CRPF and its Future role in Indian Defence.

[Suryavanshi]

I have been thinking of making this thread for a while now.

It has been 70 years since CRPFs inception as an Indian Defence Institution.
The CRPFs core motive is to maintain law and order inside the country in adherence to Indian constitution.

CRPF is headed by Ministery ot Home Affairs, and second being an IPS officer who acts as DG.

CRPF has 310,000 active members one of the largest paramilitaries in the world.
It has several Subsidiaries like.
COBRA, RAF, SDG and PDG.

Despite the task of maintaining law and order akin to police forces CRPF has ventured into some diverse operations and activity.
- Serving in Sri Lanka as IPKF
- Counter Insurgency operation in Kashmir, NE, Bihar.
- Foreign deployment in Liberia, Haiti and several African Nation some even active Insiregncy prone areas.

Since its inception CRPF has hardly changed much of its structure and Operational parameters.
CRPF has since then split into BSF, NSG, CISF and several other groups.

Hence I Intend to discuss CRPF role in the future of Indian defence.
We need to look into its operational structure in regards to current issues we face in regards to Indian defence.

Tagging @abingdonboy @ezsasa @vampyrbladez @COLDHEARTED AVIATOR @Unknowncommando 2 @sorcerer @rkhanna @aditya10r @Haldiram @Mikesingh @SREEKAR @12arya @Bhadra @hit&run @mayfair

There might be a certain degree of political discussion as well so be warned.




Tl dr; I want to increase the efficiency of CRPF and give it more teeth while maintaining its core values

 

[abingdonboy]

I have been thinking of making this thread for a while now.

It has been 70 years since CRPFs inception as an Indian Defence Institution.
The CRPFs core motive is to maintain law and order inside the country in adherence to Indian constitution.

CRPF is headed by Ministery ot Home Affairs, and second being an IPS officer who acts as DG.

CRPF has 310,000 active members one of the largest paramilitaries in the world.
It has several Subsidiaries like.
COBRA, RAF, SDG and PDG.

Despite the task of maintaining law and order akin to police forces CRPF has ventured into some diverse operations and activity.
- Serving in Sri Lanka as IPKF
- Counter Insurgency operation in Kashmir, NE, Bihar.
- Foreign deployment in Liberia, Haiti and several African Nation some even active Insiregncy prone areas.

Since its inception CRPF has hardly changed much of its structure and Operational parameters.
CRPF has since then split into BSF, NSG, CISF and several other groups.

Hence I Intend to discuss CRPF role in the future of Indian defence.
We need to look into its operational structure in regards to current issues we face in regards to Indian defence.

Tagging @abingdonboy @ezsasa @vampyrbladez @COLDHEARTED AVIATOR @Unknowncommando 2 @sorcerer @rkhanna @aditya10r @Haldiram @Mikesingh @SREEKAR @12arya @Bhadra @hit&run @mayfair

There might be a certain degree of political discussion as well so be warned.




Tl dr; I want to increase the efficiency of CRPF and give it more teeth while maintaining its core values

CRPF needs to be more of a law enforcement agency than a paramilitary. They should be the next line of enforcement when local/state police are overwhelmed. Instead of calling the army, it should be CRPF that are called

Hence CRPF should use their superior budgetary allocation to raise capabilities and entities that state/local polices may not have or don’t bace in huge numbers/capacity.

That said they have made progress in this regard, RAF in particular is a very positive raising of their’s more BTNs are under raising but enough should be raised so every state has at least 1 based in their state and the larger ones and UTs have 2-3.

They should also raise specialist intervention teams that too can can be based on each state or regionally that can support the arresting of high profile criminals. NSG are for hostage and terrorist incidents but India lacks a federal specialist police unit that can be used for law enforcement and CRPF can handle that

 

[Suryavanshi]

CRPF needs to be more of a law enforcement agency than a paramilitary. They should be the next line of enforcement when local/state police are overwhelmed. Instead of calling the army, it should be CRPF that are called

Hence CRPF should use their superior budgetary allocation to raise capabilities and entities that state/local polices may not have or don’t bace in huge numbers/capacity.

