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[Mantospace]

Um, all the major space agencies worked during the pandemic in 2020:

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In fact, there were even more launches than in 2019.

China and the US led in launches just like every other year. India had two launches which also not very different than other years.

This is wat china want to destabilize india and its scientific bodies. So enjy

 

[SexyChineseLady]

This is wat china want to destabilize india and its scientific bodies. So enjy

How much did it destabilize India? India launches only 3-6 space missions per year since 2010. So there isn't much difference even in good years.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

How much did it destabilize India? India launches only 3-6 space missions per year since 2010. So there isn't much difference even in good years.

Overall launch frequency capacity had increased to 10 launches per year in 2019 with introduction of SVAB. ISRO had a target for 12-24 launches every year from 2020 but operations were halted after lockdown.

 

[ketaki]

too bad it successfully landed.

Thats an outstanding achievement by CCP scientists

Landing on mars is no joke...that too in 1st attempt with powered landing plus rover too omg

Waiting for pics from surface...do post them here immediately from CCP social media

 

[SexyChineseLady]

Overall launch frequency capacity had increased to 10 launches per year in 2019 with introduction of SVAB. ISRO had a target for 12-24 launches every year from 2020 but operations were halted after lockdown.

Ok. But based on total launches, it didn't impact most space faring countries at all. The US had 36 launches which was more than 2019 and US had Covid much worse last year than India.

The reason is launches are planned years before hand and cannot be canceled at a whim otherwise the pipeline would be backed up. China, the US, EU and Russia launched pretty much the same number they do every year. You can't cancel 30 launches in one year and be able to make that up next year.

Why is the Indian space program is so super fragile versus everyone else? It is probably more likely those proposed 2020 Indian launches were never really in the pipeline. They were just "aspirational" not scheduled and paid for like other countries?

 

[rockdog]

Ok. But based on total launches, it didn't impact most space faring countries at all. The US had 36 launches which was more than 2019 and US had Covid much worse last year than India.

The reason is launches are planned years before hand and cannot be canceled at a whim otherwise the pipeline would be backed up. China, the US, EU and Russia launched pretty much the same number they do every year. You can't cancel 30 launches in one year and be able to make that up next year.

Why is the Indian space program is so super fragile versus everyone else? It is probably more likely those proposed 2020 Indian launches were never really in the pipeline. They were just "aspirational" not scheduled and paid for like other countries?

I think the no. of launchs of India is quite reasonal with current India's economic scale.

As i remembered, when China had similiar GDP size, like around 2000 we also launched not more than 8 times per year, at that time we don't need GPS/Beidou system, Moon landing mission or so many military/spy satte...

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Why is the Indian space program is so super fragile versus everyone else? It is probably more likely those proposed 2020 Indian launches were never really in the pipeline. They were just "aspirational

I think the no. of launchs of India is quite reasonal with current India's economic scale.

As i remembered, when China had similiar GDP size, like around 2000 we also launched not more than 8 times per year, at that time we don't need GPS/Beidou system, Moon landing mission or so many military/spy satte...

Like the "ecosystem" of American aerospace, thousands of private space vendors have emerged in India over past 2 decades manufacturing components and India's launch frequency increased.

Difference being Indian vendors aren't sophisticated like SpaceX or Blue Origin. AgniKul and Skyroot are yet in early stages while factories and workshops (literally uses small factories and workshops to keep costs low) supplying components have remained close over an year and have been suffering from acute supply argon, oxygen and welding equipment due to lockdowns.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

It also matters "what you are launching". Small rockets allow swifter launch frequency like Minotaur-I, Start-I, Kuizhaou, Epsilon and SSLV.

US, Russia, China and Japan launch a mix of medium and heavy launchers. US and Russia with larger frequency of heavy rockets while PRC and Japan with more of medium rocekts.

Europe launches 6-8 heavy rockets alone every year. India has 6-8 medium rockets every year though of various degrees. PSLV (mid-light) takes shorter span pg time to assemble than LVM3 (mid-heavy). With SSLV, India's launch frequency would be 40-60 launches/year but it won't mean an improvement in production actually.

SSLV takes 3 days and 2 people for a launch, LVM3 occupies a whole goddamn factory for months and then a vehicle assembly building for many weeks.

 

[Mantospace]

Thats an outstanding achievement by CCP scientists

Landing on mars is no joke...that too in 1st attempt with powered landing plus rover too omg

Waiting for pics from surface...do post them here immediately from CCP social media

I thnk my post is deleted. I thnk we forget chinese releases a tweet showing rocket and cremetation side by side.

Hw we forget whole humanity suffering from china virus. And they enjying

 

[Alien_cat26]

Don't destroy the topic thread, there is only science and no viruses!

Waiting for "Zhurong Rover" ( Tentative May 22)

 

[ketaki]

I thnk my post is deleted. I thnk we forget chinese releases a tweet showing rocket and cremetation side by side.

Hw we forget whole humanity suffering from china virus. And they enjying

I have not forgot...

There is a possibility that lander/rover might be not able to communicate images
It has been 2 days and not a single image of surface rcvd so far

 

[mandestiny]

Don't destroy the topic thread, there is only science and no viruses!

Waiting for "Zhurong Rover" ( Tentative May 22)

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Science Ohhhh

 

[rockdog]

I have not forgot...

There is a possibility that lander/rover might be not able to communicate images
It has been 2 days and not a single image of surface rcvd so far

News said the remote sensing data is transmitting, that's more important.

