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from a rational point of view the statements are nothing to do with/about imposing beliefs on others but provocations from agents provocateur to stir chaos and instigate riotous situations. and from another rational point of view the blanket BELIEF that all religious beliefs are superstitious is in itself a superstition and a popular fundamentalist(ic) stereotype.

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He meant all faiths like Marxism etc!

It is a shame that Indian media has almost no stars who can vouch for vegetarianism. Seems like people have bought too much into western factory produced culture.

But coming back to the topic. SG kinds are just spewing venom to stay relevant, since negative publicity is also publicity. Her husband has already been fired once and I am sure that if Modi wins second time most of these guys will become completely irrelevant.
 

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He meant all faiths like Marxism etc!

It is a shame that Indian media has almost no stars who can vouch for vegetarianism. Seems like people have bought too much into western factory produced culture.

But coming back to the topic. SG kinds are just spewing venom to stay relevant, since negative publicity is also publicity. Her husband has already been fired once and I am sure that if Modi wins second time most of these guys will become completely irrelevant.
yes i forgot to mention that!

tweets from saga n all are i think tweets of revenge if put simplistically. she's been a doll of the hawks of SM since long and earned the title of 'internet bimbo' from her favourite tribe 'internet hindus'. each (subsequent) tweet of hers reeks of it being a desperate attempt to get back at her 'fans'.

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He meant all faiths like Marxism etc!

It is a shame that Indian media has almost no stars who can vouch for vegetarianism. Seems like people have bought too much into western factory produced culture.

But coming back to the topic. SG kinds are just spewing venom to stay relevant, since negative publicity is also publicity. Her husband has already been fired once and I am sure that if Modi wins second time most of these guys will become completely irrelevant.
There is no other way to put it- BJP and RSS are completely incompetent. Even DMDK, Tamil Nadu's congress division (jokers who lost deposit in every constituency they fought except Kanyakumari) have local news channel to spew propaganda while xtian filth have their own propaganda channel to spew crap straight out of Vatican against India called satiyam news channel. But bjp does not!


What's worse, these dogs don't even protect their own supporters/sympathisers who expose the secular filth and anti nationals in social media. Even now, when AAP sponsored logical Indian continues to spew hatred against Hindus, Hindu culture, Hindu rights and India , the pages exposing their hypocrisy often face "hate page" charges and often face huge harassments, for instance pages like - "Fastest growing religion - 2+2= 4" have been banned twice now.

If these incompetent dogs can't even protect their own supporters and free speech in social media ,why should we entrust national security to these Buffoons?
 

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yes i forgot to mention that!

tweets from saga n all are i think tweets of revenge if put simplistically. she's been a doll of the hawks of SM since long and earned the title of 'internet bimbo' from her favourite tribe 'internet hindus'. each (subsequent) tweet of hers reeks of it being a desperate attempt to get back at her 'fans'.

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I think Bihar elections will decide the fate of Modi Sarkar for next one year. If BJP wins I expect many journalists to cross over and become somewhat positive for Modi govt. If they loose, then it will be all downhill from there.

Actually this current incident should be looked at in connection with Bihar elections. The media is making last pitch effort to consolidate secular votes by hate mongering. I would expect it to fade down a bit after Bihar elections.
 

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There is no other way to put it- BJP and RSS are completely incompetent. Even DMDK, Tamil Nadu's congress division (jokers who lost deposit in every constituency they fought except Kanyakumari) have local news channel to spew propaganda while xtian filth have their own propaganda channel to spew crap straight out of Vatican against India called satiyam news channel. But bjp does not!


What's worse, these dogs don't even protect their own supporters/sympathisers who expose the secular filth and anti nationals in social media. Even now, when AAP sponsored logical Indian continues to spew hatred against Hindus, Hindu culture, Hindu rights and India , the pages exposing their hypocrisy often face "hate page" charges and often face huge harassments, for instance pages like - "Fastest growing religion - 2+2= 4" have been banned twice now.

If these incompetent dogs can't even protect their own supporters and free speech in social media ,why should we entrust national security to these Buffoons?
RSS is backward in its thinking because it has a weird notion about how India works. They are still not buying the labor reforms which BJP is trying to sell.

