Can US stop Chinese DF-21D ASBM or YJ-18 ASCM? No.

[Martian]

China's DF-21D ASBM travels at Mach 10. It has a maneuverable warhead.

The Chinese YJ-18 ASCM travels at a terminal speed of Mach 3 and it also has a maneuverable warhead.

Chinese missile seeker technology is well-proven. It has shot down a 4-foot cube satellite traveling at 22,000 miles per hour. There were also two successful GBI intercepts of ballistic missiles. There is a video of two Chinese HQ-9 SAMs striking a target. Chinese FN-6 MANPADS have shot down many helicopters in Syria.
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Now, let's ask whether US anti-missile technology can intercept incoming Chinese MARV warheads.

The US Patriot missile was produced in 1976 and it has been upgraded for the last 40 years.

Can the US Patriot missile shoot down a slow-flying drone in the real world? The answer is no. Israel fired two Patriots and an air-to-air missile at a Syrian drone. The Israelis failed to shoot down the target.

Since we know the probability of a Patriot shoot-down of a drone is pretty slim, the idea of shooting down a smaller super-fast maneuverable Chinese warhead is pretty far-fetched.

US anti-missile technology is only in the experimental stage. It does not work in the real world. They need ideal conditions with pre-positioned telemetry tracking equipment.

Under real world conditions, US anti-missile technology has a high rate of failure.

Israel Unsuccessfully Tries to Intercept Drone That Breached Its Airspace | Haaretz

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Let the DF 21 be tested successfully at least once. We can discuss the issue later on. The problem with chinese is that their weapon is US (XYZ) killer from the design stage. Junk 20 which is a worse than a forth generation plane is F22 killer even before it is inducted. J 15 (Which can not carry more than 2 ton load ) is better than Su 33 and so on. DF 21 is not even tested once sucessfully and here chinese are in orgasm asking whether it US ship can save themselves from DF 21.

 

[adrenalin]

Let the DF 21 be tested successfully at least once. We can discuss the issue later on. The problem with chinese is that their weapon is US (XYZ) killer from the design stage. Junk 20 which is a worse than a forth generation plane is F22 killer even before it is inducted. J 15 (Which can not carry more than 2 ton load ) is better than Su 33 and so on. DF 21 is not even tested once sucessfully and here chinese are in orgasm asking whether it US ship can save themselves from DF 21.

 

[Martian]

Let the DF 21 be tested successfully at least once. We can discuss the issue later on. The problem with chinese is that their weapon is US (XYZ) killer from the design stage. Junk 20 which is a worse than a forth generation plane is F22 killer even before it is inducted. J 15 (Which can not carry more than 2 ton load ) is better than Su 33 and so on. DF 21 is not even tested once sucessfully and here chinese are in orgasm asking whether it US ship can save themselves from DF 21.

Who said it hasn't been tested?

The Chinese government won't say anything.

The US government says the information is classified.

However, it is erroneous to claim the DF-21D has not been tested successfully during the last 16 years.

 

[asianobserve]

However, it is erroneous to claim the DF-21D has not been tested successfully during the last 16 years.

Man, you have the unenviable task of trying to transform the World into Chicom bots who would believe anything the CCP spouts.

Anyway, Tell me how many enemy ships, or to be more precise, aircraft carriers did your super duper flying p#nis sunk in the last 16 years?

 

[Martian]

Man, you have the unenviable task of trying to transform the World into Chicom bots who would believe anything the CCP spouts.

Anyway, Tell me how many enemy ships, or to be more precise, aircraft carriers did your super duper flying p#nis sunk in the last 16 years?

No one has challenged China's control over the South China Sea.

The PLA Navy and Chinese Coast Guard do whatever they want.

China took control over Huangyan Dao (aka Scarborough Shoal). No one showed up to challenge China.

China reclaimed seven South China Sea islands. No one showed up to challenge China.

China drills for oil all over the South China Sea. No complaint there either.

Thus, China has not sunk any enemy naval vessel because they are nowhere to be found.

 

[asianobserve]

No one has challenged China's control over the South China Sea.

It's clear to me you did not come here for a rational conversation. You came here with only one purpose in mind, to convince the members to buy what the CCP and PLA are peddling so hard. Well, we are all educated with critical and analytical minds here so there's no chance of your purpose ever succeeding here.

Regarding your ridiculous claim of having no challenge to China's position in the West Philippine Sea, well the Americans have been sending aircraft carriers, cruisers and destroyers in that area since the Philippines filed the arbitration case against China in the HAgue. What has China done to sink any of these ships? Even the Australians and the Japanese have been sending their assets there but you did not do anything.

It seems that your bosses have wasted a lot of opportunities to test your shiny holy DF-21 toy. I think your bosses know something that you refuse to know, that that DF-21 is useless against the Americans other than as a prop to amuse your increasingly restless population.

The PLA Navy and Chinese Coast Guard do whatever they want.

