India took away a large chunk of Korean aerospace industry due to India being more advanced in aviation compared to korea, that’s why such BS coming out of this account.
“Indian made airframes low quality” and koreans will believe it “BeCoZ InDiA iS PoOr, 3rd wOrLd AnD uSeLeSs”.
That’s why those apache airframes passed every tests in India as well as USA, come on. TATA also manufactures the semi delta wings of the F-16s, manufactures the Pilatus PC-12 aircrafts, in future C-295 and their own aircraft which they have acquired as well. All high quality.
Lockheed Martin, their Sikorsky, Boeing and Airbus all make their aircraft components in India so that they can get low quality airframes ? Koreans are far ahead of India in manufacturing no doubt but they somehow are not great in aviation industry wrt India. So ignore this account.
Koreans last time claimed “Intercontinental Junk Fighter-17 Jadeed Tareen Asmani Ladaka Taiyyara and KAI FA-50 Golden Eagle are finalists of Malaysian light fighter RFI”, and later removed their own article later. Lol.
Love Korea but this guy running the account is a noob.
DEW is just a concept as of now . They will probably fit something small with close quarter ranges which will be more of a defensive suit of energy against enemy missiles rather than an attack weapon.
Yeah, I know. But that alone combined with miniature swarm drones gives an order of magnitude of protection to jets that does not exist today. Its an entire new layer of protection, similar to how Hardkill APS on tanks added a new layer of protection.
Attack DEW is obviously not coming in this half of the century. We need a breakthrough in energy storage densities for that to be a plausible weapon on a jet.
Yeah, I know. But that alone combined with miniature swarm drones gives an order of magnitude of protection to jets that does not exist today. Its an entire new layer of protection, similar to how Hardkill APS on tanks added a new layer of protection.
Attack DEW is obviously not coming in this half of the century. We need a breakthrough in energy storage densities for that to be a plausible weapon on a jet.
Drone swarm can be added to any jets which is sufficiently networked. That will probably see more twin seater jets like su30mki so that their is a proper drone operater present.
Imo 6th gen would be known as data centres,with their processing power they would become flying computers and i think focus would be more on soft kill than kinetic kill.
Imo 6th gen would be known as data centres,with their processing power they would become flying computers and i think focus would be more on soft kill than kinetic kill.
There is far more synergy between army and drdo now. Just like atags and lch it will be a success since both army and drdo are on the same page since the beginning and army is under heavy criticism if it imports anymore tanks or artillery.
Also production will probably be done by private sector so army will be happy with that.
There is far more synergy between army and drdo now. Just like atags and lch it will be a success since both army and drdo are on the same page since the beginning and army is under heavy criticism if it imports anymore tanks or artillery.
Also production will probably be done by private sector so army will be happy with that.
Orders will come soon . As soon as pandemic slows down. There is a huge list of ready products to be ordered from lch to atags to kestral etc.
All will come soon.
Drone swarm can be added to any jets which is sufficiently networked. That will probably see more twin seater jets like su30mki so that their is a proper drone operater present.
You are talking about the upcoming generation of drone swarms. Future drone swarms will have much better autonomy due to leaps in AI technology (which will happen much faster than leaps in other areas of air combat). In addition, the kind of swarms I am talking about will be carried inside 6th gen fighters and will be used to defend against missiles. A kind of swarm of tiny interceptor missiles. Current CATS systems don't have anything like that. The kind of future system I am takling about won't just plug and play with current 4th and 5th gen fighters because it relies on magazine capacity for effectiveness. Large 6th gen planes will be able to carry a swarm inside them.
^At 2:43 Serrio Mal intercepts Rocinante's missiles.
^At 0:43 Rocinante's missile swarm intercepts the UNN battleship's missiles and defends the Razorback.
I know its "just a TV show" but the idea has merit. A swarm of HTK interceptors carried inside or flying as wingmen to your jet and if enemy BVRAAMs come close and evasion; soft-kill through ECM and DIRCM; hard-kill through DEW, all fails, you use the HTK interceptor swarm to block multiple BVRAAMs. And why just stop at HTK interceptors. Some of these mini interceptors can have an HPM warhead that EMPs the incoming BVRAAM.