I forgot the name of the poster here but who suggested to give you phone numbers of Bajrang Dal etc. if you fear Muslims too much. This thinking is too deep inside RSS circles to fight with arms rather than brains and you can infer that by the organizations that RSS comes up with- BD, VHP etc. I do not think they have any organization to change the national discourse.

If you see the tomfoolery of RSS spokespersons on tv debates, you would always find them whining that they have not been correctly represented on tv. Ofcourse, you won't be represented if you do not market yourself well. And the recent cross-over from RSS to BJP, Ram Madhav was giving interviews to the same media persons who loathe BJP and RSS. Do you really expect such people to change the narrative!!

The only sanity is that Modi govt. has likes of Doval in his group, which generates some confidence. Modi neglecting media till now has been a decent strategy, but sooner or later he needs to amend it.
 

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There is no other way to put it- BJP and RSS are completely incompetent. Even DMDK, Tamil Nadu's congress division (jokers who lost deposit in every constituency they fought except Kanyakumari) have local news channel to spew propaganda while xtian filth have their own propaganda channel to spew crap straight out of Vatican against India called satiyam news channel. But bjp does not!


What's worse, these dogs don't even protect their own supporters/sympathisers who expose the secular filth and anti nationals in social media. Even now, when AAP sponsored logical Indian continues to spew hatred against Hindus, Hindu culture, Hindu rights and India , the pages exposing their hypocrisy often face "hate page" charges and often face huge harassments, for instance pages like - "Fastest growing religion - 2+2= 4" have been banned twice now.

If these incompetent dogs can't even protect their own supporters and free speech in social media ,why should we entrust national security to these Buffoons?
they can't protect their workers themselves or decimate their enemies, and nor can publicise about the absolute anarchy going on in some states, what to talk of support for their supporters.
you remember the killing of an RSS leader sept. last year in kerala by hauling bombs at his jeep and then showering with some more bombs and bullets on him? commie marauders celebrated its anniversay recently by slitting the throats of three dogs and hanging their bodies at the very same spot of the murder amid full commie fanfare! this is the fate being meted out to these fellows. [emoji35] [emoji36]

and the silence over these things not by just over-and-ever-concerned media and our mental gymnasts adds much insult to the injury!

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I think Bihar elections will decide the fate of Modi Sarkar for next one year. If BJP wins I expect many journalists to cross over and become somewhat positive for Modi govt. If they loose, then it will be all downhill from there.

Actually this current incident should be looked at in connection with Bihar elections. The media is making last pitch effort to consolidate secular votes by hate mongering. I would expect it to fade down a bit after Bihar elections.
booth-capturing (its called something akin area grabbing in bengali parlance) is already in full swing there by tmc! good luck to BJP!

BTW, you had written about no media person to represent vegetarians' case. this lady has literally has kept standing like a lonewolf against the hypocrisy of the naach-gaana waalas. much respect! those of you who are teetar-hunters (ie, present on twitter), please show your support to her:



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I forgot the name of the poster here but who suggested to give you phone numbers of Bajrang Dal etc. if you fear Muslims too much. This thinking is too deep inside RSS circles to fight with arms rather than brains and you can infer that by the organizations that RSS comes up with- BD, VHP etc.
It was that genius @blueblood who said that. That moron was also very enthused that Nepal has been acting anti India in the back off India thread. He is the typical example of the people I was talking about when I said Internet has not changed some Hindus who want to remain stupid and pathetic and not even out of ignorance, but by choice. I really was not counting on this level of patheticity from Hindus really when I though internet would solve this among Hindus. An average street dweller living on propaganda from MSM being pathetic is atleast tolerable since his problem is ignorance which can be cured and not lack of self respect. But what justification is there for people who celebrate anti Hindu events despite not being ignorant themselves?
 

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The only sanity is that Modi govt. has likes of Doval in his group, which generates some confidence.
Doval thinks that deobandis are nationalists and I heard from BR that his son's company has Saudi sponsors. Must give you some perspective on how "right wing" the present govt is.:rolleyes:
 

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Doval thinks that deobandis are nationalists and I heard from BR that his son's company has Saudi sponsors. Must give you some perspective on how "right wing" the present govt is.:rolleyes:
Really? That is some big conflict of interest.
 

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then slaughtering & eating the canines is animal cruelty. but then again slaughtering the bovines is a matter of pride & human rights.

what even whiff or 'kick of rationality' does a sickular dopie get from this is beyond actual rationality itself!

more, its the practice of 'animal-apartheid' by the so-called 'humanists' & revolutionaries for love & fairness.

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I don't know how much of it is true. Since it us from a post in a forum, take it with a pinch of salt.
http://articles.economictimes.india.../65165615_1_ajit-doval-ram-madhav-modi-sarkar

How National Security Advisor Ajit Doval’s son Shaurya reinvented himself into a key policy player


He's an alumnus of London School of Business and Chicago University, has worked as investment banker for GE Capital and Morgan Stanley and heads the India unit of an investment fund, Zeus Caps, backed by a super wealthy Saudi Sheikh - but that's not what makes Shaurya Doval (40) special. Neither it is that Shaurya's father happens to be India's National Security Advisor, Ajit Doval.


There are plenty of foreign-educated, foreign-trained, well-to-do progenies of senior, powerful babus. But Shaurya is something others in that privileged group are not - he's an increasingly influential player in shaping Modi Sarkar's policy thinking.

Junior Doval's rise since Modi Sarkar came to power has been a quiet affair. The media barely knows him. But those who know how things work in Delhi's establishment say Junior Doval practices Track 1.5 diplomacy.

That means Shaurya, a director in the principal driving force behind the BJP/RSS- heavyweights-dominated think-tank, India Foundation, is far closer to actual policymakers than your usual Track II enthusiasts are. ET spoke to over a dozen people for this profile. Shaurya Doval met ET. Ajit Doval, did not respond to ET's questions. Many people ET spoke to participated on the condition they not be identified.

NDA'S THINKTANK

India Foundation, set up five years back, calls itself an 'independent research centre'. Its current offices are in a tony apartment in New Delhi's ultra-posh Hailey Road. The apartment was used by Nirmala Sitharaman, minister for corporate affairs, before NDA came to power. When Sitharaman moved out to her ministerial bungalow, India Foundation shifted offices to the apartment. Its earlier offices were in Jangpura, a nice South Delhi locality, but nowhere as plush as Hailey Road.

Sitharaman, along with ministers Suresh Prabhu and Jayant Sinha, are directors of the Foundation. Influential RSS leader Ram Madhav, who's now a BJP general secretary, is also a director. As is ex-editor and current BJP spokesperson MJ Akbar. Madhav and Doval Junior set up the India Foundation. Doval Junior left his plum investment banking job and got back to India in 2009.

Like the Viveknanda Foundation, with which Senior Doval was closely associated, the India Foundation is a forum for the political right. But the son's think-tank has a reach the father's never had.

Senior government officials say India Foundation is beginning to have the same influence on Modi government's policy thinking that the National Advisory Council had on UPA-1's. "It's Modi Sarkar's quasi-NAC", one bureaucrat said. NAC-like formal recognition may or may not come to the Foundation, but NAC-like access to the highest offices is evident.

CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING:

.. Shaurya Doval and Ram Madhav are deeply involved in planning Indian diaspora events that are such a crucial part of Prime Minister's foreign visits.

.. The Madison Square event during Modi's US trip, a PM speech during his France trip that was broadcasted to French-controlled islands that have substantial Indian-origin population, many of the PM's public functions during his visit to Indian Ocean island countries - Doval was a planner for all these high profile and crucial events.

.. And Ajit Doval's son is also playing a key part in planning the big diaspora event in San Francisco in September, where the PM will interact with Silicon Valley's Indian elite.



TALK SHOP NUMBER 1

Being part of teams that plan crucial elements of the PM's foreign trips is evidence enough of influence. But that's not the only or perhaps even the most significant evidence of Shaurya's importance. That significant evidence is apparent every Wednesday in Delhi. Every Wednesday, Indian Foundation holds closed door sessions on high policy issues.

The venue is Ram Madhav's South Avenue residence in New Delhi. Attendees include senior bureaucrats, senior members of New Delhi's diplomatic establishment, strategic affairs and internal security experts, Indian and foreign, and well-connected people who hang around every political establishment, that is, lobbyists.