Yes, like the typical grade school bullies. They harass defenseless Philippine fishing boats. And when the US Navy shows off in the neighborhood against desperate Chinese protests, did any one of these PLA NAvy and Chinese COast Guard boats attempt to sink American warships?

I know the answer, NO!

China took control over Huangyan Dao (aka Scarborough Shoal). No one showed up to challenge China.

The Philippines challenged China. But the US brokered a deal to defuse the situation which caused the Philippines to back down and resort to mediation.

China reclaimed seven South China Sea islands. No one showed up to challenge China.

USN destroyers and planes have been frequent passers by to these non-islands and China has not fired a single shot in anger at it.

China drills for oil all over the South China Sea. No complaint there either.

Thus, China has not sunk any enemy naval vessel because they are nowhere to be found.

You're no fooling anyone. Please read USN FONOPS on your abominations and ecological disasters in the West Philippine Sea.

 

[Martian]

It's clear to me you did not come here for a rational conversation. You came here with only one purpose in mind, to convince the members to buy what the CCP and PLA are peddling so hard. Well, we are all educated with critical and analytical minds here so there's no chance of your purpose ever succeeding here.

Regarding your ridiculous claim of having no challenge to China's position in the West Philippine Sea, well the Americans have been sending aircraft carriers, cruisers and destroyers in that area since the Philippines filed the arbitration case against China in the HAgue. What has China done to sink any of these ships? Even the Australians and the Japanese have been sending their assets there but you did not do anything.

It seems that your bosses have wasted a lot of opportunities to test your shiny holy DF-21 toy. I think your bosses know something that you refuse to know, that that DF-21 is useless against the Americans other than as a prop to amuse your increasingly restless population.



Yes, like the typical grade school bullies. They harass defenseless Philippine fishing boats. And when the US Navy shows off in the neighborhood against desperate Chinese protests, did any one of these PLA NAvy and Chinese COast Guard boats attempt to sink American warships?

I know the answer, NO!




The Philippines challenged China. But the US brokered a deal to defuse the situation which caused the Philippines to back down and resort to mediation.




USN destroyers and planes have been frequent passers by to these non-islands and China has not fired a single shot in anger at it.




You're no fooling anyone. Please read USN FONOPS on your abominations and ecological disasters in the West Philippine Sea.

The US transits through.

However, the US does not interfere with China's control of the South China Sea islands, fishing, or oil drilling.

Why would China care if the US does not interfere?

 

[asianobserve]

The US transits through.

However, the US does not interfere with China's control of the South China Sea islands, fishing, or oil drilling.

Why would China care if the US does not interfere?

Hello?

You are claiming sovereignty over the whole nine dash line and yet you are okay with the US Navy warships sailing all over that area? Every time the Americans sail their ships-of-war on that zone that you claim is part of your sovereign territory against your orders not to sail it is an act of war. But have you fired a single shot at the Americans? NO! Instead, you are here regurgitating excuses to justify Chinese powerlessness.

But it's clear enough, there's no need debating with you. You're a complete waste of time with zero knowledge learned from.

 

[Martian]

Hello?

You are claiming sovereignty over the whole nine dash line and yet you are okay with the US Navy warships sailing all over that area? Every time the Americans sail their ships-of-war on that zone that you claim is part of your sovereign territory against your orders not to sail it is an act of war. But have you fired a single shot at the Americans? NO! Instead, you are here regurgitating excuses to justify Chinese powerlessness.

But it's clear enough, there's no need debating with you. You're a complete waste of time with zero knowledge learned from.

It's called Chinese pragmatism.

China will let the US fire the first shot.

Otherwise, it's business as usual.

Build more Type 052D warships. Build more J-20 stealth fighters. Install radars and more HQ-9 SAMs on the South China Sea islands. Control fishing. Control oil drilling.

China can afford to be patient. After all, Chinese military power is growing in the South China Sea.

 

[Yumdoot]

What Amerikha no help India win over Cheena!!!??? WT bhen ki.



The two of you have broken several hearts today on this forum

The exchange is really a hall of fame keeper. Nura Kushti at its very best.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Who said it hasn't been tested?

The Chinese government won't say anything.

The US government says the information is classified.

However, it is erroneous to claim the DF-21D has not been tested successfully during the last 16 years.

Chinese Government do not say anything and still you know everything. Your source? Do you have any link with top brass of PLA?

 

[Martian]

Chinese Government do not say anything and still you know everything. Your source? Do you have any link with top brass of PLA?

A few years ago, the US government declared China's DF-21D ASBM had reached IOC (ie. initial operational capability).

In China, weapons can reach IOC only after meeting the design specifications.

Also, we have seen the land tests of the Chinese ASBM. It is illogical and against Chinese government procurement procedures to deploy a weapon that does not meet its specifications. The specifications for the DF-21D ASBM clearly says it has to hit a moving ship.

Simulated ASBM strikes on aircraft carrier deck mock-up on land in China's Gobi Desert.

