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Turkey To Cancel F-35 Order, Cites Rising Costs And Technical Problems

Turkey has decided to defer an order to procure its first two F-35 fighter jets citing technical problems and rising costs, but added that it still plans to buy over a 100 in the future.

"Due to the current state of the JSF (Joint Strike Fighter) ... and the rising cost ... it was decided to postpone the order placed on Jan 5, 2012, for the two aircraft," the Under secretariat for Defence Industry (SSM) said in a statement.

After the initial purchase of the two jets, Turkey plans to order 100 units of the stealth fighter to replace its current fleet consisting mainly of F-4 Phantoms and F-16 Falcons, according to the statement.

The SSM added that the decision was taken because the technical capabilities of the aircraft were"not at the desired level yet".

Turkey To Cancel F-35 Order, Cites Rising Costs And Technical Problems : Defense news
 

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They might postpone but wont cancel it.

Turkey doent have any other option than F-35s for their future requirements. They only other aircraft their planning to acquire is by Co-developing KF-X fighter with Korea, Which is still in drawing board.
 

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[video=youtube_share;1oyCzT6sB_4]http://youtu.be/1oyCzT6sB_4[/video]

Like the way, it's all touch screen and the whole screen can be reconfigured as per pilot's desire and necessity.
 

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Thats bound to happen for a aircraft that designed to do every thing with one single type, F-35 will be worst design aerodynamically with compared to peer of its generation or even advanced 4th gen types but will make up in Sensors and MMI
I hope it does, especially the ones who want to go against China in the future.

I need to check the figures with other 4th gen types. I think I have ITR and STR figures for both Rafale and EF somewhere on one of my 5 hard disks, need to find it and compare.

F-35 was designed to be closest to the F-16 and F/A-18 in flight characteristics.
 

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About B version :

New £150million combat jet is banned from flying in bad weather because it could EXPLODE
F-35 Joint Strike Fighter not allowed to fly within 25 miles of thunderstorms
Engineers found its fuel tank could explode if hit by lightning
Britain committed to buying 48 of the aircraft, while U.S. is buying 2,500


Read more: New £150million combat jet F-35 Joint Strike Fighter is banned from flying in bad weather because it could EXPLODE | Mail Online
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and

F-35 Marine Model Stress-Testing Halted After Cracks Discovered

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About aerodynamics (aviation weekly figure about Korean FX)




Finally, and more comprehensive (serious), from DOD report on 2011 year

available here https://www.box.com/shared/n96kpe1yvysqybs662un

"¢"¢ FY11 Recommendations. The program should:

1. Conduct an integrated test review of the final flight test
schedule to ensure the new integrated master schedule
matches flight test schedule sequencing and content, and
that both comply with the TBR-recommended planning
factors.

2. Use a criteria-based event-driven strategy to reduce risk
before beginning flight operations with early, immature
production aircraft at the training center or elsewhere.


3. Determine the impact of the alternate path for the
helmet-mounted display on the integrated master schedule,
including potential for cockpit and pilot systems redesigns.

4. Ensure operationally relevant criteria are used to evaluate
handling characteristics in transonic flight regimes and in
buffet testing.

5. Produce and implement a realistic reliability growth plan.

6. Evaluate and reduce the risk of later than intended
completion of structural durability testing given concurrent
production.

7. Improve spares efficiency/resupply and test aircraft
reliability at the flight test centers.

8. Survey the test plans for certifications required by
government agencies outside program and Service control
and plan appropriate lead-time for these certifications.
 

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IN FOCUS: Lockheed claims F-35 kinematics 'better than or equal to' Typhoon or Super Hornet


Lockheed Martin is claiming that all three versions of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) will have kinematic performance better than or equal to any combat-configured fourth-generation fighter. The comparison includes transonic acceleration performance versus an air-to-air configured Eurofighter Typhoon and high angle-of-attack flight performance vis-à-vis the Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet.





"The F-35 is comparable or better in every one of those metrics, sometimes by a significant margin, in both air-to-air, and when we hog-up those fourth-generation fighters, for the air-to-ground mission," says Billy Flynn, a Lockheed test pilot who is responsible for flight envelope expansion activities for all three variants.

But the Lockheed claims are strongly disputed by other sources, including one veteran Super Hornet test pilot with thousands of hours in that aircraft. "These claims are technically inaccurate from my point of view as a professional test pilot," he says. "An aircraft with small control surfaces intended for stealth cannot produce such fantastical results in maneuverability; a little wing cannot produce a lot of lift period."

