Chinese Navy Destroyers

[Super Flanker]

Wait, we have a sexy chinese lady in our server?

 

[johnj]

That is the philosophy in Chinese manufacturing, quality comes after you have begun building in quantity. You cannot get good at building anything until you built lots of it.

China sees this more than other nation because of the pressure the US puts on it.

It is not only the quality of US systems that is scary but the massive quantity of it. The USN had 60 DDGs in 2012 when China had exactly 6 052Cs! Back then, the quantity gap looked as hopeless as the quality one.

Even today the US has 11 carriers when no one else has more than 2. But at least the DDGs ratio is no longer as bad.

But as long as the production lines are running, the numbers will even out and the quality will get better year after year with more ships you build.

US has 20 carriers & 11 of them are super carriers.
Chinese has 2 ACs & 2 lhds.

 

[Super Flanker]

To blow up their fleets in indian ocean we need strong surveillance , that way we can blow the heck out of them without even sending a flotilla or a fleet to engage them .

Indian Navy's primary objective in a Potential Naval battle with PLAN will be area denial of IOR against any PLAN offensive. Let's face the facts, in terms of shipbuilding and technology, we will not be able to match the Chinese so instead of Building more ships, we should invest more in our missile programs like Brahmos. Brahmos-2 will be a hypersonic cruise missile and it will prove to be deadly for PLAN/PN ships.

So to counter the Chinese from my POV, we need to have more better radars to provide better surveillance capabilities and also missiles like Brahmos 2 which will have very High speeds and a large maximum range. At the same point, India Should not ignore building ships, but simultaneously design and build larger Destroyers (11000+ tons Displaying etc). We are already doing this in Project 18.

 

[SexyChineseLady]

These are some of the numbers associated with the current 5 Year Plan (2022 to 2027):

Type 052D/DL DDG 18 (43 total, 25 current)
Type 055 DDG 8 (16 total, 8 current)
Type 093 SSN 10 (~17-20, all variant A,B,G)
Type 095 SSN 2 (next gen)
Type 039X SSK 19 (~60 total Type 039 variants from A and up )
Type 003 CV 1
Type 075 LHD 5 (8 total including 3 current)
Type 054B FFG 5 (next gen)
Type 054A FFG 20 (62 total, 42 current service or launched)
Type 071 LPD 5 (13 total including 8 current)

 

[SexyChineseLady]

Type 052D mass production batch in current 5-Year-Plan! Up to five at once in a single dry dock.

 

[SexyChineseLady]

Soon all 8 Type 055s of first batch will be commissioned. (First one was launched only in 2017!)

 

[BON PLAN]

Soon all 8 Type 055s of first batch will be commissioned. (First one was launched only in 2017!)

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Astonishing rythm of chinese fleet construction.

 

[Love Charger]

Astonishing rythm of chinese fleet construction.

I tell you sir , one thing
Many people dismiss Chinese military hardware on the grounds of being technically inferior. I beg to digress from this point of view .
Given their breakneck speed of construction, they ought to have improved on Amy defects whatsoever.
Even a average student when he solves 30 maths problems of same type , will not find difficult to solve a slightly different and hard problem, you see

 

[SexyChineseLady]

I tell you sir , one thing
Many people dismiss Chinese military hardware on the grounds of being technically inferior. I beg to digress from this point of view .
Given their breakneck speed of construction, they ought to have improved on Amy defects whatsoever.
Even a average student when he solves 30 maths problems of same type , will not find difficult to solve a slightly different and hard problem, you see

Rapid incremental change through production. The philosophy is from business. The idea is you constantly improve by building more and more and faster and faster for the market. Slow delivery and static product lead to someone else taking over market and death for your company.

 

[SexyChineseLady]

The 26th to 30th Type 052Ds at Dalian being built have new changes implemented. Some call them Type 052DM (after elongated version DL) but that is not official designation yet.

 

[anirban8]

I tell you sir , one thing
Many people dismiss Chinese military hardware on the grounds of being technically inferior. I beg to digress from this point of view .
Given their breakneck speed of construction, they ought to have improved on Amy defects whatsoever.
Even a average student when he solves 30 maths problems of same type , will not find difficult to solve a slightly different and hard problem, you see

The speed of construction comes from the already available infra on the civil side, one cannot really tell from that if they will serve their intended purpose or not. Although I don't think we'll have to keep guessing since a China-Taiwan war is really close I predict.

 

[SexyChineseLady]

The speed of construction comes from the already available infra on the civil side, one cannot really tell from that if they will serve their intended purpose or not. Although I don't think we'll have to keep guessing since a China-Taiwan war is really close I predict.

The massive numbers of warships (and warplanes) produced tend to discourage war. Nobody wants to entertain a war with someone who has 38 destroyers over 7K tons each and 200 stealth fighters hoping that their equipment somehow doesn't work

Taiwan will remain a conduit for Western technology into China without war

 

[SexyChineseLady]

Evolution of the Type 052 family tree!

