France and others weapons: Pacific security?

[ice berg]

LOL, NATO is nothing without US. Same goes for the whole Libya campaign.


While the United States has stepped back from a leading role in the strike mission NATO took over on March 31, it has continued to provide essential assets, including reconnaissance planes, air-to-air refueling planes and armed drones
NATO says U.S. contribution essential in Libya | Reuters

US provided majority of precision munitions including a range of ISR capabilities. Without US, NATO would never be able to achieve a victory. Notice I said NATO, not France.
Once again, US saved the french ass.

 

[Armand2REP]

France didn't use American assets....

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/americas/25493-french-lessons-learned-libya.html

so much for that theory.

Buying Paveway IIs doesn't mean US provided the munitions... we bought it like we always do. Without France and a little help from RAF there would have been no victory. US was helping little forces like Denmark, Canada and what not. France had her own assets to deal with a commitment that saw 10X more precision munitions dropped than the US. Once again we saved Yanky ass because they were too afraid of losing more fighters.

 

[asianobserve]

And notice how the American did not send a carrier so as not to dwarf the French CDG. It was all choreographed to give the whole operations a semblance of France leading it as a gift to Sarko for bringing back France to NATO's fold. But like an iceberg Uncle's hand was hidden beneath the surface of the water...

 

[Armand2REP]

If that is the best conspiracy straw you have left to grasp at.... my work here is done. :cool2:

 

[asianobserve]

Without US' military commitment to the campaign I would bet my right ball that France alone would not have performed the ops it did in Lybia...

 

[Armand2REP]

Considering France chose not to use US assets because it hampered operations I don't see why it would alter the French commitment. Rafales were mapping Libyan air defences a full day before the Paris summit was even over. The TLAM strike couldn't have been launched accurately without that targeting information. If US hadn't of launched it, France has plenty of stand-off weapons to do the same job. Scalp, Apache, AASM are all far enough out of any Libyan SAM range.

 

[ice berg]

France didn't use American assets....

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/americas/25493-french-lessons-learned-libya.html

so much for that theory.

Buying Paveway IIs doesn't mean US provided the munitions... we bought it like we always do. Without France and a little help from RAF there would have been no victory. US was helping little forces like Denmark, Canada and what not. France had her own assets to deal with a commitment that saw 10X more precision munitions dropped than the US. Once again we saved Yanky ass because they were too afraid of losing more fighters.

Sigh, some people are just so removed from the reality...

Without U.S. Tomahawk cruise missiles, drones and electronic warfare aircraft to guide combat missions, the Libya intervention could not have succeeded.

The United States provided 75 percent of intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance data employed to protect Libyan citizens and enforce the arms embargo, as well as 75 percent of the refueling planes used in the intervention.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/17/opinion/natos-shrinking-
resources.html?_r=1

The report also spotlights an important issue for the alliance that dates to the Balkan wars of the 1990s: that the United States has emerged "by default" as the NATO specialist in providing precision-guided munitions — which made up virtually all of the 7,700 bombs and missiles dropped or fired on Libya — and a vast majority of specialized aircraft that conduct aerial intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance missions, or I.S.R. in military parlance.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/15/world/africa/nato-sees-flaws-in-air-campaign-against-qaddafi.html?hp

So much for your crap about french PGMs.

 

[Armand2REP]

US didn't provide anything to France, they offered recon but we rejected it. We have our own tankers, buddy refueling and recon. Rafale does it all.

Most of the bombs dropped were Paveways. Unlike Pakistan and Israel, we buy our munitions. Just because the kit is made in America doesn't give them credit after we buy it and drop it. Once you buy it, you own it. And we will keep on buying it because it is a solid low priced ammunition.

 

[s002wjh]

hehe right France take down libya all by themself without any US and other nations help:thumb: