Dhanush the Indian Bofors

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A section of Army that is, Not the whole as you are terming ..

Same for Defense research organization, Best keep this thread quality to maximum..

It seems Army and DRDO hate each other and sabotage each others projects
 

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India’s Artillery Gun ‘Dhanush’ Begins User Trials
India’s Artillery Gun ‘Dhanush’ Begins User Trials
Dhanush, India's first long-range artillery gun is undergoing user trials in Himalayas.
A total of six guns are being tested by the Indian Army under the aegis of the Srinagar-based 15 Corps and the Leh-based 14 Corps.
A production-level prototype is being tested and this is supposed to be the last lap of trials before the Ordnance Factory Board starts it bulk production. “The guns are doing well, but results in a tabulated form are awaited,” sources told Tribune India on Sunday.
The first three guns of the production-level prototype underwent four-month trial from June to September. Three more other guns were to be added and the entire lot will be tested in high-altitude winter conditions.
Dhanush 155 MM/45 calibre gun is based on the 1980s’ Bofors FH-77B/39 Calibre artillery gun design and aided by the transfer of technology (ToT) clause signed with the Swedish company AB Bofors of Sweden.
The Army’s Field Artillery Rationalisation Plan, drawn in 1999, aims to acquire 2,800-3,000 155 mm/52-calibre guns of all kinds and 155 mm/39-calibre lightweight howitzers by 2027.
Dhanush guns will be showcased during a Republic Day parade this January 26.
 

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x trials, y trials. It seems that Indian army is increasingly resembling the Indian bureaucracy . If they had to do user trials why only try 6 guns, they should have built 20-30 guns and tried it. They need 3000-5000 guns and if we continue at this rate we would only be doing trials by the time war breaks out. We need a serious overhaul of our army, bureaucracy and PSUs. I for one have no hope that these guys will be able to defend India and we will see history repeat itself in Panipat.
 

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x trials, y trials. It seems that Indian army is increasingly resembling the Indian bureaucracy . If they had to do user trials why only try 6 guns, they should have built 20-30 guns and tried it. They need 3000-5000 guns and if we continue at this rate we would only be doing trials by the time war breaks out. We need a serious overhaul of our army, bureaucracy and PSUs. I for one have no hope that these guys will be able to defend India and we will see history repeat itself in Panipat.
You mean by your logic India should build 40 50 missiles and then carry out user trials?
User trials are done to further validate the system. There are two sort of test for any system. First development trials and then User trials.
User trials help to sort out any lingering issue which developers might have left out. It only does strengthen the system operation. Even one system is enough to carry out user trial, but a series of 6 system has been used to test the uniformity in production process. After this too when they would enter production phase, there would be random checks and tests of randomly selected guns from production batch. Nothing to cry about it.
 

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You mean by your logic India should build 40 50 missiles and then carry out user trials?
User trials are done to further validate the system. There are two sort of test for any system. First development trials and then User trials.
User trials help to sort out any lingering issue which developers might have left out. It only does strengthen the system operation. Even one system is enough to carry out user trial, but a series of 6 system has been used to test the uniformity in production process. After this too when they would enter production phase, there would be random checks and tests of randomly selected guns from production batch. Nothing to cry about it.
I am crying at their delays, foolishness, lack of leadership, laziness. Since launch of MMRCA we have precisely signed deal for 36 rafales while China is on verge of deploying 1000 J10s and J11s. Their lackey Pakiland will deploy 250 JF17 by 2025. In artillery they have not purchased anything for 30 years and not developed anything inhouse until now. By 2021 they will have 114 dhanush guns. China has 8000 artillery guns. How long will tax paying public tolerate this nonsense of these dal khor PSUs, government enterprises, babus and army leadership which siphons off even ration. We face a 2 front war threat and these loosers are behaving like their 10-4 chai biskut sarkari office with no urgency. Look at how fat and slovenly our top army officers look. To expect them to face the combined pak-China threat is foolhardy.
 

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I am crying at their delays, foolishness, lack of leadership, laziness. Since launch of MMRCA we have precisely signed deal for 36 rafales while China is on verge of deploying 1000 J10s and J11s. Their lackey Pakiland will deploy 250 JF17 by 2025. In artillery they have not purchased anything for 30 years and not developed anything inhouse until now. By 2021 they will have 114 dhanush guns. China has 8000 artillery guns. How long will tax paying public tolerate this nonsense of these dal khor PSUs, government enterprises, babus and army leadership which siphons off even ration. We face a 2 front war threat and these loosers are behaving like their 10-4 chai biskut sarkari office with no urgency. Look at how fat and slovenly our top army officers look. To expect them to face the combined pak-China threat is foolhardy.
Ok.... How much time do you think it takes for a gun to be designed and tested? I am not asking you to compare anyone here. Just asking you a basic time frame which you think is ok or good enough.
 