Shaurya Doval's and Ram Madhav's Wednesday talk shops, a senior diplomat said, have become the meeting place in New Delhi now. Heavyweights of the Modi government - Defence Minister Manohar Parikkar, Shaurya's father NSA Ajit Doval, Foreign Secretary S Jaishankar - have spoken at these sessions, which are closed to the media.

And it's not just Wednesdays. When India Foundation organised a seminar on counterterrorism in Jaipur in March, seven NDA ministers and NSA Ajit Doval attended. That kind of star power comes only when the organisers are very well-connected with the powers that be.

Ram Madhav pretty much said it when he addressed a high-powered gathering under the aegis of the Foundation just before the PM visited Bangladesh in June. Speaking at New Delhi's India Habitat Centre - a sprawling complex of buildings in Lutyen's Delhi that's an elite club as well as a favourite site for corporate, think-tank and NGO talkathons - Madhav said, "do not think that this (India Foundation engagements) is back-channel or track II. These engagements are as important as official engagements and government takes it very seriously." In the audience were ministers from both India and Bangladesh. Incidentally, this was a two-day talk shop.


The Foundation hosted the second day at the Habitat. The Bangladesh High Commission sponsored the first day. The venue was Oberoi Hotel in New Delhi.

At that same seminar, Railway Minister Suresh Prabhu said "I am not here as union minister but as the director of India Foundation... This is the 'Foundation' on which you can build a superstructure."

That was a pithy description of the Foundation's influence. "This government listens to them (the Foundation)', a senior bureaucrat said. Others in the policy establishment say it now pays to track the talk shops being organised by Shaurya Doval's thinktank. "What they talking about and who is doing the talking...those are clues", is how another bureaucrat put it.

The Foundation's December 2014 India Ideas conclave in Goa was an elaborate affair. Writing about it in the Foundation's monthly journal, Doval Junior said the purpose is to make India reclaim her leadership role, by asking "nationalist thinkers from all over the world' to debate the idea of India.

A just-concluded August retreat in Madhya Pradesh with participation of young BJP MPs and a September economic policy conclave, expected to draw heavyweights from India Inc and NRI entrepreneurs, are other Foundation events that show its influence. The PM is likely to speak at that conclave. "It's the talk shop number 1 in Delhi right now" is how a veteran bureaucrat, familiar with the establishment's ways, described Shaurya Doval's think-tank.

WHAT SHAURYA SAYS

Doval Junior met ET. He said India Foundation doesn't make policies. "No thinktank makes policies. Governments make policies and think-tanks are one of the influences in policy formulation..." But he's also clear about the goal of increasing influence. "In coming days, the think-tank will play a major role in government policy formulation...it will evolve the way think-tanks have evolved in the US and China."

He elaborated further on his idea of an influential think-tank. . "I think every political party in this country needs to have their think-tank. India Foundation has been able to influence government decisions in many ways...but the influence changes from policy to policy. It will not be right for me to name the changes in policy which came because of us."

People who know the New Delhi establishment say Doval is right but that there's even more to India Foundation. "It's a question of how easily you can reach the ears that matter", one diplomat said, "the Foundation can reach all the ears that matter very quickly".

Shaurya Doval told ET he first conceptualised the role of India Foundation as a forum for economic agendas and religious studies. "I relocated myself to India in 2009," he said. The Foundation was set up the same year. "We are a think-tank with a nationalistic view," Doval said.

Asked about funding - the Foundation is registered as a trust - Doval said the monthly journal is a big revenue source. "We raise sponsorship and get endowments from various sources. It is all done around the work we do or seminars we organize. We get into partnership with various stakeholders and we do our share and they do theirs," he told ET.

Ram Madhav, the co-creator of the Foundation, told ET, India Foundation is different from other think-tanks. "We are different... India Foundation has intervened at political levels so that certain issues can be pushed. This is done by actively networking... we first get to understand issues...we bring out research papers only after that," Madhav said. He gives an example of networking - important visiting delegations meeting NDA MPs under the aegis of the India Foundation. Is NDA ministers' membership of the Foundation a proof of its power and influence? Madhav says ministerial involvement is a "coincidence". "These people were all public intellectuals before they became ministers... some of them were Foundation members before they became ministers", Madhav said, adding that the search is on for more directors.