Flynn says "that the F-35 can go out on any given day, and we have, gone to the red line of the airplane" with a full internal weapons load. Going to the limits of the aircraft's envelope with a full load of weapons is "inconceivable in any of the other fourth-generation airplanes, including Typhoon, which most would say has the best performance of those four fourth-gen jets," says Flynn, who is a former test pilot for the Eurofighter and Lockheed F-16. All variants of the F-35 are capable of flying at Mach 1.6 and 50° angle-of-attack, he says. The A and C models have a maximum speed of 700 knots calibrated airspeed (KCAS-1296 km/h) while the F-35B can fly at 630 KCAS (1167 Km/h). The A, B and C variant are rated at 9g, 7g and 7.5g's respectively.

But at issue is exactly what constitutes a combat load out. An F-35 loaded up with two 2000lbs bombs and two air-to-air missiles internally is not carrying an equivalent payload to a Eurofighter Typhoon with four 2000lbs bombs and five air-to-air missiles or a Super Hornet armed with a mix of bombs and air-to-air missiles. "What was the combat load out?" the Super Hornet pilot asks. "If you compare apples and oranges --you can make claims like that." One highly experienced pilot flying the Lockheed F-22 Raptor adds, "They need to compare the performances based on similar amounts of ordnance carriage."

Another point that must be considered, however, is that the F-35 will only be relying on its internal weapons payload during operations against a very robust threat environment. "Internal carriage is only required if you need the stealth," another F-22 pilot says. "At which point a fourth generation jet may not even be able to deliver on the target."

Stealth is a point that Lockheed emphasizes. "The game-changer is stealth," Flynn says. "No one is going to see us coming or going." But exactly how many targets an F-35 could attack with its internal payload versus a non-stealth platform during a campaign is debatable. "There is a whole other story on how many targets the F-35 could hit with the limited internal carry versus the fourth-gen plus jets," the second Raptor pilot says.

Asked to address the issue of transonic acceleration compared to the best performing fourth-generation machines, in this case an air-to-air configured Typhoon, Flynn reiterated that the F-35 was better than or equal to that aircraft. Even with the reduced transonic acceleration times mentioned in the Pentagon's director of operational test and evaluation 2012 report, the F-35, including the C-model which had its specifications reduced by 43 seconds, still out accelerates competing aircraft in a combat configuration, he says.

But others are skeptical. "Forty-three seconds tells me there is a massive decrease in the expected performance because of some serious shortcomings," the Super Hornet pilot says. "How that's parlayed into 'we're better than the rest of the world combined' on every measure, I don't know, and I don't believe it." More important is the question of how the reduction in performance impacts aircraft survivability. "So what if you can accelerate better than a [F-16] Viper or Typhoon, can you live against an SA-20?" asks the second F-22 pilot.


If one were to overlay the energy-maneuverability (E-M) diagrams for the F/A-18, F-16 or Typhoon over the F-35's, "It is better. Comparable or better than every Western fourth-generation fighter out there," Flynn says. That applies even to the F-35 B and C models with their respective 7g and 7.5g limits. "You're not going to see any measurable difference between the aircraft," Flynn says. In terms of instantaneous and sustained turn rates and just about every other performance metric, the F-35 variants match or considerably exceed the capabilities of every fourth-generation fighter, he says.

The first F-22 pilot says he is surprised to hear that there are already E-M diagrams available. "The reality is that I would be floored if they had accurate E-M diagrams right now," he says. "They are probably computer generated, and very inaccurate. Also, 'real' E-M diagrams come from OT/DT [operational test/developmental test], not the contractor."

In terms of high angle of attack (AOA) performance, Flynn says the F-35 is better than the Boeing F/A-18E/F, even though the Super Hornet is capable of reaching higher angles than the JSF's limit of 50°. "We are better than any airplane out there," says Flynn, a veteran Canadian Forces CF-18 Hornet pilot who has also flown thrust-vectored prototype variants of the F-16 and F/A-18 Hornet at NASA. "You can go to higher degrees of angle-of-attack in the F/A-18, the flight control system will not limit you, but that's not necessarily controlled flight." In the F/A-18, Flynn says that past 50° there is a lot of very violent buffeting.


"You maneuver the airplane much like an F-22 or a lot like I maneuvered the prototype F-16 20 years ago with thrust vectoring," Flynn says. "You maneuver the airplane back and forth with amazing controllability at the highest degree of angle-of-attack, and that is not the case with the only other Western airplane that can go to high AOA, the F/A-18." The one other exception is the Raptor, which Flynn does acknowledge as having better high AOA performance than the F-35 due to its thrust vectoring capability. The Typhoon, by comparison, has a 25° AOA limit. In the F-35, Lockheed made the decision to limit the AOA to 50°, but test pilots have flown the aircraft well past that.

The high AOA limit gives the F-35 "great" instantaneous turn performance. "We knew that 50°, from our years of research, is about as far as you need to go to take advantage of the aerodynamic performance" of the jet, Flynn says. "There is no reason to be there [at extreme AOA]; you're not going to get much more capability at 75° than you would at 50°." The limiter will allow an F-35 pilot to fly with "reckless abandon", which Flynn says is not possible in a Hornet because an F/A-18 can depart from controlled flight.