 

[AnantS]

LOL Thats a fixed Target. Not a Moving CATOBAR protected by AEGIS. Not only America has favorable probability to shoot down the two missiles, but it also has capability to strike back immediately at the launch sites.

 

[Yumdoot]

Well actually you will never hear Eleven Zing Ping say anything and Ombaba endorse anything.

But a Senior Scientist of CASIC and Project incharge level guy like is the max you get in the Mandarin system. Such a man did claim and then the Ex. PACOM Adml. Willard, did endorse the development and testing of DF-21D. Test being against Slow Moving Target. You really don't expect the USN Carriers to run around all day long for 365 / 366 days. Carriers too have to slow down.

 

[Yumdoot]

And Aegis cannot do anything about DF-21D. Even if DF-21D was to slow down to 1/3rd its normal entry velocity.

 

[Martian]

LOL Thats a fixed Target. Not a Moving CATOBAR protected by AEGIS. Not only America has favorable probability to shoot down the two missiles, but it also has capability to strike back immediately at the launch sites.

China is not going to show you the real-world tests on a moving ship. Such disclosure would reveal the terminal flight characteristics of the DF-21D ASBM.

The land-based tests are the most that we will see.

However, my point stands. It is erroneous to claim China has not conducted sea-based tests. It is strongly likely that China did. They do it for all of their missiles to meet spec.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

A few years ago, the US government declared China's DF-21D ASBM had reached IOC (ie. initial operational capability).

In China, weapons can reach IOC only after meeting the design specifications.

Also, we have seen the land tests of the Chinese ASBM. It is illogical and against Chinese government procurement procedures to deploy a weapon that does not meet its specifications. The specifications for the DF-21D ASBM clearly says it has to hit a moving ship.

Simulated ASBM strikes on aircraft carrier deck mock-up on land in China's Gobi Desert.

Please provide the reference for US claim. All of your dumb weapons are over hyped to get market from stupid countries like pakistan but when it comes to face off, they shy away like JF 17 in Baharine. Your planes just add to number and not capability. Look at ugly J 10. Can find any such ugly aerodynamically disastrous plane anywhere else? JL 2 is an another junk over hyped for years and nobody knows whether it is operationalized or not.You can hype as much as you can though you can not provide a single reference whether it is operational or not. Still you can start a thread here asking a question whether US can defend it or not? Every thing is valid for you since a you are a chinese and you have a birth right o talk big mouth. This article Exposes your capability.

http://snafu-solomon.blogspot.in/2013/10/china-would-lose-40-of-its-fleet-to.html
Your whole navy is just equivalent to 2 aircraft career of US.

 

[Martian]

Please provide the reference for US claim. All of your dumb weapons are over hyped to get market from stupid countries like pakistan but when it comes to face off, they shy away like JF 17 in Baharine. Your planes just add to number and not capability. Look at ugly J 10. Can find any such ugly aerodynamically disastrous plane anywhere else? JL 2 is an another junk over hyped for years and nobody knows whether it is operationalized or not.You can hype as much as you can though you can not provide a single reference whether it is operational or not. Still you can start a thread here asking a question whether US can defend it or not? Every thing is valid for you since a you are a chinese and you have a birth right o talk big mouth. This article Exposes your capability.

http://snafu-solomon.blogspot.in/2013/10/china-would-lose-40-of-its-fleet-to.html
Your whole navy is just equivalent to 2 aircraft career of US.

[URL='http://www.andrewerickson.com/2011/07/china%e2%80%99s-anti-ship-ballistic-missile-asbm-reaches-equivalent-of-%e2%80%9cinitial-operational-capability%e2%80%9d-ioc%e2%80%94where-it%e2%80%99s-going-and-what-it-means/']China’s Anti-Ship Ballistic Missile (ASBM) Reaches Equivalent of “Initial Operational Capability” (IOC)—Where It’s Going and What it Means[/url]

"Jul 12, 2011 - Top U.S. Navy officials state that China's anti-ship ballistic missile (ASBM) has reached the equivalent of Initial Operational Capability (IOC)."

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Please provide the reference for US claim. All of your dumb weapons are over hyped to get market from stupid countries like pakistan but when it comes to face off, they shy away like JF 17 in Baharine. Your planes just add to number and not capability. Look at ugly J 10. Can find any such ugly aerodynamically disastrous plane anywhere else? JL 2 is an another junk over hyped for years and nobody knows whether it is operationalized or not.You can hype as much as you can though you can not provide a single reference whether it is operational or not. Still you can start a thread here asking a question whether US can defend it or not? Every thing is valid for you since a you are a chinese and you have a birth right o talk big mouth. This article Exposes your capability.

http://snafu-solomon.blogspot.in/2013/10/china-would-lose-40-of-its-fleet-to.html
Your whole navy is just equivalent to 2 aircraft career of US.

Land in the picture is green and do not look like a desert. More over target is stationary so how can it be simulated like a moving ship. This is just a normal test of Surface to surface missile. Do not just post picture but post an article having this picture. Simple picture proves nothing . not even that it is chinese. Background is not desert.