ROLL OVER IIC

India International Centre, a club for the elite that's older than the Habitat, has for years been a venue where Delhi's powerful would gather for apparently informal but ultimately influential chats. Before Narendra Modi stormed into power in May 2014, one of IIC's notable chat sessions was the so called Saturday club. Ex-bureaucrat Nripendra Misra was the convener.

The Saturday club was recognized by the power cognoscenti as a place to be. Misra was picked by the PM to be his principal secretary. And Shaurya Doval's Wednesday closed door discussions have replaced the Saturday club as the Delhi establishment's prime talk shop.

That as ex-investment banker who used to strategise on leveraged buy outs now commands more influence than the grey eminences of IIC says much about the power shift in New Delhi - it encapsulates the rise of Shaurya Doval.


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http://articles.economictimes.india.../65165615_1_ajit-doval-ram-madhav-modi-sarkar

How National Security Advisor Ajit Doval’s son Shaurya reinvented himself into a key policy player


He's an alumnus of London School of Business and Chicago University, has worked as investment banker for GE Capital and Morgan Stanley and heads the India unit of an investment fund, Zeus Caps, backed by a super wealthy Saudi Sheikh - but that's not what makes Shaurya Doval (40) special. Neither it is that Shaurya's father happens to be India's National Security Advisor, Ajit Doval.


There are plenty of foreign-educated, foreign-trained, well-to-do progenies of senior, powerful babus. But Shaurya is something others in that privileged group are not - he's an increasingly influential player in shaping Modi Sarkar's policy thinking.

Junior Doval's rise since Modi Sarkar came to power has been a quiet affair. The media barely knows him. But those who know how things work in Delhi's establishment say Junior Doval practices Track 1.5 diplomacy.

That means Shaurya, a director in the principal driving force behind the BJP/RSS- heavyweights-dominated think-tank, India Foundation, is far closer to actual policymakers than your usual Track II enthusiasts are. ET spoke to over a dozen people for this profile. Shaurya Doval met ET. Ajit Doval, did not respond to ET's questions. Many people ET spoke to participated on the condition they not be identified.

NDA'S THINKTANK

India Foundation, set up five years back, calls itself an 'independent research centre'. Its current offices are in a tony apartment in New Delhi's ultra-posh Hailey Road. The apartment was used by Nirmala Sitharaman, minister for corporate affairs, before NDA came to power. When Sitharaman moved out to her ministerial bungalow, India Foundation shifted offices to the apartment. Its earlier offices were in Jangpura, a nice South Delhi locality, but nowhere as plush as Hailey Road.

Sitharaman, along with ministers Suresh Prabhu and Jayant Sinha, are directors of the Foundation. Influential RSS leader Ram Madhav, who's now a BJP general secretary, is also a director. As is ex-editor and current BJP spokesperson MJ Akbar. Madhav and Doval Junior set up the India Foundation. Doval Junior left his plum investment banking job and got back to India in 2009.

Like the Viveknanda Foundation, with which Senior Doval was closely associated, the India Foundation is a forum for the political right. But the son's think-tank has a reach the father's never had.

Senior government officials say India Foundation is beginning to have the same influence on Modi government's policy thinking that the National Advisory Council had on UPA-1's. "It's Modi Sarkar's quasi-NAC", one bureaucrat said. NAC-like formal recognition may or may not come to the Foundation, but NAC-like access to the highest offices is evident.

CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING:

.. Shaurya Doval and Ram Madhav are deeply involved in planning Indian diaspora events that are such a crucial part of Prime Minister's foreign visits.

.. The Madison Square event during Modi's US trip, a PM speech during his France trip that was broadcasted to French-controlled islands that have substantial Indian-origin population, many of the PM's public functions during his visit to Indian Ocean island countries - Doval was a planner for all these high profile and crucial events.

.. And Ajit Doval's son is also playing a key part in planning the big diaspora event in San Francisco in September, where the PM will interact with Silicon Valley's Indian elite.



TALK SHOP NUMBER 1

Being part of teams that plan crucial elements of the PM's foreign trips is evidence enough of influence. But that's not the only or perhaps even the most significant evidence of Shaurya's importance. That significant evidence is apparent every Wednesday in Delhi. Every Wednesday, Indian Foundation holds closed door sessions on high policy issues.