Type 052 -- 4600 tons, 2 constructed

Type 052B -- 7000 tons, 2 constructed

Type 052C -- 7000 tons, 6 constructed

Type 052D -- 7500 tons, 25 constructed (+ 5 building)

 

[BON PLAN]

I tell you sir , one thing
Many people dismiss Chinese military hardware on the grounds of being technically inferior. I beg to digress from this point of view .
Given their breakneck speed of construction, they ought to have improved on Amy defects whatsoever.
Even a average student when he solves 30 maths problems of same type , will not find difficult to solve a slightly different and hard problem, you see

Maybe.
But in one hand we have fully war proven west products (specially US ones), and in the other chinese non proven weapons.
See Ukraine : the west products prove to be really effective against non export russian wepons (because during the Irak war it was said that the russian wepons was not so effective because export variant...). And china weapons remain mainly of a russian inspiration.

 

[SexyChineseLady]

Maybe.
But in one hand we have fully war proven west products (specially US ones), and in the other chinese non proven weapons.
See Ukraine : the west products prove to be really effective against non export russian wepons (because during the Irak war it was said that the russian wepons was not so effective because export variant...). And china weapons remain mainly of a russian inspiration.

Type 052D and Type 055 have no Russian design philosophy or any Russian equivalents for that matter

In fact, they are very far apart.

Russia do not design their ships around an universal VLS (anti-air/sub/ship in a single set of cells) like modern Chinese destroyers.

 

[Love Charger]

Maybe.
But in one hand we have fully war proven west products (specially US ones), and in the other chinese non proven weapons.
See Ukraine : the west products prove to be really effective against non export russian wepons (because during the Irak war it was said that the russian wepons was not so effective because export variant...). And china weapons remain mainly of a russian inspiration.

Oh iam least concerned about Ukraine, they seem to be doing well after getting western weapons.
But we , we have even now 70 percent arsenal of ussr or Russian origin weapons, license produced here .

 

[rockdog]

Maybe.
But in one hand we have fully war proven west products (specially US ones), and in the other chinese non proven weapons.
See Ukraine : the west products prove to be really effective against non export russian wepons (because during the Irak war it was said that the russian wepons was not so effective because export variant...). And china weapons remain mainly of a russian inspiration.

Are Indian worried about its forces, since i think 70% of Indian weapons reply on Russian?

 

[Love Charger]

Are Indian worried about its forces, since i think 70% of Indian weapons reply on Russian?

We are very worried
Even though india shifting to western standards is long drawn phenomena
The Sovietization of Indian military started in 70s ,due to cheapness and ofcourse liberal license manufacturing deals , along with long term payment programs.
But india continued to buy western tech from neutral nations like France and Britain
When it comes to artillery, india could have opted to go to Soviet calibre of 152 mm , but we didn't
We opted of 155 mm , for our tank projects we used 120 mm guns instead of 125 mm ones.
As far as our ballistic missile programs go. Germany and French were instrumental in providing us help initially.
Later on it is Isreal and own efforts.
Now , india has regularly ditched russian equipment many times. We bought artillery from USA and South Korea. We bought fighter aircrafts from France.
Along with our government companies setting up technical cooperation treaties with these nations .
Not only defense , we know rusian equipment and tech is not upto the mark even when other technical fields are considered.
Be it steel plants or oil rigs , western tech is inheritenly superior than Russia
@BON PLAN
So much so, when india did a airstrike in Pakistan in 2019, it was French mirage over newer Russian migs and sukhoi 30 mkis which IAF deployes

 

[SexyChineseLady]

Primer on Chinese and Russian naval design philosophy.

Chinese warship development is centered around the Universal Vertical Launch System. Every missile save the HHQ-10 point defense system are packed in cells that can carry everything hence "universal."

The Chinese fleet is centered around the 13K ton Type 055 and 7.5K ton Type 052D destroyers.

Russian design philosophy traditionally dictated larger, more power anti-ship missiles in seperate canisters:

SAMs are in different systems. In fact, different ranged SAMs even if VLS are in each of their own systems. Cells are not usable by other types.

New Russian design philosophy because of the lack of funds concentrate on frigate sized vessels. Very different from very heavy destroyer force of PLAN.

 

[johnj]

Primer on Chinese and Russian naval design philosophy.

Chinese warship development is centered around the Universal Vertical Launch System. Every missile save the HHQ-10 point defense system are packed in cells that can carry everything hence "universal."

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The Chinese fleet is centered around the 13K ton Type 055 and 7.5K ton Type 052D destroyers.

Russian design philosophy traditionally dictated larger, more power anti-ship missiles in seperate canisters:
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SAMs are in different systems. In fact, different ranged SAMs even if VLS are in each of their own systems. Cells are not usable by other types.

New Russian design philosophy because of the lack of funds concentrate on frigate sized vessels. Very different from very heavy destroyer force of PLAN.

You totally confused with USSR with Russia. Russia follows EU design, similar to India. Chinese follow USN currently & EU design for export.China switching from USSR design to US design, IN always follows EU & PN also follows EU naval ship building designs.