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The F-35 Might Not Be Able to Fly in the Desert
November 7, 2019
The most expensive weapons program in U.S. military history has yet another technical problem.

by Sebastien Roblin

Key Point: The F-35 continues to have a litany of problems.


After eighteen years of troubled and controversial development, the Lockheed F-35 Lightning stealth fighter may soon enter mass production, many of its bugs having been expensively squashed after delivery of an initial four-hundred “low-rate-of-initial-production” aircraft.


However, a June 2019 scoop by Defense News journalists Valerie Insinna, David Larter and Aaron Mehta has revealed thirteen serious Category-1 flaws remain.

As reported by Insinna and Larter, on two occasions late in 2011 an F-35B and F-35C flying near their maximum service ceiling of 50,000 feet damaged themselves using their afterburners to attain speeds of Mach 1.3 and 1.4.

Remarkably, these eight-year-old incidents had not been previously reported to the public, despite numerous critical reports by the Government Accountability Office and Department of Testing & Evaluation.


Officially, all models of the F-35 have a maximum speed of Mach 1.6, though such speeds are rarely attained in routine operations. Like all but a few jet fighters, the F-35 relies on afterburners to sustain supersonic speeds. These bypass the jet’s turbine to inject fuel directly into the tailpipe, producing a huge boost in speed at the expense of gulping fuel and causing a brilliant plume of hot exhaust to trail behind the fighter, as you can see in this video.

However, the documents obtained by Defense News reported that heat from afterburner exhaust caused an F-35B to experience “bubbling and blistering” of its radar-absorbent materials (RAM) and of its horizontal tail surfaces and boom.


Heat damage also “compromised the structural integrity” of the horizontal tail and boom of an F-35C. Sensitive sensors buried inside the skin of the rear tail surfaces could also have proven susceptible to damage.

Since the incident, the Marines have instituted a policy requiring F-35B pilots not to engage afterburners for more than eighty seconds cumulatively at Mach 1.3, or forty seconds at Mach 1.4. Navy F-35C pilots have fifty seconds at Mach 1.3 to ration.


To “reset” the afterburner allowance, they must then allow three minutes non-afterburning flight for the tail area to cool down to avert damage.

Though looser restrictions on safe afterburner usage exist for other jets, the document apparently acknowledges the restrictions imposed on the F-35B and C are “not practical/observable in operationally relevant scenarios.”


After all, a pilot in a combat situation would likely struggle to count exactly how many seconds the afterburners have been cumulatively engaged while attempting to manage the many other tasks demanding his or her attention.

An F-35 pilot might still choose to exceed afterburner limits during an urgent combat scenario, accepting the risk that the plane might sustain “degradation of [stealth], damage to antennas, and/or significant horizontal tail damage.” However, this could then result in the jet being removed from operations while it awaits depot-level maintenance, which could be especially problematic for carrier-based squadrons.


The Pentagon and Lockheed Martin, however, maintain the problem is minor—noting that the damage occurred only near the F-35’s maximum altitude, and insisting that since the incidents in 2011 the afterburner damage has never been replicated despite multiple attempts.

F-35 program lead George Ulmer characterized the tests as being performed at the “highest extremes of flight testing conditions that are unlikely replicated in operational scenarios.”


Furthermore, new thermal coatings first introduced on Lot 8 of the F-35s have reduced the risk of thermal damage. However, Ullmer also admits the coating hasn’t eliminated the problem, which is deemed too rare to warrant further correction.

This last caveat, combined with the fact that the restrictions on afterburner-usage apparently still remain in effect, strike a discordant note to the confidence that the afterburner damages reported in 2011 were merely freak incidents.


Though rare, pilots may resort to sustained afterburners in scenarios, such as attempting to intercept bombers or missiles racing towards an aircraft carrier—an especially vital job for carrier-based fighters.

An F-35 seeking to evade incoming enemy fighters or anti-aircraft missile might also resort to sustained afterburners. Stealth aircraft are by no means completely undetectable, and part of the way Lightning pilots will seek to manage the threat posed by more agile incoming fighters is by keeping their distance.


Other Category-1B Issues

Of the other Category-1 deficiencies, the most serious is an incident reported on by Aaron Mehta in which the lift fans on an F-35B vertically landing on the amphibious ship USS Essex failed to generate enough thrust due to ambient temperatures above 90-degrees Fahrenheit. The Lightning managed to land, but its pilot was “shaken.”


Obviously, high temperatures are common in areas such as the Middle East, and such failures could lead to hard, damaging landings or accidents. Though the incident was apparently unique, it reportedly risks occurring to F-35Bs which have flown for more than 750 hours and are heavily loaded for combat operations.


The F-35 program leads do admit the problem could recur and have begun implementing software patches and recalibrated throttle valves to address the problem.

Two other Category-1 issues arose from visual artifacts associated with the pilot’s “X-Ray vision” flight helmets that are expected to be fixed with new forthcoming Generation III helmets. Software patches, meanwhile, are expected to address a buggy battery-failure reports in low-temperature environments, while mechanical fixes are hoped to address cabin pressure regulation spikes which caused excruciating sinus pains in two pilots.

