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True , but still , u can land one vertically down with no engine power - meaning lesser noise . It's something of value.
Again that feature may be useful on plains, but not in hills. Okay you for some way achieve auto rotation landing . now for take off you need a flat take off strip - otherwise your gyros shall be plonked by enemy. Also as @Okabe Rintarou mentioned Gyros need height to operate , they cant fly in nap of the earth profile. Also gyros were popular in ww2, when hepters were still being researched.
 
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Ok guys can anyone write down the process of what actually happens after rfi to induction (forget about delayed I'm just asking what actually is the process in a normal situation)
 

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May be some nuts, bolts, doors and so on. We really don't export fully manufactured systems perhaps some minor radars like Swathi....ALH's are another product but unlikely the current players would let us take market entry into EU....middle east is where we should focus with some dedicated plan. This poland talk is pure BS
Poland bought, LCAs from South Korea recently. Could move in helis dept, Ships, SAMs (SAMs seems most probable to me)
 

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I think Poland doesn't want to be completely dependent on USA. That's why diversification. South Korea has been increasing there presence in defence market.
If you make a good enough case they will buy especially if it's cost effective. Convincing them would be a bit difficult but not impossible.
 

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WTF is this dude on about? There are so many in India like LMW, ACE micromatic, Jyoti, HMT, etc.


Ok guys can anyone write down the process of what actually happens after rfi to induction (forget about delayed I'm just asking what actually is the process in a normal situation)
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Is SCE-200& SE-2000 are same anyone know? because 200 in SCE-200 is 200 tonnes of thrust but what is this new engine?
Basically there are two designations:-

For engines its either CE (Cryogenic Engine) or SCE (SemiCryogenic Engine, followed by a hyphen and their thrust output in ton force)
SCE-200
200 ton thrust semicryogenic engine

CE-20
20 ton thrust cryogenic engine

For rocket stages its either SC for semicryogenic stage or C for cryogenic stage or L for hypergolic stage or S for solid stage followed by the propellant filled weight in tons.
SC120
Semicryogenic Stage with 120 ton propellant

SC400
Semicryogenic Stage with 400 ton propellant

C32
Cryogenic Stage with 32 ton propellant

S200
Solid Stage with 200 ton propellant

Anything else is a typo.
 

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Poland bought, LCAs from South Korea recently. Could move in helis dept, Ships, SAMs (SAMs seems most probable to me)
SK is a full fledged bottom up supply chain with real products deployed in their force even if it has heavily borrowed components from US and Europe. We are not there yet, why this hurry and simply not focus on domestic side 100% for now like the way Japan did....
 

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SK is a full fledged bottom up supply chain with real products deployed in their force even if it has heavily borrowed components from US and Europe. We are not there yet, why this hurry and simply not focus on domestic side 100% for now like the way Japan did....
Ha? What makes it according to you that we shouldn't put LCA, Different SAMs, ASTrA, Rudram and Radars on offer to others why?
 

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WTF is this dude on about? There are so many in India like LMW, ACE micromatic, Jyoti, HMT, etc.
We actually have self reliance in medium technology CNC machines, including SPMs. This is rather visible in fields like automotives

Where we fall short is high end five axis universal machining centers and stuff, but it looks like we are catching up on that too.
 

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We actually have self reliance in medium technology CNC machines, including SPMs. This is rather visible in fields like automotives

Where we fall short is high end five axis universal machining centers and stuff, but it looks like we are catching up on that too.
Yeah, we are catching up. Jyoti CNC bought out French Huron that makes 5-axis CNC.
 

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One thing people don't know about chinese long range rockets. Many of them are two stage separating kind of rockets and kinda of follow skip trajectory, explains the kind of ranges achieved by them. Just by seeing that these are not exactly as simple as strap on kit guidance kitted rockets like pinaka, you can kind of consider it like a TBM but not exactly a TBM.
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A video showing how A200/300 is different from typical MLRS profile and separating warhead will make problem for air defense.

Coming to pose a counter to chinese rocket forces, don't expect anything solid unless a dedicated indian rocket forces are setup, service objectives are given and then the relevant new systems are developed And inducted in 1000+ numbers.
Only fear being that Indian armed forces have been very lethargic in organisational changes and the talk of IRF might just be a talk for time to come or maybe some kind of adhoc org put together in hurry.
 

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One thing people don't know about chinese long range rockets. Many of them are two stage separating kind of rockets and kinda of follow skip trajectory, explains the kind of ranges achieved by them. Just by seeing that these are not exactly as simple as strap on kit guidance kitted rockets like pinaka, you can kind of consider it like a TBM but not exactly a TBM.
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A video showing how A200/300 is different from typical MLRS profile and separating warhead will make problem for air defense.

Coming to pose a counter to chinese rocket forces, don't expect anything solid unless a dedicated indian rocket forces are setup, service objectives are given and then the relevant new systems are developed And inducted in 1000+ numbers.
Only fear being that Indian armed forces have been very lethargic in organisational changes and the talk of IRF might just be a talk for time to come or maybe some kind of adhoc org put together in hurry.
This just goes to show that the Chinese systems are effectively TBMs just like our own. Even Pralay has the same profile and trajectory.
 

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Ha? What makes it according to you that we shouldn't put LCA, Different SAMs, ASTrA, Rudram and Radars on offer to others why?
cart before the horse, lets see it take its place at home with 1A and mk2 and more indigenous substitutions in components and the customers will come without even marketing big....sure go on a premature marketing pitch as long as that doesn't become a weapon against us.
 

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cart before the horse, lets see it take its place at home with 1A and mk2 and more indigenous substitutions in components and the customers will come without even marketing big....sure go on a premature marketing pitch as long as that doesn't become a weapon against us.
It was claimed there are no finished products out there to sell, i have examples. How is Mk2 related to LCA sales? Did US develop the F22 before trying to sell the F16. South Korean FA50 also uses foreign subcomponents and they are also devloping a 4.5+ gen jet ( which is about to be inducted in a 1-2 yrs time). Ask about excuses for not even trying and you guys will write a complete essay.
 

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It was claimed there are no finished products out there to sell, i have examples. How is Mk2 related to LCA sales? Did US develop the F22 before trying to sell the F16. South Korean FA50 also uses foreign subcomponents and they are also devloping a 4.5+ gen jet ( which is about to be inducted in a 1-2 yrs time). Ask about excuses for not even trying and you guys will write a complete essay.
bhai, we are not US and not even Sweeden when it comes to MIC record especially export, so tread carefully and under the radar and not to lose focus or reputation. Everyone has an opinion on this and mine is to focus at home and only home to achieve localization of imported components as much as possible and the organic life cycle of those components. After that sure go out.....but am not running HAL or any org. With each version local components are taking bigger share apparently but it also needs to get some record at home in active deployments and that is the biggest marketing it can get.
 

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