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[johnj]

I have only seen one example of IFV with APS actually being used, that is Hungary - And they are not exactly role models. Even Israel, who pioneered APS tech, chose not to put them on most of its IFVs. (though even if they do do it in the future, it would still not apply to our situation since their IFV is more armoured than their MBT). Rest all have trials and stuff, dont see large scale adoptions.

The entire point of IFVs is to operate in close proximity to troops - If you separate the two, IFV is just reduced to a shitty tank with seating capacity :/

Primary offensive and defensive power of IFV is the troops it carries, not the armour or munitions. It is not the spear, the troops are the spear. IFVs are supposed to provide covering fire while the troops seize the objective.

Another thing to keep in mind - IFVs , and armour in general, is not meant to be invulnerable - All these systems (APS, heavy armour, ERA, sensor data) are just meant to increase survivability. In the end, these can all be defeated, and ever since armour came on to the battlefeild back in WW1, there were cheap counters to it.

Sums it up pretty nicely:-

"Ask not what you can do to the tank - Ask what the tank can do to you"

Same goes for IFVs.

US Army completes Iron First active protection system trial on Bradley IFV

In 2016, the Army chose to test the Iron Fist lightweight decoupled system to protect its medium- and light-armored vehicles. Initial testing in 2018 was to validate the vendor’s (General Dynamics and Elbit Systems, Inc.) performance claims. Congress provided additional funding in fiscal year 2022, toward the goal of equipping an entire Army brigade of Bradley vehicles in 2025 with continued funding.

3 IFV/APC with APS - Namer, lynx, Bradley.
Also majority of MBT in the world lacks APS. IA having zero APS equipped vehicles[MBT].

 

[Kuldeepm952]

I have only seen one example of IFV with APS actually being used, that is Hungary - And they are not exactly role models. Even Israel, who pioneered APS tech, chose not to put them on most of its IFVs. (though even if they do do it in the future, it would still not apply to our situation since their IFV is more armoured than their MBT). Rest all have trials and stuff, dont see large scale adoptions.

The entire point of IFVs is to operate in close proximity to troops - If you separate the two, IFV is just reduced to a shitty tank with seating capacity :/

Primary offensive and defensive power of IFV is the troops it carries, not the armour or munitions. It is not the spear, the troops are the spear. IFVs are supposed to provide covering fire while the troops seize the objective.

Another thing to keep in mind - IFVs , and armour in general, is not meant to be invulnerable - All these systems (APS, heavy armour, ERA, sensor data) are just meant to increase survivability. In the end, these can all be defeated, and ever since armour came on to the battlefeild back in WW1, there were cheap counters to it.

Sums it up pretty nicely:-

"Ask not what you can do to the tank - Ask what the tank can do to you"

Same goes for IFVs.

Well our brotha Russia seems to put aps on every armata, bumerang and kurganets platform so let's see which way IA goes.

 

[Corvus Splendens]

Well our brotha Russia seems to put aps on every armata, bumerang and kurganets platform so let's see which way IA goes.

The word of the day is "retraining". The entirety of our armored corps training will have to be redone, especially how infantry moves with tanks. Russians don't care, most of their manpower is mechanized. Our brass don't even like adopting collapsible buttstocks on rifles because it'd require retraining.

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

 

[jai jaganath]

@abingdonboy ji see it has 2 eo pods for hunter killer capability

 

[abingdonboy]

@abingdonboy ji see it has 2 eo pods for hunter killer capability

Yup, very happy to be wrong, looks much more refined than production models

hope they order a LOT more of these things and drop the turret onto other platforms. Every armoured brigade should have a company of these

 

[WarmongerLSK]

Spoiler: backup

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

Yup, very happy to be wrong, looks much more refined than production models

hope they order a LOT more of these things and drop the turret onto other platforms. Every armoured brigade should have a company of these

Alteast in plain’s shouldn’t they carry 12 of these missile? It seems it might have space for more.

 

[AnantS]

Alteast in plain’s shouldn’t they carry 12 of these missile? It seems it might have space for more.

well i think its more due to platform chosen here, bmp. Earlier 12 or 8 launcher gave way to 6 launcher- 6 refill - i guess so that bmp has some grunt left for battle maneuvers.

 

[Love Charger]

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Congratulations sir , finally you got time to start your own family .
Your kid is so kwaiii,

 

[Gyyan]

A nice idea hope we start working on something similar

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

A nice idea hope we start working on something similar

We already have a similar concept in form of the Rudram-2, can be used for both Anti-radiation and Air to Surface roles with change in seeker assembly.

 

[Gyyan]

We already have a similar concept in form of the Rudram-2, can be used for both Anti-radiation and Air to Surface roles with change in seeker assembly.View attachment 190111

I meant the recon payloads and ew payload.

And yes also the replaceable payload too.

 

[abingdonboy]

Alteast in plain’s shouldn’t they carry 12 of these missile? It seems it might have space for more.

Currently they have 12 (6 ready to go and 6 reloads)

it does look like they could accommodate another pair of launchers on the edges to take it to 8 in the tubes but I wonder what the limiting factor is here, the IA is as we know obsessed with the weight of IDDM products so maybe they wouldn’t want 30% more capability if it cost another ~500KG

I’d also like to see them build dual/single tube launchers for NAG that can fit on the turrets of BMP/FICV like the javelin is on the Bradley. Even the ASLV has a flat bed that could accommodate 2-3 tubes I’d have thought. IA needs to stop thinking conventionally and be dynamic, cram as much firepower everywhere possible

 

[thebakofbakchod]

Are these delivery schedules or development? Arent many of these already developed?

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

What kind of engine does mq-4c trion drone uses its kind of big

 

[jai jaganath]

Are these delivery schedules or development? Arent many of these already developed?

I think it's delivery timeline bcoz it seems to match our fighter programs delivery timeline
Might be as suggested by handler that it's old pic and we might have completed before the expected timeline

 

[Kuldeepm952]

I meant the recon payloads and ew payload.View attachment 190112
And yes also the replaceable payload too.

Remember CATS Hunter

 

[Chinmoy]

Alteast in plain’s shouldn’t they carry 12 of these missile? It seems it might have space for more.

It does carries 12 missiles. 6 in ready to fire mode and 6 in storage.

 

[Chinmoy]

I meant the recon payloads and ew payload.View attachment 190112
And yes also the replaceable payload too.

And what good it would deliver in that role?