The venue is Ram Madhav's South Avenue residence in New Delhi. Attendees include senior bureaucrats, senior members of New Delhi's diplomatic establishment, strategic affairs and internal security experts, Indian and foreign, and well-connected people who hang around every political establishment, that is, lobbyists.

Shaurya Doval's and Ram Madhav's Wednesday talk shops, a senior diplomat said, have become the meeting place in New Delhi now. Heavyweights of the Modi government - Defence Minister Manohar Parikkar, Shaurya's father NSA Ajit Doval, Foreign Secretary S Jaishankar - have spoken at these sessions, which are closed to the media.

And it's not just Wednesdays. When India Foundation organised a seminar on counterterrorism in Jaipur in March, seven NDA ministers and NSA Ajit Doval attended. That kind of star power comes only when the organisers are very well-connected with the powers that be.

Ram Madhav pretty much said it when he addressed a high-powered gathering under the aegis of the Foundation just before the PM visited Bangladesh in June. Speaking at New Delhi's India Habitat Centre - a sprawling complex of buildings in Lutyen's Delhi that's an elite club as well as a favourite site for corporate, think-tank and NGO talkathons - Madhav said, "do not think that this (India Foundation engagements) is back-channel or track II. These engagements are as important as official engagements and government takes it very seriously." In the audience were ministers from both India and Bangladesh. Incidentally, this was a two-day talk shop.


The Foundation hosted the second day at the Habitat. The Bangladesh High Commission sponsored the first day. The venue was Oberoi Hotel in New Delhi.

At that same seminar, Railway Minister Suresh Prabhu said "I am not here as union minister but as the director of India Foundation... This is the 'Foundation' on which you can build a superstructure."

That was a pithy description of the Foundation's influence. "This government listens to them (the Foundation)', a senior bureaucrat said. Others in the policy establishment say it now pays to track the talk shops being organised by Shaurya Doval's thinktank. "What they talking about and who is doing the talking...those are clues", is how another bureaucrat put it.

The Foundation's December 2014 India Ideas conclave in Goa was an elaborate affair. Writing about it in the Foundation's monthly journal, Doval Junior said the purpose is to make India reclaim her leadership role, by asking "nationalist thinkers from all over the world' to debate the idea of India.

A just-concluded August retreat in Madhya Pradesh with participation of young BJP MPs and a September economic policy conclave, expected to draw heavyweights from India Inc and NRI entrepreneurs, are other Foundation events that show its influence. The PM is likely to speak at that conclave. "It's the talk shop number 1 in Delhi right now" is how a veteran bureaucrat, familiar with the establishment's ways, described Shaurya Doval's think-tank.

WHAT SHAURYA SAYS

Doval Junior met ET. He said India Foundation doesn't make policies. "No thinktank makes policies. Governments make policies and think-tanks are one of the influences in policy formulation..." But he's also clear about the goal of increasing influence. "In coming days, the think-tank will play a major role in government policy formulation...it will evolve the way think-tanks have evolved in the US and China."

He elaborated further on his idea of an influential think-tank. . "I think every political party in this country needs to have their think-tank. India Foundation has been able to influence government decisions in many ways...but the influence changes from policy to policy. It will not be right for me to name the changes in policy which came because of us."

People who know the New Delhi establishment say Doval is right but that there's even more to India Foundation. "It's a question of how easily you can reach the ears that matter", one diplomat said, "the Foundation can reach all the ears that matter very quickly".

Shaurya Doval told ET he first conceptualised the role of India Foundation as a forum for economic agendas and religious studies. "I relocated myself to India in 2009," he said. The Foundation was set up the same year. "We are a think-tank with a nationalistic view," Doval said.

Asked about funding - the Foundation is registered as a trust - Doval said the monthly journal is a big revenue source. "We raise sponsorship and get endowments from various sources. It is all done around the work we do or seminars we organize. We get into partnership with various stakeholders and we do our share and they do theirs," he told ET.