That said they have made progress in this regard, RAF in particular is a very positive raising of their’s more BTNs are under raising but enough should be raised so every state has at least 1 based in their state and the larger ones and UTs have 2-3.

They should also raise specialist intervention teams that too can can be based on each state or regionally that can support the arresting of high profile criminals. NSG are for hostage and terrorist incidents but India lacks a federal specialist police unit that can be used for law enforcement and CRPF can handle that

Many people use to theories that aside from its primary task CRPF is maintained to prevent a coup by Indian Army.

What are your opinions on this?

 

[Aaj ka hero]

What about CISF sir? add them too.
With the fiasco on INS vikrant they must be given award.

 

[Suryavanshi]

Patriot by Gaurav Arya.
CRPF Training process

 

[Waanar]

The battle of Sardar Post is a highly touted event in CRPF history but I do believe that if the CRPF have to be used in wartime situations, they could be part of the infantry wave after IBG to hold ground, secure supply routes, maintain L&O ,prevent arming of angry populace and breaking out of insurgency in captured areas. This is somewhat of niche role I see the CoBRAs fitting in like a glove. Do we have such a doctrine in place?

I mean, sure, the Army could and will do all that but I do see CRPF playing an important role here. An ad-hoc police force in a hypothetical war where large parts of land have been captured and have to be pacified.

And of course, Abingdonboy is on point about specialist intervention units. A Valley QAT like unit in every state would end any chance of something like 26/11 happening again.

 

[vampyrbladez]

CRPF QRT

CRPF COBRA CQB

 

[Waanar]

CRPF QRT

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CRPF COBRA CQB

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Is that a thermal sight on the AKs?

And what's CoBRA CQB, breh?

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

The equipment level of CRPF has gone up considerably in the last 10 years. The are now more modernized compared to regular IA units, in some aspects.

However, the main weakness of CRPF is its hierarchy, where they are being commanded by IPS officers, and not by any military commanders or someone from their own cadre structure. CRPF is increasingly used in guerilla warfare against the maoist as well as paki terrorists in J&K. As such they need to develop special SOP and be commanded by proper military commanders and not by IPS officers (whose main training is maintaining law & order). Hence we see big casualties in some of the maoist attacks. Also they need their own intelligence wing, their own air wing and UAV and satellite based surveillance systems, and not be dependent on other agencies like IB and NTRO.

 

[vampyrbladez]

Any CRPF insiders here to clarify on this? What is the hullabaloo about the ration allowance?

CRPF to be paid ration allowance soon, says Centre; denies reports of jawans running out of ration money

Updated Sep 29, 2019 | 18:07 IST | Times Now Digital

The central government has dismissed reports of CRPF jawans running out of ration money saying that allowance till July has already been paid and for September it'll be paid soon.

New Delhi: The central government on Sunday dismissed reports of CRPF jawans running out of ration money, saying that Rs 22,194 of ration money arrears per head has already been paid to two lakh personnel. This amount is equivalent to six months of ration money at current rates, it clarified.

"Thus they have sufficient funds for messing," said CRPF Deputy Inspector-General (Intelligence) Moses Dhinakaran, adding that the contention that jawans have run out of ration money is baseless and preposterous and there is no crisis whatsoever.

https://www.timesnownews.com/amp/in...-of-jawans-running-out-of-ration-money/497192

Over 2 lakh CRPF personnel paid ration allowance for July

ANI | Updated: Sep 29, 2019 10:12 AM IST



https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aninews.in/news/national/general-news/over-2-lakh-crpf-personnel-paid-ration-allowance-for-july20190929162349/?amp=1

 

[shankyz]

CRPF clarifies, takes Telegraph reporter to the cleaners ....