Both Raptor pilots take strong exception to the phrase "reckless abandon" that Flynn uses. The same terminology was used in the F-22 Dash-1 manual until one particular incident where a Raptor pilot experienced an "inverted spiral". Both say using the phrase is a serious mistake.

Lockheed declined to compare F-35 performance to clean configuration fourth-generation fighters saying such comparisons are irrelevant. "This comparison doesn't mean much, because a clean fourth-gen isn't carrying weapons," the second F-22 pilot says. The assumption for such a comparison would mean that a fourth generation fighter was forced to jettison its weapons and, if taken literally, its weapons pylons too. "Losing pylons is not a good thing during a protracted air campaign," he says.


IN FOCUS: Lockheed claims F-35 kinematics 'better than or equal to' Typhoon or Super Hornet
 

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F-35 can be really great replacement for F-16. IMHO we should wait a couple of years untill it's teething problems won't be solved to see it's true capabilities. Sam goes for F-22, I heard that some big upgrade is prepared for it.
 

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"No way an F-35 will ever match a Typhoon fighter jet in aerial combat" Eurofighter test pilot says


In an interesting piece by Flight's Dave Majumdar, Bill Flynn, Lockheed test pilot responsible for flight envelope expansion activities for the F-35 claimed that all three variants of the Joint Strike Fighter will have better kinematic performance than any fourth-generation fighter plane with combat payload, including the Eurofighter Typhoon (that during last year's Red Flag Alaska achieved several simulated kills against the F-22 Raptor) and the Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet.




"In terms of instantaneous and sustained turn rates and just about every other performance metric, the F-35 variants match or considerably exceed the capabilities of every fourth-generation fighter," Flyinn said.

According to the Lockheed pilot, (besides its stealthiness) the F-35 features better transonic acceleration and high AOA (angle-of-attack) flight performance than an armed Typhoon or Super Hornet.

As Majumdar says in his article, such claims are strongly disputed by other sources. Among them an experienced Eurofighter Typhoon industry test pilot, who tried to debunk all Flynn's "theories" about the alleged superior F-35 performance.

Here's what he wrote to The Aviationist:

No doubt the F-35 will be, when available, a very capable aircraft: its stealth design, extended range, internal carriage of stores and a variety of integrated sensors are definitely the ingredients for success in modern air-to-ground operations.

However, when time comes for air dominance, some other ingredients like thrust to weight ratio and wing loading tend to regulate the sky. And in that nothing comes close to a Typhoon, except an F-22 which has very similar values. The F-35 thrust to weight ratio is way lower and its energy-manoeuvrability diagrams match those of the F/A-18, which is an excellent result for a single engine aircraft loaded with several thousand pounds of fuel and significant armament.

But it also means that starting from medium altitude and above, there is no story with a similarly loaded Typhoon.


Dealing with the transonic acceleration:

Transonic acceleration is excellent in the F-35, as it is for the Typhoon and better than in an F/A-18 or F-16, but mainly due to its low drag characteristics than to its powerplant. That means that immediately after the transonic regime, the F-35 would stop accelerating and struggle forever to reach a non operationally suitable Mach 1.6.

The Typhoon will continue to accelerate supersonic with an impressive steady pull, giving more range to its BVR (Beyond Visual Range) armament.



For what concerns AOA:

Angle-of-attack is remarkably high in the F-35, as it is for all the twin tailed aircraft, but of course it can not be exploited in the supersonic regime, where the limiting load factor is achieved at low values of AoA.

Also in the subsonic regime, the angle-of-attack itself doesn't mean that much, especially if past a modest 12° AoA you are literally going to fall of the sky! Excessive energy bleeding rates would operationally limit the F-35 well before its ultimate AoA is reached.

Eurofighter superb engine-airframe matching, in combination with it's High Off-Bore-Sight armament supported by Helmet Cueing, has already and consistently proven winning against any angile fighter.

Last, the F-35 is capable of supersonic carriage of bombs in the bomb bay, but the fuel penalty becomes almost unaffordable, while delivery is limited to subsonic speeds by the armament itself as is for the Typhoon.


Concluding


it is in the facts that while the Typhoon can do most of the F-35 air-to-ground mission, vice versa the F-35 remains way far from a true swing role capability, and not even talking of regulating the skies.

Provided that the F-35 will be able to solve all its problems, and that the raising costs will not lead to a death spiral of order cuts, both the British RAF and the Italian Air Force will be equipped with both the JSF and the Typhoon.

Mock aerial combat training will tell us who's better in aerial combat.