The Navy is also dissatisfied that the F-35’s radar can only perform tight-beam rather than wide-area searches for ships at sea; however, maritime scanning capabilities are set to be improved in the forthcoming Block 4 upgrade.

Insinna and Mehta also cover the extensive problems in both functionality, cyber-security and data-sovereignty associated with the F-35’s ALIS ground-based logistic systems. These well-known problems have proven so pervasive they may lead the Air Force to simply develop in-house software to replace it entirely.

As successful fourth-generation jets like the F-16 and F-14 Tomcat also had troubled early services lives until their bugs were weeded out, the F-35’s proponents argue the new jet is merely experiencing typical growing pains.

Lockheed Martin maintains the newly revealed flaws by Defense News are either on the verge of being fixed or have not been experienced with any frequency. However, the failure to report these supposedly rare problems may inspire some doubts about the program’s transparency as it pushes for approval to begin full-rate production.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/f-35-might-not-be-able-fly-desert-94081
Seems like the problem is solved! The B and C models haven't faced similar issues since the thermal coating in Lot 8 was applied.

As justification for the decision, Winter noted that the issue was documented while the jet was flying at the very edge of its flight envelope. He also said the phenomenon only occurred once for both the B and C models, despite numerous attempts to replicate the conditions that caused the problem.
The new coating, which was introduced in Lot 8, allows the jet to withstand hotter temperatures caused by the afterburner, the documents stated. Winter characterized the material as able to withstand “what we call the thermal shock wave,” but declined to specify how the coating works or how much protection it provides.
“But I would want to get context for that number: Does this represent 0.002 percent of all sorties? If that’s the case, I don’t give a sh--, and I’ll probably have 15 other things fail before that."
https://www.defensenews.com/air/201...e-big-problems-for-the-f-35s-stealth-coating/
 

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“The solution is: ‘Hey, we’ll just limit the afterburner to less than a minute at a time ”

Doesn't sound like much of a solution...
The scenario was attempted to be replicated but ended but with nothing. The Lot 8 thermal coating must have done the trick AFAIK.
 

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The scenario was attempted to be replicated but ended but with nothing. The Lot 8 thermal coating must have done the trick AFAIK.
As far as that article you posted they are restricting the running to one minute at a time. That is how they solved it...
 

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I don't think you have any brain. classical average american.
Average Americans saved French arse from German gang**pe. A real French would never talk about Americans like you. I know many.

This average American knows way more than you in defense so let’s not go there. You have no access or knowledge in this field.

Stop masquerading as French- that would be your good start. Because right now you sound juvenile and pitiful.
 

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Thank you! Not many say that about him. May be we will all learn from his infinite wisdom one day.
Saved the F 35 program, great economy, made China kneel via tariffs, pro RW populist, stronger military, billionaire, fucked more beautiful women than digits on my person (20+), made Mexico guard the US-Mexico border and stop illegal immigration, brought back manufacturing, renegotiated NAFTA (now USMCA), etc I could go on and on............................

Count yourselves lucky after that idiot Obama you got a decent President.
 

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As far as that article you posted they are restricting the running to one minute at a time. That is how they solved it...
That was as of 2011. The Program Manager mentioned only the Lot 8 thermal coating. Thus the restrictions have been either removed or watered down considerably.
 

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That was as of 2011. The Program Manager mentioned only the Lot 8 thermal coating. Thus the restrictions have been either removed or watered down considerably.
The article you posted is 21 weeks old, so that would be 2019 and published after the thermal coat.
 

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Saved the F 35 program, great economy, made China kneel via tariffs, pro RW populist, stronger military, billionaire, fucked more beautiful women than digits on my person (20+), made Mexico guard the US-Mexico border and stop illegal immigration, brought back manufacturing, renegotiated NAFTA (now USMCA), etc I could go on and on............................

Count yourselves lucky after that idiot Obama you got a decent President.
You seem way too sure about everything including US politics.. and its impact on Americans while sitting in India. That’s good on you. Next time we will all consult you on which candidate to vote for.
 

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You seem way too sure about everything including US politics.. and its impact on Americans while sitting in India. That’s good on you. Next time we will all consult you on which candidate to vote for.
It's simple common sense and numbers.................................
 

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Saved the F 35 program, great economy, made China kneel via tariffs, pro RW populist, stronger military, billionaire, fucked more beautiful women than digits on my person (20+), made Mexico guard the US-Mexico border and stop illegal immigration, brought back manufacturing, renegotiated NAFTA (now USMCA), etc I could go on and on............................

Count yourselves lucky after that idiot Obama you got a decent President.

Yeah, Trump made Russia great again!
 

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The solution quote from your article I quoted was made at the time the article was published which was 21 weeks ago.
The report was from 2011. LRIP-8 was from 2014 onwards. Issue seems to be resolved now.

3rd time I am repeating this.
 

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