 

[Suryavanshi]

Why IPS officers want to keep heading forces like CRPF, NSG & BSF

https://theprint.in/india/governanc...-heading-forces-like-crpf-nsg-bsf/176738/amp/


Issues of contentions between IPS and Para Military.

Why CAPF officers feel affronted

While each force consists of its own cadres, they are all, as a rule, headed by IPS officers, who occupy the position of the Director-General (DG). Even other positions like the Additional DG, Inspector-General and Deputy IG are mostly reserved for IPS officers.

This has led to enormous resentment among officers of the CAPF cadre, who believe their exclusion from the top ranks in their own forces is “discriminatory and unfair”.

The “disconnect” between the forces and the IPS officers heading them also leads to command issues, the officer said. “All these forces have an extremely complicated organisational structure, and if the people heading it don’t understand it, it impacts efficiency,” he said.

“These officers from the IPS have no training or exposure in our forces… They just come and sit at the top, making us feel like second-class citizens,” the officer added.

“Plus, if we have any grievances, we can only approach the MHA (Ministry of Home Affairs) through them… So, our grievances never end up being communicated properly,” he added. “And even if we somehow manage [to convey our complaints], both the MHA and the department of personnel and training (DoPT) are controlled by IAS and IPS officers, so they pay no heed to us.”

Typically, IPS officers join the CAPFs towards the end of their careers, and have only a year or two to understand the structure, one of the officers quoted above said.

“It takes them 8-10 months to understand the forces, and by then it is time for them to retire,” he added.

 

[Pandeyji]

Many people use to theories that aside from its primary task CRPF is maintained to prevent a coup by Indian Army.

What are your opinions on this?

It used to be the case in 60s & 70s when there was a real risk of a coup. In fact when the army strength was increased by 80% after 1962 war with China, CRPF & other armed forces increased in number from 29,000 to 2,00,000+ in same amount of time.

But changing times have changed roles for all of them. For example CISF was created to protect whatever few industries we had from Naxalites. But now it handles the security of govt buildings, heritage centres, airports & metros.

Similarly BSF was thought of as an advance border patrol, which would act as 1st line of defence but now they also engage in CI operations.

Similarly is ITBP which nowadays is preferred for guarding Indian embassies.

 

[Knowitall]

Why IPS officers want to keep heading forces like CRPF, NSG & BSF

https://theprint.in/india/governanc...-heading-forces-like-crpf-nsg-bsf/176738/amp/


Issues of contentions between IPS and Para Military.

Why CAPF officers feel affronted

While each force consists of its own cadres, they are all, as a rule, headed by IPS officers, who occupy the position of the Director-General (DG). Even other positions like the Additional DG, Inspector-General and Deputy IG are mostly reserved for IPS officers.

This has led to enormous resentment among officers of the CAPF cadre, who believe their exclusion from the top ranks in their own forces is “discriminatory and unfair”.

The “disconnect” between the forces and the IPS officers heading them also leads to command issues, the officer said. “All these forces have an extremely complicated organisational structure, and if the people heading it don’t understand it, it impacts efficiency,” he said.

“These officers from the IPS have no training or exposure in our forces… They just come and sit at the top, making us feel like second-class citizens,” the officer added.

“Plus, if we have any grievances, we can only approach the MHA (Ministry of Home Affairs) through them… So, our grievances never end up being communicated properly,” he added. “And even if we somehow manage [to convey our complaints], both the MHA and the department of personnel and training (DoPT) are controlled by IAS and IPS officers, so they pay no heed to us.”

Typically, IPS officers join the CAPFs towards the end of their careers, and have only a year or two to understand the structure, one of the officers quoted above said.

“It takes them 8-10 months to understand the forces, and by then it is time for them to retire,” he added.

Yea so that full blown corruption can start and bringing foreign maal with no real value can become a thing here to.

 

[Suryavanshi]

I didn't know NSG was Headed by IAS, IPS.
What Kind of control do they actually have, is it limited to just assistance or full fledged structural and Operational administration.