Image is low priority, but of couse it's popular for public.

 

[ketaki]

News said the remote sensing data is transmitting, that's more important.

Image is low priority, but of couse it's popular for public.

May be the lander rover are in “covid quarantine” by martians

 

[s002wjh]

look like india was invited to chinese space station for scientific experiment along with other Developing nation, Mexico/Kenya/Peru/Mexico

 

[SexyChineseLady]

First try with rocket, orbiter, lander and rover! It took NASA many multiple trips over three decades to do same. Amazing!

On its first try, China’s Zhurong rover hit a Mars milestone that took NASA decades

China has fast-tracked its way onto the red planet, almost matching NASA’s capability in a fraction of the time. Its Zhurong rover will become the first to measure Mars’s magnetic field.

theconversation.com

On its first try, China’s Zhurong rover hit a Mars milestone that took NASA decades

May 18, 2021 4.10pm EDT
Sara Webb, Rebecca Allen, Swinburne University of Technology

China’s Zhurong rover landed safely on Mars on May 15, making China only the third country to successfully land a rover on the red planet.

More impressively still, China is the first Mars-going nation to carry out an orbiting, landing and rovering operation as its first mission.

Planetary scientist Roberto Orosei told Nature China is “doing in a single go what NASA took decades to do”, while astrophysicist Jonathon McDowell described China’s decision to include a rover in its maiden Mars outing as a “very gutsy move”.

 

[johnq]

China is using stolen rocket/space technology to do this, while others had to learn it all on their own. The father of Chinese rocket technology stole it from the US, and Chinese hackers have stolen space vehicle technology from NASA.

 

[SexyChineseLady]

China is using stolen rocket/space technology to do this, while others had to learn it all on their own. The father of Chinese rocket technology stole it from the US, and Chinese hackers have stolen space vehicle technology from NASA.

lol. You still need a massive, massive industrial complex behind whatever ideas you think were stolen

You could hand the classified blueprints and studies to 99% of the world's countries and they still can't build an interplanetary rocket, orbiter, lander and rover because they have nothing to build them with!

 

[ketaki]

First try with rocket, orbiter, lander and rover! It took NASA many multiple trips over three decades to do same. Amazing!

On its first try, China’s Zhurong rover hit a Mars milestone that took NASA decades

China has fast-tracked its way onto the red planet, almost matching NASA’s capability in a fraction of the time. Its Zhurong rover will become the first to measure Mars’s magnetic field.

theconversation.com

On its first try, China’s Zhurong rover hit a Mars milestone that took NASA decades

May 18, 2021 4.10pm EDT
Sara Webb, Rebecca Allen, Swinburne University of Technology

China’s Zhurong rover landed safely on Mars on May 15, making China only the third country to successfully land a rover on the red planet.

More impressively still, China is the first Mars-going nation to carry out an orbiting, landing and rovering operation as its first mission.

Planetary scientist Roberto Orosei told Nature China is “doing in a single go what NASA took decades to do”, while astrophysicist Jonathon McDowell described China’s decision to include a rover in its maiden Mars outing as a “very gutsy move”.

while the achievements of Tianwen mission is superb, please dont forget that its based on experience gathered from their own space missions AND NASA, ESA and USSR/Russia mars missions.

"nobody reinvents the wheel in different countries to make a bicycle"

everyone learns from others only...ISRO got successful in Mangalyaan mission (1st attempt to orbit mars) not because of ISRO scientist woke up one day with new radical revolutionary mathematics to launch a rocket...but by study of actual requirements, current capabilities, other missions and cooperation with international space community.

until CNSA becomes "1st attempt successful" in a new space mission never undertaken by humans before...we should stop patting on one's own back for the same

here are my requests for CNSA to prove how cool they are...

1. landing a submarine in Europa's underground ocean
2. landing a human on mars
3. building a permanent moon colony

 

[SexyChineseLady]

while the achievements of Tianwen mission is superb, please dont forget that its based on experience gathered from their own space missions AND NASA, ESA and USSR/Russia mars missions.

"nobody reinvents the wheel in different countries to make a bicycle"

everyone learns from others only...ISRO got successful in Mangalyaan mission (1st attempt to orbit mars) not because of ISRO scientist woke up one day with new radical revolutionary mathematics to launch a rocket...but by study of actual requirements, current capabilities, other missions and cooperation with international space community.

until CNSA becomes "1st attempt successful" in a new space mission never undertaken by humans before...we should stop patting on one's own back for the same

here are my requests for CNSA to prove how cool they are...

1. landing a submarine in Europa's underground ocean
2. landing a human on mars
3. building a permanent moon colony

You also need an immense economy and industrial complex to do all three but especially the last two.

The colony on the moon will happen. It is too near and too strategic for the earth's major powers not to be there. The US, Russia and China are already there (China in the far side too!)

BUT the startup cost would be in the trillions -- more than the GDPs of nearly all nation except a handful.

China is the already largest economy based on use of resources (it uses fully half of the world's steel) and PPP so it will most likely be one of those with a moon colony. US, of course. Russia has tech but the economy? EU probably.

India? It might be a trade off of your infrastructure on earth versus a moon colony

Anyone else? Probably only as guests of the handful of nations that can afford lunar colonies.

It comes down to GDP and the industrial complex. You cant build one or two spacecraft for a colony. You have to mass produce them.