F-35 Joint Strike Fighter

[asianobserve]

These are redundant arguments.

He's simply repeating his arguments. The point is he has to sell Rafale even by ridiculously claiming its better than F-35... That to me is a snake oil salesman.

 

[Bhurki]

https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/defence-notes/norway-declares-ioc-f-35a/
Norway declares IOC for F-35A
The Royal Norwegian Air Force’s fleet of Lockheed Martin F-35As has achieved initial operational capability (IOC), becoming the third European country to declare the milestone after Italy and the UK.

‘I would like to congratulate the Norwegian armed forces on declaring IOC with the F-35,’ Frank Bakke-Jensen, Norway’s defence minister, said.

‘This is a big day for the entire armed forces.’

Norway’s ministry of defence announced the milestone on 6 November following two years of intensive operational testing and evaluation (OT&E).

This two-year period saw the F-35A trialled in ‘special Norwegian conditions’, including winter operations, operations in the northern areas of the country, and joint operations with the Norwegian army, navy and special forces.

The OT&E period was concluded with the Norwegian armed forces transferring aircraft and equipment from its home base at Ørland Air Station to Rygge Air Station, which validated that the fifth-generation aircraft could be operated away from its main base.

Norway’s F35As will deploy to Iceland next year to conduct air policing efforts on behalf of NATO, and in 2022 the air force will have enough F-35s, pilots and maintainers to allow the aircraft to take over the ‘quick reaction alert’ mission, which is a 24/7 alert and scramble capability based at Evenes Air Station.

Norway plans to buy a total of 52 F-35As, according to the MoD.

 

[BON PLAN]

IOC....
13 years after first flight.
what a nice joke from LM.

 

[BON PLAN]

https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/defence-notes/norway-declares-ioc-f-35a/
Norway declares IOC for F-35A
The Royal Norwegian Air Force’s fleet of Lockheed Martin F-35As has achieved initial operational capability (IOC), becoming the third European country to declare the milestone after Italy and the UK.

‘I would like to congratulate the Norwegian armed forces on declaring IOC with the F-35,’ Frank Bakke-Jensen, Norway’s defence minister, said.

‘This is a big day for the entire armed forces.’

Norway’s ministry of defence announced the milestone on 6 November following two years of intensive operational testing and evaluation (OT&E).

This two-year period saw the F-35A trialled in ‘special Norwegian conditions’, including winter operations, operations in the northern areas of the country, and joint operations with the Norwegian army, navy and special forces.

The OT&E period was concluded with the Norwegian armed forces transferring aircraft and equipment from its home base at Ørland Air Station to Rygge Air Station, which validated that the fifth-generation aircraft could be operated away from its main base.

Norway’s F35As will deploy to Iceland next year to conduct air policing efforts on behalf of NATO, and in 2022 the air force will have enough F-35s, pilots and maintainers to allow the aircraft to take over the ‘quick reaction alert’ mission, which is a 24/7 alert and scramble capability based at Evenes Air Station.

Norway plans to buy a total of 52 F-35As, according to the MoD.

This plane will be "really" FOC maybe one time. 2030 ?

But as a friend of mine say, for the moment it is only FUCK.

 

[asianobserve]

This plane will be "really" FOC maybe one time. 2030 ?

But as a friend of mine say, for the moment it is only FUCK.

It may not be FOC yet but it has already been "FUCKING" Rafale in all fighter tenders...

 

[Wisemarko]

America Is Stuck With a $400 Billion Stealth Fighter That Can’t Figh

Juvenile... Initially I thought some Thales or Dassault connection — adios. Back to work.

 

[Wisemarko]

Rafale is the best 4.5 generation fighter in the market. F 35 is the best 5th generation fighter in the market.

Hardly a way to seek parity here.

Totally forgot that in war rules of engagement will limit 4th Gen to engage only other 4th Gen.

 

[vampyrbladez]

Totally forgot that in war rules of engagement will limit 4th Gen to engage only other 4th Gen.

F 35A has slow speed manoeuvrability at par or better than a non TVC Su 30 series aircraft. The TWR of 1.13 - 1.16 at 40% internal fuel (far greater than it's contemporaries) which allows it to supercruise at M 1.2 for up to 150 Kms. This allows it to have similar agility as an F 16C Blk 50+ which combines the best of both worlds. Using it's HMDS and AIM 9X off boresight missiles, it can match up to top of the line 4.5 generation fighter jets.

In BVR mode, the F 35A is nigh unbeatable to the point where it will absolutely overwhelm the enemy fighters. A very good aircraft to replace F 16C/D, F 15E and F 18E/F. However the F 35C due to it's larger wings will suffer increased drag in the transonic regime of M 0.9 - M 1.2 which is why the USN is still buying the F 18E/F to fill in the fleet air superiority role.

 

[vampyrbladez]

The F 35A in it's 240-3 configuration was tested to Mach 1.67 which puts the upper limit of it's DSI at Mach 1.7 ; by comparison the F 18C/D is rated at Mach 1.7+ by the USN.