 

[Suryavanshi]

before anyone calls me out for it.
yes I have low opinion about IAS, IPS, BABUDOM, Bureaucrats and British mentality sepoys

 

[Suryavanshi]

‘IPS officers bring the concept of human rights’

While the report has come as a vindication of the sentiments of CAPF officers, IPS officers have deemed the recommendation unnecessary and dangerous.

“IPS officers act as a link between people and the forces, since their approach is non-militarised and compassionate…” Ashish Gupta, secretary of the IPS Association, told ThePrint. “Bringing in people from these forces or the Army to head them would militarise our police forces.

“As police officers, we think of human rights…We are not fighting enemies outside. When there is a Kashmiri or a Naxalite in front of you, you have to think about human rights…That’s where we come in,” Gupta said.

“Moreover, there is a reason why the names of these forces were changed from ‘paramilitary forces’ to ‘police forces’ — it is because they are essentially police forces, so them being headed by IPS officers is in line,” he added.

Dismayed by the recommendations of the committee, the IPS Association is contemplating writing to Chidambaram and the other members. “We were not consulted before the recommendations were made… They should have taken our view on the issue,” Gupta said.

The role of ‘unifiers’ and ‘leaders’
The IPS officers’ view is echoed by the IAS Association.

Weighing in on the debate last week, the IAS Association tweeted: “Deputation of IPS to the CAPFs fulfils the constitutional mandate of the AIS (All India Services) to lead Central Organisations with their rich field experience and people connect as CAPFs are deployed to fight not the enemy outside but the war within.”

IPS officer Mishra said the All India Services — which include IAS, IPS and IFS, among other crucial services — act as “forces of integration” in the country.

“We come from our state cadres, and come on central deputation, and form a reserve for the central government… It is a unifying factor for forces across the country,” he added.

Another point Mishra made was that IPS officers, who are selected through the civil services exam conducted by the Union Public Service Commission (UPSC), are meant to occupy leadership roles.

“After all, recruitments take place at different levels, and IPS officers are recruited at the highest level, which is meant to give officers for top posts,” he said. “It is a legitimate system of classification.”

Exhausted by what they call “institutionalised discrimination” against their lot, CAPF officers had earlier moved court demanding several benefits given to the “organised services”.

One of their primary demands is non-functional upgradation (NFU) – a monetary benefit given to organised services that allows all officers of a certain batch to get financial upgradation, even if only one of them gets promoted and the others don’t owing to lack of vacancies at the top.

“Our demand was accepted by the Delhi High Court, but again it was challenged by the IPS lobby in the government, and now the Supreme Court judgment is reserved,” a CRPF officer said.

 

[Suryavanshi]

This might be a bit controversial opinion, but the current IPS association might have a bit of superiority complex

Another point Mishra made was that IPS officers, who are selected through the civil services exam conducted by the Union Public Service Commission (UPSC), are meant to occupy leadership roles.

^^^^^^^^^^ he is speaking as if CRPF folks cant be as competent as the IPS.
.

 

[Knowitall]

This might be a bit controversial opinion, but the current IPS association might have a bit of superiority complex


^^^^^^^^^^ he is speaking as if CRPF folks cant be as competent as the IPS.
.

They do have this complex which is wrong but what I have seen over the years is that crpf especially NSG have grown so much both training and equipment wise when compared to the army that I feel its better for them this way. While NSG is a different league crpf themselves with their new uniforms (multicam) and other gear have gotten much better than the army jawan in comparison. they say ips officers don't understand training and stuff and yet NSG was deployed in pathankot so i will say its better this way.

 

[Knowitall]

NSG over the years has grown so much from getting sig dmr, scar rifles and even vector the shepra vehicles all this show a paramount growth which no special force under the army navy or airforce has been able to achieve. I was recently surprised as i myself didnt think much of it but someone here did mention that NSG are the only sf in india which uses dogs. all these things while they look small show the gap which is why i felt this way.