HAL Light Utility Helicopter (LUH) and Light Observation Helicopter (LOH)

[Indrajit]

The hafta pays for a veto on Kashmir.................................

Ya, essentially a permanent source of honey for those guys.....

 

[vampyrbladez]

Ya, essentially a permanent source of honey for those guys.....

Until we get into UNSC which is unlikely unless you are on the winning side of the next World War.

 

[Armand2REP]

Yup, we have to pay hafta to the Russians, the French and the Americans. Then we go around boasting that we are a great power......

It doesn't make much sense paying for three vetos when you only need one.

 

[Deathstar]

Ya, essentially a permanent source of honey for those guys.....

We bendover as soon as they even utter the word K

 

[MonaLazy]

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[Indrajit]

It doesn't make much sense paying for three vetos when you only need one.

Essentially to keep demands from getting even more unreasonable .

Both France and Russia are fairweather friends, only on India's side so long as we fork up. The Americans have complicated calculations and leverages including trade and offer of market access that France and Russia dont have.

End result. Indian foreign policy is based on handing out large amounts of money so that we can continue to maintain " friendships "....

 

[IndianHawk]

Essentially to keep demands from getting even more unreasonable .

Both France and Russia are fairweather friends, only on India's side so long as we fork up. The Americans have complicated calculations and leverages including trade and offer of market access that France and Russia dont have.

End result. Indian foreign policy is based on handing out large amounts of money so that we can continue to maintain " friendships "....

Until we get into UNSC which is unlikely unless you are on the winning side of the next World War.

UNSC has no leverage against India. Any actual sanction will heart USA UK russian and France trade as much as it will hurt India.

Our arms deal have different imperatives now. With Russia we get help in nuke subs , supersonic/hypersonic weapons including sfdr. These are very important for future.

France is our traditional source for Western weaponry because we couldn't trust USA. And Western weapons are crucial to have an edge over China and stop russian monopoly.

USA is new but has unmatched/ unique offers at reasonable prices with best quality I e. C17, c130 , Chinook , m777 , p8i etc. Also deals with USA are more important as USA is our largest trading partner and we enjoy huge surplus with them.

Now the key is to continue to reduce dependence on all of them simultaneously , gradually.

Also russia and usa are both important for energy security with oil imports.

We have trade surplus with USA and trade balance with France . With Russia we get oil and nuke/space help too.

The enemy is china from whom we just import?? That's the main problem.

 

[rone]

don't get u ? what fking hafta we already paid in form of s400 wat else we have to pay half od India ? , it is incapability of our current gov, whether u guys agree or not form ak203 to this luh SGA its so evident, either modi have to do what he talk otherwise keep his mouth shut don't give us unwanted hopes, balming everything on nehuru not a gud idea, its modis second term time to prove what he said or else don't go for third term

 

[abingdonboy]

Ka-226 to start coming in from 2025 only. But it can carry twice the load of LUH & has modular body... Except LUH can operate higher.

Any other govt. & they'd have rejected LUH altogether. We should copy the coaxial rotor tech from it.

What are you talking about?

The KA-226 and LUH have almost identical performance figures (LUH actually has superior high altitude performance) but the KA-226 costs more to procure and operate than the LUH by a significant margin.


Remember in the RSH competition IA/IAF picked AS550 in favour fo the KA-226. KA-226 is a totally needless product.


There is ZERO justification for the KA-226, if they sign the KA-226 deal before orders for LUH every leader involved (including the PM) deserves to hang for that decision, it's pure treason.

Any update on when can we see an order being placed???? And how many will get ordered??

They haven't even placed firm orders for 15 LSP LCH that got IOC 3 years ago now, these import lovers aren't even speaking of the LCH or LUH at all, they are only talking about MMRCA 2.0, Apaches, KA-226 etc.

Its not WTF Modi govt. Its bend over backward for Russian vetos on UNSC. God bless Nehru.

If that's the case then why buy this cr@p (AK203, KA-226, T90) that Indian services don't even want? Why not buy something that might actually be useful to India that India doesn't have substitutes for yet?


Almost every single deal with Russia in the last 20 years has been needless and has just lead to junk entering Indian service.

Army won't buy it. I can sense entire Russian lobby sensing this and crying.

Doubt so, there are too many political interests involved now- the PM/BJP made a big deal about the factory being in Amethi and the MoU is signed.

 

[vampyrbladez]

Doubt so, there are too many political interests involved now- the PM/BJP made a big deal about the factory being in Amethi and the MoU is signed.

Then that means the price will be brought down to $800 atleast. India will now use TAR as justification for pressurising the Ruskies.

 

[abingdonboy]

Then that means the price will be brought down to $800 atleast. India will now use TAR as justification for pressurising the Ruskies.

Doubt that also, India has never been that scared paying exorbitant rates for Russian junk in the past

 

[vampyrbladez]

Doubt that also, India has never been that scared paying exorbitant rates for Russian junk in the past

I think this time it is different. When you can get a SiG 716 for $990 which can be re-chambered to any calibre, Russians whining is apparent.

 

[abingdonboy]

I think this time it is different. When you can get a SiG 716 for $990 which can be re-chambered to any calibre, Russians whining is apparent.

Russians always whine

Just because you can get SIG cheaper doesn't mean anything with these shady Russian GTG deals, rarely is India getting the best price for their junk

 

[Craigs]

Then that means the price will be brought down to $800 atleast. India will now use TAR as justification for pressurising the Ruskies.

Never understood the fascination with license producing another AK series especially when the plans are available for free. We should repurpose the Amethi factory for something else and get rid of the AK thingie.

 

[Bleh]

What are you talking about?

The KA-226 and LUH have almost identical performance figures (LUH actually has superior high altitude performance) but the KA-226 costs more to procure and operate than the LUH by a significant margin.

Yes, I was wrong... That thing was cleared up in the following posts (also WFT MODI GOVT?!..). No need to reinvent that wheel again.

 

[Pulkit]

They haven't even placed firm orders for 15 LSP LCH that got IOC 3 years ago now, these import lovers aren't even speaking of the LCH or LUH at all, they are only talking about MMRCA 2.0, Apaches, KA-226 etc.

Yeah I know that's why I have no hope left for "Made in India" or there was no surprise to me.
They were also supposed to order 83 Tejas Mk1A by now and they are still lingering.

And then they complain about DRDO ADA HAL(I do too but for different reasons), they have no right to do that MMRCA 2.0 is also not gonna mature for the next few decades(best case scenerio).

 

[HariPrasad-1]

The KA-226 and LUH have almost identical performance figures (LUH actually has superior high altitude performance) but the KA-226 costs more to procure and operate than the LUH by a significant margin.

With same engine power, coaxial rotor always produces high power because all the power is used as lifting force. While on normal chopper, about 15% power is used to keep chopper stabilized because of the spinning (Somebody please mention technical name) force generated because of the rotation of rotatory wings.

 

[Shashwat]

@mods - Please remove LOH from the title.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Yeh salla Russia ko itna bada bada deal bhi dete or phir inke madarchod orthodox Russia Today pura time anti india anti hindu chutiyap upload krta h.

Ek deal to putin ki gd marne k liye cancel krni chaiye

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Do you guys have any idea that indian army can destroy entire pakistani land in one hour if pm orders so. We can drop thousands of atom bomb on pakistani cities.

We need at least two days. And India isn't use nuclear bombs that easily.