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Ok.... How much time do you think it takes for a gun to be designed and tested? I am not asking you to compare anyone here. Just asking you a basic time frame which you think is ok or good enough.
30 years is way too long. As per 1999 prospective planning, by now we should have had or signed contract for
800 mounted guns
1530 Towed guns
100 SPH
115 mountain artillery
Now where are the 800 MGS and 1530 Towed guns.Even their contract negotiations have not begun. Its high time we realize that war may happen sooner rather than later and show a sense of urgency. But bureaucrats, DODO and PSU officials as well as top army brass are only interested in 1 thing-how to make more money and build their secret villas overseas to be used for retirements. Their behavior is appalling to say the least. If present leadership is an indicator of our past, I dont disagree with those marxist historians who say that we only have a history of invasions and adopting the culture of invaders.
 

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30 years is way too long. As per 1999 prospective planning, by now we should have had or signed contract for
800 mounted guns
1530 Towed guns
100 SPH
115 mountain artillery
Now where are the 800 MGS and 1530 Towed guns.Even their contract negotiations have not begun. Its high time we realize that war may happen sooner rather than later and show a sense of urgency. But bureaucrats, DODO and PSU officials as well as top army brass are only interested in 1 thing-how to make more money and build their secret villas overseas to be used for retirements. Their behavior is appalling to say the least. If present leadership is an indicator of our past, I dont disagree with those marxist historians who say that we only have a history of invasions and adopting the culture of invaders.
Stop ranting some illogical things and try to concentrate on what is there and how to get it. War should have already been started. You can't say when a war would start on what would be the duration of the war. But it doesn't mean that you go on a spending overdrive for that.

Have you ever lent any friend of yours Rs 100 and have seen him shy away at the mere mention of returning it? I am sure that if not you, some one near you might have experienced it. So do you think you would even consider lending him or anyone money next time irrespective of any emergency he is facing? Bofors scandal had done some irreparable damage in the mindset of the very bureaucracy. But that is gone and it does need a brave front to dump things like these and proceed.

Dhanush had been developed in record 48 months or 4years time frame. Now it has to undergo the compulsory test to validate its readiness. While doing so, the exchequer have to keep the cost in check too. We don't have the luxury to spend millions in name of one weapon development. So a minimum number of tests subjects are prepared to undergo trials and for any subsequent changes. Just imagine what would happen if 20 numbers of prototypes are build and it is found that certain fault is there in the whole batch. What is the lost in monetary amount you are calculating and what would be its implication in the whole process?

Neither India could go into buying spree by seeing what China is fielding. Remember the fact that Russia had been disintegrated by this very reason. Why do you think bureaucrats are sitting there if war is imminent? War was imminent in 1999 too. India could have crossed over into PoK or even declare official war with Pakistan. What you think stopped India from doing so? Use logic while discussing things like this. War is not something which you or I play in our play stations. And yes, bureaucrats and chiefs would have to think about things like these. People like you and me just want the toys, but its the skin of these people which is in line all the time. Just keep yourself in their place and think what would you have done?Scams are another thing. But simple contract signing too is a game of chess. You simply can't go on signing contracts because China is fielding some thing in border.

But let keep things in this thread to Dhanush only. If you want to discuss things like this, please open a new thread and tag me there.
 

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After 30 years, India inducts ‘Dhanushya’, indigenous artillery gun
The Indian Defence will soon get a lift with the inclusion of indigenously designed, developed and manufactured Dhanushya - bringing an end to a 30-year wait to include a new artillery gun in the military warfare.
Speaking from the dias of a seminar on Aerospace and Defence at the 8th Vibrant Gujarat Global Summit on Thursday, the Union Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar stated that soon a new artillery gun will be introduced to the Indian Defence, adding a strength to it.
"After more than 30 years, India has successfully developed its own artillery gun. No new artillery gun had been introduced since 30 years. First time we have successfully developed and tested it. The field trials have been completed for Dhanushya, which has 155 mmx45 calibre," Parrikar told the audience here.
"It is based on the concept of Bofors gun, which was of 155mm and 39 calibre, this one is 155 mmx45 calibre having higher range than the previous one. Successful trials are conducted. We have already asked them to start manufacturing it," Parrikar said.
Another self-propelled artillery gun with 155x52 calibre is in the final stage of order. A joint-venture between L&T and Samsung of South Korea is making it. "It has more than 50 per cent of the components made in India. The first lot probably will be ordered during the current financial year," he added.
Parrikar highlighted the benefits under the new Defence Procurement Procedures, in which the most important type of procurement is indegenously designed, developed and manufactured (IDDM) products.
"This shows the importance of a change in mind-set of the procurement procedures. It is not only make in India but it is also designed, developed and made in India. So it is a step ahead than the Make In India," he said.
Commenting on the Defence Offset procedures, Parrikar stated that with relaxed licensing procedures, the offsets are now piling up at a faster pace. "There is almost more than $ 8 billion and very soon it is likely to touch $ 10-12 billion in next 10 years," he told the gathering.
The number of licenses issued under the offset procedures are huge and about 20 of them are in Gujarat. Parrikar further stated that Gujarat had a potential to become a defence manufacturing hub with forward-looking policies and ease-of-doing approach for businesses.
 

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How many trials will they hold. I heard final trials had been completed and tabulations will be done by June. This is bl**dy moronic.
 

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