The Aviationist » “No way an F-35 will ever match a Typhoon fighter jet in aerial combat” Eurofighter test pilot says
 

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I am not so sure about EF boasting Raptor kills, the 4 raptor kills were in visiual combat, no bvr, therefore no stealth advantage to the raptor, plus EF was using the IRIS-T and HMD while current raptor lacks a HMD therefore no high off boresight kills. The excercise was heavily in favor of the EF and also Rafale in the past. Funny everyone fails to report that the Raptor had plenty gun kills of the Raffy as well as the EF.

I not that sure about the F-35's lack of performance, I am sure it should be able to match or even out perform the EF, Raffy with a combat load in turns, aoa etc. After FOC, time for some real excercises between the EF, Raffy and F-35. Overall the F-35 would emerge victorious in such encounters, the overall situational awareness is better, great fov, great cockpit, incredible sensors, both Ef and raffy are toast in BVR, WVR as well, dogfights could go eitherway, comes down to pilot skills. situaltional awareness help in a dogfight and the f-35 will have plenty of it.
 

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Damn, the one thing that hadn't been giving us trouble, the engine.

(Reuters) - The Pentagon on Friday suspended the flights of all F-35 fighter planes after a routine inspection revealed a crack on a turbine blade in the jet engine of an F-35 test aircraft in California.

It was the second grounding of the warplane in two months.

The F-35 program office said it was too early to know if this was a fleet-wide issue, but it was suspending all flights until an investigation was completed.

It said it was working closely with Pratt & Whitney, the United Technologies Corp unit that builds the engine, and Lockheed Martin Corp, the prime contractor for the radar-evading warplane, to ensure the integrity of the engine and return the F-35 fleet to flight as soon as possible.

The Pentagon's F-35 program office began notifying the chiefs of the U.S. Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps late on Thursday about the engine issue and decision to ground the planes, said Kyra Hawn, a spokeswoman for the Pentagon's F-35 program office.

She said that during a routine inspection at Edwards Air Force Base in California on February 19 inspectors found a crack on a low pressure turbine blade that is part of the F-35's F135 engine. The blade was on F-35 A-model, or Air Force variant, which takes off and lands from conventional runways.
Pentagon suspends all F-35 flights due to crack in engine blade | Reuters
 

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A new weapon in the works?

Details emerge about Lockheed's Cuda missile
More details are emerging about Lockheed Martin's prospective Cuda hit-to-kill missile system.

According to a company product card being distributed at the Air Force Association's Air Warfare Symposium in Orlando, Florida, the weapon is a medium range air-to-air missile with a multi-mode seeker.

"Cuda is a highly lethal interceptor that defeats targets by direct body-to-body impact," Lockheed says. "At impact, Cuda sweeps its mass directly through the target at a selected point of vulnerability."

The company claims the Cuda will be a low cost weapon that will support "360° coverage", expand beyond visual range engagement zones and improve within visual range no-escape zones. It will also have extremely high-g maneuverability, Lockheed claims.

The company says the weapon will be effective against enemy warplanes, unmanned aircraft and other air threats. The Lockheed product card seems to indicate that the weapon might have some air-to-surface and anti-ship applications in addition to its air combat role.

With a length of 70 inches (1.78m), fifth-generation fighters like the Lockheed F-22 Raptor or F-35 Joint Strike Fighter would be able to potentially double or triple their air-to-air missile load-outs. That means, Lockheed claims, US and allied forces would be able to achieve air superiority "at a substantially lower cost per sortie."

F-22 pilots in particular have been asking for greater beyond visual range weapons capacity since the Raptor first entered operational testing about a decade ago.
 

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Elements Of Power: The Mysterious LM 'CUDA' Missile"...

The CUDA does not contain explosives allowing more fuel for range and maneuvering, because of no explosive and more compact electronics as well as lighter weight allows longer flights.

CUDA Fifth generation

The latest generation of short-range missiles again defined by advances in seeker technologies, this time electro-optical imaging infrared (IIR) seekers that allow the missiles to "see" images rather than single "points" of infrared radiation (heat). The sensors combined with more powerful digital signal processing provide the following benefits:[2]

greater infrared counter countermeasures (IRCCM) ability, by being able to distinguish aircraft from infrared countermeasures (IRCM) such as flares.
greater sensitivity means greater range and ability to identify smaller low flying targets such as UAVs.
more detailed target image allows targeting of more vulnerable parts of aircraft instead of just homing in on the brightest infrared source (exhaust).
 

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IN FOCUS: Lockheed claims F-35 kinematics 'better than or equal to' Typhoon or Super Hornet
If one were to overlay the energy-maneuverability (E-M) diagrams for the F/A-18, F-16 or Typhoon over the F-35's, "It is better. Comparable or better than every Western fourth-generation fighter out there," Flynn says.
Yes, yes. Only western fighters, no need to bring in Russian fighters, it will get embarrassing comparing to the latest Flanker. :thumb:
 

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