The exact performance of the current F-35A configuration—also known as the 240-4—are classified. But a similar earlier standard (240-3) was credited with a maximum speed of Mach 1.67; acceleration from Mach 0.8 to Mach 1.2 at 30,000 ft. in 61 sec.; a top turning speed of 370 kt. at 9g and 15,000 ft.; and a sustained turn capability of 4.95g at Mach 0.8 and 15,000 ft. Moreover, an aircraft with those performance figures would carry two beyond-visual-range AIM-120 Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missiles (Amraams) in the internal weapons bay.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2200542/posts

General Characteristics, C and D models
Primary Function: Multi-role attack and fighter aircraft.
Contractor: Prime: McDonnell Douglas; Major Subcontractor: Northrop.
Date Deployed: November 1978. Operational - October 1983 (A/B models); September 1987 (C/D models).
Unit Cost: $29 million.
Propulsion: Two F404-GE-402 enhanced performance turbofan engines. 17,700 pounds static thrust per engine.
Length: 56 feet (16.8 meters).
Height: 15 feet 4 inches (4.6 meters).
Wingspan: 40 feet 5 inches (13.5 meters).
Weight: Maximum Take Off Gross Weight is 51,900 pounds (23,537 kg).
Airspeed: Mach 1.7+.
Ceiling: 50,000+ feet.
Range: Combat: 1,089 nautical miles (1252.4 miles/2,003 km), clean plus two AIM-9s
Ferry: 1,546 nautical miles (1777.9 miles/2,844 km), two AIM-9s plus three 330 gallon tanks.
Crew: A, C and E models: One
B, D and F models: Two
Armament: One M61A1/A2 Vulcan 20mm cannon; AIM 9 Sidewinder, AIM 7 Sparrow, AIM-120 AMRAAM, Harpoon, Harm, SLAM, SLAM-ER, Maverick missiles; Joint Stand-Off Weapon (JSOW); Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM); various general purpose bombs, mines and rockets. See the F/A-18 weapons load-out page.

https://www.navy.mil/navydata/fact_display.asp?cid=1100&tid=1200&ct=1

 

[BON PLAN]

It may not be FOC yet but it has already been "FUCKING" Rafale in all fighter tenders...

Don't forget Netherlands : 0,02 point more on 10 , with a paper F35 able on paper to supercruise, to be as agile as a F16, and FOC. All 3 promises not kept.
And the Swiss tender will be very interesting.

The F35 is to USA what the "pizzo" is to Maffia. The price to paid to have a piece of the US umbrella...

 

[BON PLAN]

Juvenile... Initially I thought some Thales or Dassault connection — adios. Back to work.

second time you say me ADIOS.
The first was enough.
You are out of my scope. Too unbrained, as a typical average american.

 

[BON PLAN]

Totally forgot that in war rules of engagement will limit 4th Gen to engage only other 4th Gen.

same reasoning than when US decided to remove guns on fighters, relying on the famous Sparrow and Sidewinter missiles... even now AIM9X is unable to destroy a poor old russian junk jet.

 

[BON PLAN]

which allows it to supercruise at M 1.2 for up to 150 Kms.

It's not the supercruise definition. Definition made by LM itself !
In this case a lot of fighters are able to "supercruise".

 

[BON PLAN]

However the F 35C due to it's larger wings will suffer increased drag in the transonic regime of M 0.9 - M 1.2 which is why the USN is still buying the F 18E/F to fill in the fleet air superiority role.

No.
USN don't like the F35. Navy don't have the same approach about stealth.

 

[BON PLAN]

The F 35A in it's 240-3 configuration was tested to Mach 1.67

Landed in one single piece?
Able to make another flight just after, or the stealth coating had to be repaired?

 

[Wisemarko]

second time you say me ADIOS.
The first was enough.
You are out of my scope. Too unbrained, as a typical average american.

I don’t think you have any scope. At least not in defense industry

 

[Wisemarko]

USN is still buying the F 18E/F to fill in the fleet air superiority role.

You sound too sure.
Plan is to replace ALL F-18. 2017 budget allocation allowed only 14 Super Hornet buys for 2018. But due to excessive wear & tear due to Syrian war, the availability rates of Super Hornet felt dramatically to 30%. The new aircraft orders are to fulfill that immediate need. https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a22778556/us-navy-fighter-shortage-progress/

Current Navy carrier air wings each have four fighter squadrons equipped with the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet. The near term goal is to replace half of the Super Hornet fleet, the older half, with the F-35C Joint Strike Fighter.

The long term goal is for F/A-XX (a 6th generation aircraft) to replace the remaining Super Hornets, leaving each air wing with two F-35C squadrons and two F/A-XX squadrons. This is because there is residual life left in newer squadrons.

There is nothing that F-18 can do that F-35 cannot and you cannot replace F-35 with F-18. https://www.popsci.com/you-cant-replace-f35-with-f18-donald-trump-tweet/
Pardon our President.

 

[Armand2REP]

There is nothing that F-18 can do that F-35 cannot and you cannot replace F-35 with F-18. https://www.popsci.com/you-cant-replace-f35-with-f18-donald-trump-tweet/
Pardon our President.

You said you were an Indian working in the US on an H1 visa.

Who says I am American? I am an Indian IT worker in Silicon Valley on H1 visa. I am very proud of my Indian heritage. Show me some love!

I don't know any Indian that considers Trump their president.

 

[Immanuel]

Was the wreck recovered? NO Was the pilot body found? NO
The spatial disorientation is the preliminary report cause. No definitive answer so far.
Disorientation for a single pilot of a swing of four planes, on a basic flight without any aggresiv manoeuvers is a .... politically correct answer.

another way of explaining "too big to fail".

Nigga please! Wasn't the first Rafale crash also due to a disoriented pilot. So far F-35 already has more orders than Rafale and those inducting it are happy, the only ones bitching are armchair nobodies. Nigga Norway F-35 getting IOC in their respective airforce has nothing do to the fighter but national requirements and adherance to SOPs. Rafale won't get IOC in India for another 2-3 years and FOC will only be granted after the last of the 36 with ISE clears all trials, probably around 2023. So nigga take your dumb nigga logic and wipe your ass with it. You're ignorance has a pungent stink.

 

[Wisemarko]

You said you were an Indian working in the US on an H1 visa.


I don't know any Indian that considers Trump their president.

I thought I was an illegal Mexican. Que pasa?