This will force future BVRAAM to evolve as well, relying on AI to evade HTK interceptors and flying in swarms to saturate enemy jet's hard-kill defences. This then points to requirement of a larger BVRAAM carriage capacity, all hinting towards heavier fighter jets.
The major technological challenges towards making such a swarm of HTK defensive missile swarm will likely be:-
Control: By 2040, AI will easily evolve to be autonomous enough to not require human intervention to complete a BVRAAM interception and to keep up with AI of future BVRAAM.
Propulsion: Simple solid rocket motors won't work. Throttling and ramjets will become indispensable. Good that we have SFDR to rely on. More energy dense fuels will be needed, there is progress in that as well.
Manuever: Much higher Gs will be required to handle interceptions from the rear. Can be done through advances in composite material tech, especially better reinforcement fibers. Tiny attitude control thrusters in the nose are already a thing in missiles.
Miniaturization: One thing that works in favour is the defensive nature of the HTK missiles which won't have to fly far to hit the incoming BVRAAM. The more challenging part will be miniaturization (and ruggedization) of electronics.
Although this tech looks super-advanced, by my assessment, the Americans will have the capability to make these things by 2040-45. As you said, drone capability can be added later, so even if Americans roll-out their 6th gen fighters by 2040, they can add this capability 5 years later. DEW will be required to be ready by 2040. Looking at their current progress, I think they can have DEW weapons ready by 2040. These two will be some of the defining capabilities of 6th gen fighters. Now imagine 4th gen fighters supported by a swarm of current CATS systems going against this machine. 4th gen are going to be toast. Hard-kill against BVRAAM completely changes the game, and that is how 6th Gen air warfare should (and likely would) be defined.
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What the Europeans are doing looks like a half-hearted attempt at a 5.5th Gen fighter. Despite of what they say, other than the engine and a couple of planned capabilities such as cooperative engagement, nothing about their jets is 6th Gen. Heck, take away the engine and everything else they are planning is already planned for AMCA Mk2.
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Overall, 6th Gen should be able to:-
Fly further with much larger weapons load (meaning it needs breakthroughs in engine efficiency which is already happening with major leaps in materials, CFD and adaptive cycle)
Have better stealth (newer RAM, RAS; tailless design and fluidic thrust vectoring; better IR suppression due to third airstream in engine)
Have capability to hardkill BVRAAM swarm (DEW and large capacity of autonomous HTK defensive missile swarm)
Advanced Avionics (Photonic radar; Advanced AI-assistance to pilot enabling just one pilot to handle the wingmen swarm, defensive missile swarm, any offensive BVRAAM swarm launched, flying the jet itself i.e. optionally manned, combat manuever, tactical decisions, etc; Advanced, all-aspect, fused sensors with quantum communication that is capable of networking to the level that each sensor of each asset on a battlefield is able to act like a part of a gigantic distributed aperture, and therefore each 6th gen jet should be able to seamlessly share data (5th Gen has already addressed this to an extent); hardening of avionics against future HPM devices and DEW. Fusing data from all these things will require a much higher computing power)
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Next Gen AI enabled BVRAAM that can tackle swarms of enemy defensive HTK missiles and still defeat enemy jets.
Simpler maintenance, better availability and quicker turnaround times (AI enabled predictive Structural Health Monitoring, robotics, modularization, no hydraulics, more rugged RAM/RAS, fluidic thrust vectoring, etc)
First step is defining what 6th gen warfare will look like based on technologies expected to mature in next two decades. Next step is deciding the role of the fighter jet in it (including mission profiles). After that the first step in design of a 6th gen fighter is "sizing". I've briefly laid out all these steps and to me it looks like 6th Gen fighters should be heavy.
You are talking about the upcoming generation of drone swarms. Future drone swarms will have much better autonomy due to leaps in AI technology (which will happen much faster than leaps in other areas of air combat). In addition, the kind of swarms I am talking about will be carried inside 6th gen fighters and will be used to defend against missiles. A kind of swarm of tiny interceptor missiles. Current CATS systems don't have anything like that. The kind of future system I am takling about won't just plug and play with current 4th and 5th gen fighters because it relies on magazine capacity for effectiveness. Large 6th gen planes will be able to carry a swarm inside them.