Ram Madhav, the co-creator of the Foundation, told ET, India Foundation is different from other think-tanks. "We are different... India Foundation has intervened at political levels so that certain issues can be pushed. This is done by actively networking... we first get to understand issues...we bring out research papers only after that," Madhav said. He gives an example of networking - important visiting delegations meeting NDA MPs under the aegis of the India Foundation. Is NDA ministers' membership of the Foundation a proof of its power and influence? Madhav says ministerial involvement is a "coincidence". "These people were all public intellectuals before they became ministers... some of them were Foundation members before they became ministers", Madhav said, adding that the search is on for more directors.

ROLL OVER IIC

India International Centre, a club for the elite that's older than the Habitat, has for years been a venue where Delhi's powerful would gather for apparently informal but ultimately influential chats. Before Narendra Modi stormed into power in May 2014, one of IIC's notable chat sessions was the so called Saturday club. Ex-bureaucrat Nripendra Misra was the convener.

The Saturday club was recognized by the power cognoscenti as a place to be. Misra was picked by the PM to be his principal secretary. And Shaurya Doval's Wednesday closed door discussions have replaced the Saturday club as the Delhi establishment's prime talk shop.

That as ex-investment banker who used to strategise on leveraged buy outs now commands more influence than the grey eminences of IIC says much about the power shift in New Delhi - it encapsulates the rise of Shaurya Doval.


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from a rational point of view the statements are nothing to do with/about imposing beliefs on others but provocations from agents provocateur themselves to stir chaos and instigate riotous situations. and from another rational point of view the blanket BELIEF that all religious beliefs are superstitions is in itself a popular stereotypical fundamentalist(ic) superstition.

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Yes it is. What they are saying or trying to say is that you have no right to get provoked by someone eating beef.it's another thing that there is a law against it sighting other reasons. This incident took place because of the suppecion that the guy eate beef.

Secondly when i say all religious beliefs are superstetions i meant by and large all religious beliefs be it hindu,christian or islamic is not based on rationality but on faith. We don't generally call the beliefs of the wellestablished religions beliefs as superstetions only because they are a large well established groupe.
 

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Yes it is. What they are saying or trying to say is that you have no right to get provoked by someone eating beef.it's another thing that there is a law against it sighting other reasons. This incident took place because of the suppecion that the guy eate beef.

Secondly when i say all religious beliefs are superstetions i meant by and large all religious beliefs be it hindu,christian or islamic is not based on rationality but on faith. We don't generally call the beliefs of the wellestablished religions beliefs as superstetions only because they are a large well established groupe.
What they are doing is pure demagoguery because they never ask people to draw Mohammed. Sadly, these people with one sided agenda try to call themselves liberal and other Indians as illiberal. I would not expect a common person to give opinions for all concerned sides but when you are in public sphere i.e. media in this case, this selective exhortation to hurt one particular community is plain and simple hate-mongering.
 

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He meant all faiths like Marxism etc!

It is a shame that Indian media has almost no stars who can vouch for vegetarianism. Seems like people have bought too much into western factory produced culture.

But coming back to the topic. SG kinds are just spewing venom to stay relevant, since negative publicity is also publicity. Her husband has already been fired once and I am sure that if Modi wins second time most of these guys will become completely irrelevant.
Sam Harris has been all praises for Jainism lately, may be that will drive the consensus amongst us since we are always looking for Gora approval.


Although one must be careful of such people. Sam Harris digests Indic mediation practices into western science (see mindfulness) while calling people of those religions as fundamentalists.
 
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Yes it is. What they are saying or trying to say is that you have no right to get provoked by someone eating beef.it's another thing that there is a law against it sighting other reasons. This incident took place because of the suppecion that the guy eate beef.

Secondly when i say all religious beliefs are superstetions i meant by and large all religious beliefs be it hindu,christian or islamic is not based on rationality but on faith. We don't generally call the beliefs of the wellestablished religions beliefs as superstetions only because they are a large well established groupe.
well then, there can be and are just umpteen instances wherein someone doing something, unintentionally or otherwise, would provoke someone or the other, justifiably or otherwise (years of persecution didn't provoke KPs to become terrorists; however hundreds became jihadis allegedly because a mosque was demolished). however, what these agents provocateur are called out for is the selective outrage they demonstrate while frequently doing something very opposite in other cases. that tweet by sagarika is a very good example in itself of that. and that's why no one considers them as representatives of any well-meaning ideal and not ready to accept the supposed 'wisdom' underlying their ramblings.
 
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