) .
The missile is unique in an odd way. Also has no stage separation after booster drops off, thus creating a very large radar signature as whole 10 meter long missile has to go to the target .Same as Prithvi which has, no stage separation as maneuver is done by movable fins mounted in what should have been disposable first stage.
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It can very much be launched from any rough see and It does not have MIRV because India has not yet developed MIRV. When we will develop that, It will go in all of our missiles. It travels in atmosphere and looses height as it approaches target. It travels at mach 8 at very low altitude and impossible to intercept. Forget about K 15, even K4 has almost ZERO CEP. We can doom any target from a great distance with pin point accuracy. Who told you that it can not be fired from a depth bellow 10 m. Many K 15 tasts were carried out from much greater depth. 200 KT bomb is a small bomb?

You said that other missiles travels at Mach 18 and K 15 travels at mach 8. DO you understand the difference between Depressed trajectory missile and and ballastic missile? Agni missiles have terminal velocity of Mach 24 and not just 18 but still K series missiles are much more advance than Agni. The whole world has a trend of making Depressed trajectory missiles and very few can make it. Neither your paint in green country of your master china will be able to make missile like this for many years to come.
 
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With K-4 still in development, the only credible nuclear second strike capability India has is via K-15 sagarika (If already deployed on INS Arihant) .
The missile is unique in an odd way. Also has no stage separation after booster drops off, thus creating a very large radar signature as whole 10 meter long missile has to go to the target .Same as Prithvi which has, no stage separation as maneuver is done by movable fins mounted in what should have been disposable first stage.
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Look at the videos of missiles you have posted and look how K15 comes out of water very straight as if it is not changing medium. Show me any lauch as clean as K 15.
 

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Look at the videos of missiles you have posted and look how K15 comes out of water very straight as if it is not changing medium. Show me any lauch as clean as K 15.
That's because it needs to be bottom heavy for any chance of self righting as no thrust vectoring. Weight of booster at the bottom keeps it straight.
But in heavy swell in bad weather at sea, this won't be enough.
 

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That's because it needs to be bottom heavy for any chance of self righting as no thrust vectoring. Weight of booster at the bottom keeps it straight.
But in heavy swell in bad weather at sea, this won't be enough.
You are joking right?

First, define bad weather. What is the type of weather you think will make the launch of this missile a failure?

Second, no country is stupid enough to place their nuke subs near potential Low pressure areas where potential cyclones can form. It will be moved away, to another classified location outside of the Low pressure path. It's common sense. Civilians have weather forecasts upto a week in advance. You think military doesn't look into that?

Unless you are launching the missile right through a F4 category tornado it should be fine. show me proof of launches in bad weather which you think will be a failure
 

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With K-4 still in development, the only credible nuclear second strike capability India has is via K-15 sagarika (If already deployed on INS Arihant) .
The missile is unique in an odd way. Also has no stage separation after booster drops off, thus creating a very large radar signature as whole 10 meter long missile has to go to the target .Same as Prithvi which has, no stage separation as maneuver is done by movable fins mounted in what should have been disposable first stage.
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We have both land base and sea based missiles in second strike a part from SLBM and SLCM. K15 is underwater SLBM. Now with or without fins, it can send our gifts to intended targets. If you want to track it best of luck.

Btw for your info k15 was tested 12 times from Arihant and K4 had two ejection tests. Waiting for more tests now.

For small country like Pakistan, our ship based Dhanush missiles are enough to fire from high seas. Agni 1 fired from middle of India and Railway tunnels in MP can hide them and when need be, deliver our package of love to Pakistan.
 

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You are joking right?

First, define bad weather. What is the type of weather you think will make the launch of this missile a failure?

Second, no country is stupid enough to place their nuke subs near potential Low pressure areas where potential cyclones can form. It will be moved away, to another classified location outside of the Low pressure path. It's common sense. Civilians have weather forecasts upto a week in advance. You think military doesn't look into that?

Unless you are launching the missile right through a F4 category tornado it should be fine. show me proof of launches in bad weather which you think will be a failure
I have spent 9 years at sea , so know what i am on about. Swells can be very high even without winds. The perfectly calm sea from where the showcase test of K-15 was recorded is only ideal situation not even normal at high seas.
Launch can be done from harbors and coastal bays where similar conditions exist ,same as chinese used to do with their original Ballistic missile subs which stayed near coastal waters.
 

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I have spent 9 years at sea , so know what i am on about. Swells can be very high even without winds. The perfectly calm sea from where the showcase test of K-15 was recorded is only ideal situation not even normal at high seas.
Launch can be done from harbors and coastal bays where similar conditions exist ,same as chinese used to do with their original Ballistic missile subs which stayed near coastal waters.
That was a test conducted to validate the system and to collect the operational data. That test was not meant to impress you or anybody.

Are you phishing for the information on this forum? We can't tell you anything more than what is available publicly. We trust the data/specifications which are available publicly.

And, don't start a thread with such a badly researched post.
 

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Who told you that it can not be fired from a depth bellow 10 m..
That conclusion was deduced from watching this dry test video. This is the naval version being test on land as evident from the cap.
Look at the height it gains from gas generator push,which isnt much and then the booster motor fires up at about the height of missiles length after it leaves the tube. So after 10 meter ejection the booster has to start and it only starts outside of water. Henc eth submarine must have to be less than 10 meters below water for the missile to clear water and fire up the booster,

 

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@safriz Abey moron it's first stage booster..it gets separated after getting to certain altitude...
 

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In case of bad weather at sea, we will launch it half and hour later. It will give few additional breaths to your Generals.
We are in no hurry to send them to their 72.
Avoid mocking beliefs and discuss the topic at hand.
 

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That conclusion was deduced from watching this dry test video. This is the naval version being test on land as evident from the cap.
Look at the height it gains from gas generator push,which isnt much and then the booster motor fires up at about the height of missiles length after it leaves the tube. So after 10 meter ejection the booster has to start and it only starts outside of water. Henc eth submarine must have to be less than 10 meters below water for the missile to clear water and fire up the booster,

I'm saying again you are showing a a land based missile called shourya...K family missiles are different
 

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I'm saying again you are showing a a land based missile called shourya...K family missiles are different
Yes i read you and many others told the same on my twitter handle. But this test shows the cap being blown off which is only used on Sea version. Land version doesnt need the cap and had different much simpler tube.
 
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