^At 2:43 Serrio Mal intercepts Rocinante's missiles.
^At 0:43 Rocinante's missile swarm intercepts the UNN battleship's missiles and defends the Razorback.
I know its "just a TV show" but the idea has merit. A swarm of HTK interceptors carried inside or flying as wingmen to your jet and if enemy BVRAAMs come close and evasion; soft-kill through ECM and DIRCM; hard-kill through DEW, all fails, you use the HTK interceptor swarm to block multiple BVRAAMs. And why just stop at HTK interceptors. Some of these mini interceptors can have an HPM warhead that EMPs the incoming BVRAAM.
This will force future BVRAAM to evolve as well, relying on AI to evade HTK interceptors and flying in swarms to saturate enemy jet's hard-kill defences. This then points to requirement of a larger BVRAAM carriage capacity, all hinting towards heavier fighter jets.
The major technological challenges towards making such a swarm of HTK defensive missile swarm will likely be:-
Control: By 2040, AI will easily evolve to be autonomous enough to not require human intervention to complete a BVRAAM interception and to keep up with AI of future BVRAAM.
Propulsion: Simple solid rocket motors won't work. Throttling and ramjets will become indispensable. Good that we have SFDR to rely on. More energy dense fuels will be needed, there is progress in that as well.
Manuever: Much higher Gs will be required to handle interceptions from the rear. Can be done through advances in composite material tech, especially better reinforcement fibers. Tiny attitude control thrusters in the nose are already a thing in missiles.
Miniaturization: One thing that works in favour is the defensive nature of the HTK missiles which won't have to fly far to hit the incoming BVRAAM. The more challenging part will be miniaturization (and ruggedization) of electronics.
Although this tech looks super-advanced, by my assessment, the Americans will have the capability to make these things by 2040-45. As you said, drone capability can be added later, so even if Americans roll-out their 6th gen fighters by 2040, they can add this capability 5 years later. DEW will be required to be ready by 2040. Looking at their current progress, I think they can have DEW weapons ready by 2040. These two will be some of the defining capabilities of 6th gen fighters. Now imagine 4th gen fighters supported by a swarm of current CATS systems going against this machine. 4th gen are going to be toast. Hard-kill against BVRAAM completely changes the game, and that is how 6th Gen air warfare should (and likely would) be defined.
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What the Europeans are doing looks like a half-hearted attempt at a 5.5th Gen fighter. Despite of what they say, other than the engine and a couple of planned capabilities such as cooperative engagement, nothing about their jets is 6th Gen. Heck, take away the engine and everything else they are planning is already planned for AMCA Mk2.
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Overall, 6th Gen should be able to:-
Fly further with much larger weapons load (meaning it needs breakthroughs in engine efficiency which is already happening with major leaps in materials, CFD and adaptive cycle)
Have better stealth (newer RAM, RAS; tailless design and fluidic thrust vectoring; better IR suppression due to third airstream in engine)
Have capability to hardkill BVRAAM swarm (DEW and large capacity of autonomous HTK defensive missile swarm)
Advanced Avionics (Photonic radar; Advanced AI-assistance to pilot enabling just one pilot to handle the wingmen swarm, defensive missile swarm, any offensive BVRAAM swarm launched, flying the jet itself i.e. optionally manned, combat manuever, tactical decisions, etc; Advanced, all-aspect, fused sensors with quantum communication that is capable of networking to the level that each sensor of each asset on a battlefield is able to act like a part of a gigantic distributed aperture, and therefore each 6th gen jet should be able to seamlessly share data (5th Gen has already addressed this to an extent); hardening of avionics against future HPM devices and DEW. Fusing data from all these things will require a much higher computing power)
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Next Gen AI enabled BVRAAM that can tackle swarms of enemy defensive HTK missiles and still defeat enemy jets.
