Prashant12
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LUH descending from Daulat Beg Oldi (DBO, or Oldie), adjacent to Karakoram pass. Headed toward Leh, into the heart of the second largest union territory of India.
You will find many iitians among officers of ofb and DRDO scientists. In fact even in IAS majority of select are engineers from premier institution.Great sight. I hope Indian weapons start gaining a reputation for being well engineered and reliable. Presently user confidence in our indigenous weapons is lacking. Japan started off producing low quality products(as perceived by many people) decades ago and slowly climbed up the quality ladder to become a watchword for high quality. Japanese brand names like Sony, Toyota etc are associated with good products. Every country goes through this learning curve. India will also reach there. Hope we get there in the shortest possible time frame.
Things are changing fast in India nowadays and look very positive. We need to increase productivity and foster innovation. Most insiders in the defence production sector know that even now most of the subsystems in our indigenous weapon systems are imported. In times of war we are vulnerable to embargoes by suppliers of components. We need a well coordinated strategy to progressively increase the percentage of Indian made components. No country will willingly transfer technology to us. Ultimately we have to invest in our own R&D.
I foresee India becoming like Europe and Japan within the next two decades. China is unfortunately ahead of us and are increasingly producing weapons using indigenous parts. Their reliance on Russian technology is diminishing fast. We need to catch up with China.
A suggestion. Why don't we ask defence startups to design an indigenous assault rifle and carbine. The technology involved is not too complex. It is far simpler than designing a tank. IIT engineers should take up the challenge. I am sure they will design a better rifle than the Insas. We don't need to depend on imports. The government of course should arrange for funding such startups after due verification.
There is no special talent in an "IIT engineer" which you won't get in a bright guy studying in a tier-4 university because he didn't got the opportunity for exam training.Great sight. I hope Indian weapons start gaining a reputation for being well engineered and reliable. Presently user confidence in our indigenous weapons is lacking. Japan started off producing low quality products(as perceived by many people) decades ago and slowly climbed up the quality ladder to become a watchword for high quality. Japanese brand names like Sony, Toyota etc are associated with good products. Every country goes through this learning curve. India will also reach there. Hope we get there in the shortest possible time frame.
Things are changing fast in India nowadays and look very positive. We need to increase productivity and foster innovation. Most insiders in the defence production sector know that even now most of the subsystems in our indigenous weapon systems are imported. In times of war we are vulnerable to embargoes by suppliers of components. We need a well coordinated strategy to progressively increase the percentage of Indian made components. No country will willingly transfer technology to us. Ultimately we have to invest in our own R&D.
I foresee India becoming like Europe and Japan within the next two decades. China is unfortunately ahead of us and are increasingly producing weapons using indigenous parts. Their reliance on Russian technology is diminishing fast. We need to catch up with China.
A suggestion. Why don't we ask defence startups to design an indigenous assault rifle and carbine. The technology involved is not too complex. It is far simpler than designing a tank. IIT engineers should take up the challenge. I am sure they will design a better rifle than the Insas. We don't need to depend on imports. The government of course should arrange for funding such startups after due verification.
Japan started off producing low quality products(as perceived by many people) decades ago and slowly climbed up the quality ladder to become a watchword for high quality. Japanese brand names like Sony, Toyota etc are associated with good products.
Never watched BACK TO THE FUTURE TRIOLOGY, I say watch it.I didn't know that back in the 60s, 70s and 80s Japanese product has the reputation in the West that Chinese products have today... was shocked to find out actually.
I would like you to clarify on your post. Was it genuine surprise or a sarcastic statement?. If it was surprise, yes it is the truth. Japanese products in the 50's were of low quality and regarded as such by other countries especially the US.I didn't know that back in the 60s, 70s and 80s Japanese product has the reputation in the West that Chinese products have today... was shocked to find out actually.
I knew by reading Quora replies & subsequent discussions by American people talking about the 60s & 70s... My comment was based on that.I would like you to clarify on your post. Was it genuine surprise or a sarcastic statement?. If it was surprise, yes it is the truth. Japanese products in the 50's were of low quality and regarded as such by other countries especially the US.
If it was a sarcastic comment to doubt the veracity of the statement then my sincere advice to you is-please do some research before making a fool of yourself. Japanese products were of poor quality in the 50's the immediate period after the Second World War. Have you heard of
W. Edwards Deming and his contribution to improving quality in Japanese industry.
Also read up this article in the archives of the New York Times.
Made in Japan (Without the Inferiority Complex)
by Rita Reif
This journalistic article published decades ago will give you a good idea of the state of Japanese industry after World War 2.
The Articles are available in the
archive feedback @nytimes.com
I expect better from you. My post never mentioned that Japanese products were of poor quality in the 60's,70's or 80's.I only said decades ago. Before the 70's itself Japan increased quality through a structured programme.
I welcome differences of opinion. If you feel that a certain statement is disputable then openly say that you don't agree and put forth your views. But before proving somebody's views wrong you should establish that you are right. Provide references and proof to back your claim. Simply saying that the other person is wrong does not make you right.I knew by reading Quora replies & subsequent discussions by American people talking about the 60s & 70s... My comment was based on that.
I wasn't being sarcastic... wasn't disputing what you said.I welcome differences of opinion. If you feel that a certain statement is disputable then openly say that you don't agree and put forth your views. But before proving somebody's views wrong you should establish that you are right. Provide references and proof to back your claim. Simply saying that the other person is wrong does not make you right.
A healthy exchange of views backed by facts can take place.
Sarcasm is no substitute for informed debate.
Have you bothered to research on Japanese industry in the 50's at least now to know the facts and truth.
Can’t get enough of this bird. Hope Modi doesn’t do the stupid thing and order the KA226 this late in the day, let LUH take all 400++ orders for the LUH/RSH role. It will transform the Indian helicopter sector within a very short span and give untold benefits.LUH descending from Daulat Beg Oldi (DBO, or Oldie), adjacent to Karakoram pass. Headed toward Leh, into the heart of the second largest union territory of India.
I fully agree. It is one sexy looking helicopter. I believe there was German help in designing the ALH and the design philosophy must have been passed on to the LUH. The indigenous content in the LUH is quite high as stated by many experts.Can’t get enough of this bird. Hope Modi doesn’t do the stupid thing and order the KA226 this late in the day, let LUH take all 400++ orders for the LUH/RSH role. It will transform the Indian helicopter sector within a very short span and give untold benefits.
This helo can be like the infamous BELL 406/7 which became so widespread in the 70s/80s in the US for every role from HEMS to sight seeing tours. The LUH can be that for India.
They have 111 NUH under “firm” lmao. The navy doesn’t want it, the KA226 can’t even meet most of their requirements.
This is from business standard article.
Seems Russia is offering 200 kamov +111 for navy as a bundle with total price as 3 billion USD.
Each Heli then costs about 9-10 million USD.
What will be the pricing of luh any idea?
With its range, folding rotor, dual engine and overall length, Ka-226 is stronger contender for NUH.They have 111 NUH under “firm” lmao. The navy doesn’t want it, the KA226 can’t even meet most of their requirements.
Just last week French talks involved the Panther for NUH role (far more suited to requirements).
My feeling is ALH will still get the NUH deal.