Firstly Drsomnath, this is an inspired thread, thankyou for providing such an excellent platform for discussion.
u are always welcome, this kind of platform would also come in future till i have time to do foruming (LOL)
But then looking at these two anti-ship platforms, (from a neutral standpoint, ie, forgeting that one is Chinese and one is Russian/Indian), I would have to go for the DF21D, and not because its Chinese, but simply because of its capability. Let me explain:
In my opinion, the two differ very much in function, with each doing very well within its own sphere. The DF21D is designed to keep any CBG at arms length. Chinese policy is to employ area denial against a more advanced millitary, in todays reality: the US Navy. Denying the opposing power the use of his most flexible and powerful conventional units: CBG's, within China's immediate sphere of influence. A 2000+ km range DF21D does not allow any admiral in his right mind to move his most valuable targets into the kill zone. Even with in-flight refueling, air assets from the carrier would have a limited ability to operate in that area, contesting the air space with Chinese fighters who enjoy better support in terms of refueling and AWACS as well as possessing a definite numerical advantage.
Thus the DF21D basically removes US Navy CBG's from the equation, only leaving them with the SSN and SSGN option, who mind you, would then have to operate in SSK and SSN infested waters, whilst also being targeted by ASW air and surface assets.
mate 1st of all i would say by reading ur post that u r simply overrating or overestimating ur weapons capabilty & warfare capabilty to superpower US .Well why r assuming that ur airforce would have overwhelming air superiority to US which has much well trained & network centric air force with 5th gen fighter & bombers .only thing adavantage would be nearby location of chinese airforce to it's homeland .About numerical advantage dont worry US has many bases in ASEAN region they would bring in as many fighters they want .
ANother similiar hopeless assumption that Chinese ASW would detect the most silent sub of world US navy's virginia/sea wolf nuke sub ,common man plz be practical
The question then arises, can you do the same thing with a hypersonic CM with a 280km range? The answer is a definite NO. Sure it is much more flexible in terms of launch platforms, but lets analyse them.
Submarines: This is the ultimate in stealth targeting of surface assets. But then the cruise missile is not fire and forget, the target must be painted for them for until they are in range to identify the target themselves. This means, the sub must either paint the target itself with its surface search radar (which implies surfacing, and is thus extremely unadvisable), or relying on other assets to identify the target for them.
In this sense, the CM is the same as the DF21D in needing other assets to find and guide it to its target before it enters its terminal phase, implying that the use of either MPA's or helicopters. The notion that an MPA or an AEW helicopter can get close enough to identify an AIRCRAFT CARRIER, which operates within layers and layers of AAW protection is as I'm sure you realize, absurd. I'm not sure if the Indian navy can find and track surface vessels operating in international waters using space based assets, but this is how the Soviet navy planned to provide guidance when using sub and Kirov cruiser launched 400+km range Granit CM against US aircraft carriers in conjuction with long range bear MP aircraft.
The same applies for surface naval assets such as frigates or destroyers and air assets, ie. closing to within 290 km of a CBG, with carrrier-borne AWACS and destroyer and frigate pickets observing hundreds of kilometers around the carrier would be suicide in the face of precision munition and anti-ship cruise misslie equiped carrier-borne fighters.
well mate i would like to tell u that brahmos 2 range can be increased with ease ,but due to mtcr it is restricted to 290 km ,but it could easily have 700-800 km range & i hope india would be doing it in case of war .
u r only pointing out stealth ,ok i would explain all ur points
1 .Subs : see todays AIP enabled SSk & nuke subs are very quite & deadly & Sub launched ASCM is the deadliest threat to any ship ask any proffesional they would also say the same thing .
& also u have false assumption that brahmos Ascm neads Sub guidance for targets .Mid-course guidance is through Inertial Navigation System (INS) & while it's terminal phase may have active/passive homing seeker.
U read this site u would have a better idea about it's guidance .
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Brahmos Missile - a knol by Vijainder K Thakur
2.Ships : these are also becoming stealthy but i assume their role would be for destroying surface warships but not carriers.But todays ships also have advanced air defences
3.Fighters : same thing 5th gen fighters are stealthy ,so out many fighters assign to destroy a carrier 1 can surely penetrate any layered defence of carrier group for sure
Thus the hypersonic CM would be more useful if the opposing CBG was operating within its users EEZ, which is highly unlikely since CBG's operate far out to sea, well out the Brahmos's 290 km range.
well i would say the opposite it gives the user flexiblty to launch it any anywhere including required in enemy's EEZ also while df 21d can only do it from it's homeland ,yes if they do the soviet style in cuba to deploy it in foreign bases then that's a diffrent thing but still it can be detected .
Well
That's why I conclude that the DF21D would be the more survivable option, (due mostly to its tremendous range).
Any thoughts?
About range of DF 21d see more the range it also has advantages & disadvantages .
Adv : it can destroy it's target from long range .
Disadv :1.u must have accurate guidance for BM ,cep value must be less than 25 i assume to hit a big carrier also the target is not static it is
mobile
2.it can also give more reaction time for enemy ship to deploy it's air defences.& also it has more chances of being detected .
Also i had posted it's counter weapons in 1st page of this thread kindly read it .Most probably it can be intercepted though SM3, but it can be effective if they deploy MIRVS or overwhelm the enemy's airdefences by firing atleast 20-30 ASBM at single time for a single aircraft carrier but it would be costly
Well it can only target AC while it cannot target small warships like FAST attack vessels ,while Brahmos 2 can target anything at such short range with pinpointed accuracy