Simpler maintenance, better availability and quicker turnaround times (AI enabled predictive Structural Health Monitoring, robotics, modularization, no hydraulics, more rugged RAM/RAS, fluidic thrust vectoring, etc)
First step is defining what 6th gen warfare will look like based on technologies expected to mature in next two decades. Next step is deciding the role of the fighter jet in it (including mission profiles). After that the first step in design of a 6th gen fighter is "sizing". I've briefly laid out all these steps and to me it looks like 6th Gen fighters should be heavy.
It's self contradictory. If 6th gen birds can have a dew protection suit than carrying small drones for self defence is redundant since a wall or layers of energy offer far more robust protection than any number of small drones can. Secondly internal weapons bay can only be so much bigger . We see giant aircrafts like f22 and j20 struggling with 4-6 air to air missiles. Even much bigger planes will still just carry only a bit more. Drones will take as much space if not more.
Ultimately it's a game of optimization . What best utilise the space. Ew defence soft kill defence through energy weapons seems much better way of protection .
Overall the goal is to keep the aircraft out of harms way totally that's why unmanned team is there to enter the enemy territory so that 5-6 gen jets can stay out of danger and keep commanding mission from afar. This is also why longer range weapons are upcoming. USA recently announced 1700 miles range missiles.
That's where future is going now.
We may see some dedicated motherships for smaller drones swarms. But what's Stopping from using current bombers for thag purpose.
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India took away a large chunk of Korean aerospace industry due to India being more advanced in aviation compared to korea, that’s why such BS coming out of this account.
“Indian made airframes low quality” and koreans will believe it “BeCoZ InDiA iS PoOr, 3rd wOrLd AnD uSeLeSs”.
That’s why those apache airframes passed every tests in India as well as USA, come on. TATA also manufactures the semi delta wings of the F-16s, manufactures the Pilatus PC-12 aircrafts, in future C-295 and their own aircraft which they have acquired as well. All high quality.
Lockheed Martin, their Sikorsky, Boeing and Airbus all make their aircraft components in India so that they can get low quality airframes ? Koreans are far ahead of India in manufacturing no doubt but they somehow are not great in aviation industry wrt India. So ignore this account.
Koreans last time claimed “Intercontinental Junk Fighter-17 Jadeed Tareen Asmani Ladaka Taiyyara and KAI FA-50 Golden Eagle are finalists of Malaysian light fighter RFI”, and later removed their own article later. Lol.
Love Korea but this guy running the account is a noob.
It's self contradictory. If 6th gen birds can have a dew protection suit than carrying small drones for self defence is redundant since a wall or layers of energy offer far more robust protection than any number of small drones can. Secondly internal weapons bay can only be so much bigger . We see giant aircrafts like f22 and j20 struggling with 4-6 air to air missiles. Even much bigger planes will still just carry only a bit more. Drones will take as much space if not more.
Ultimately it's a game of optimization . What best utilise the space. Ew defence soft kill defence through energy weapons seems much better way of protection .
Overall the goal is to keep the aircraft out of harms way totally that's why unmanned team is there to enter the enemy territory so that 5-6 gen jets can stay out of danger and keep commanding mission from afar. This is also why longer range weapons are upcoming. USA recently announced 1700 miles range missiles.
That's where future is going now.
We may see some dedicated motherships for smaller drones swarms. But what's Stopping from using current bombers for thag purpose.
Not exactly. Its complementary, not contradictory.
DEW are still limited by onboard energy available. They can't keep firing again and again, need some time to charge up again. Add to that they need time to hardkill a BVRAAM. and can only hardkill one at a time so its easy to overwhelm DEW defences. Yes, for softkill, DEW can handle a swarm, but not for hardkill.
As for missile capacity, I am talking about miniaturization for a reason.
Asked why they are looking at this capability, they are saying this is to enable penetration into contested A2AD environment. And this is being developed now. Imagine where this tech will be in 2040 and beyond. So the goal is stand-off capability, but that is not the only goal. There is a requirement to be able to breach A2AD environments at will. There is a reason USAF calls its 6th Gen program Penetrating Counter Air
Imo 6th gen would be known as data centres,with their processing power they would become flying computers and i think focus would be more on soft kill than kinetic kill.
? Koreans are far ahead of India in manufacturing no doubt but they somehow are not great in aviation industry wrt India. So ignore this account.
