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While it is true J-10 was based on Lavi in the 1980s, today J-10 is cross between Rafale and F-16.
No. This is not how it works. A plane's engine, aerodynamics & frame design does NOT undergo change. Only avionics and the electronics does. The F-16 block A & block F have the exact same airframe, aerodynamic capacity and engine.
A plane is designed first and foremost with the engine in mind. This is why except for minor changes, no plane has ever swapped out engines for another engine model - you do that and your entire planes balance, c.o.g and t.w.r are affected.
 

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No. This is not how it works. A plane's engine, aerodynamics & frame design does NOT undergo change. Only avionics and the electronics does. The F-16 block A & block F have the exact same airframe, aerodynamic capacity and engine.
A plane is designed first and foremost with the engine in mind. This is why except for minor changes, no plane has ever swapped out engines for another engine model - you do that and your entire planes balance, c.o.g and t.w.r are affected.
You can see J-10 is like Rafale and F-16 had a baby.

 

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You can see J-10 is like Rafale and F-16 had a baby.

No, i can see that the J-10 is clone of the Lavi. Rafale wasnt even in prototype production in the 80s. It only had ONE plane built by 1990 as a tech demonstrator, with its design not frozen till 1988.
 

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No, i can see that the J-10 is clone of the Lavi. Rafale wasnt even in prototype production in the 80s. It only had ONE plane built by 1990 as a tech demonstrator, with its design not frozen till 1988.
Rafale first flew in 1986. At the time France and China had good relation and China was actively pursuing Western tech and designs.
 

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Rafale first flew in 1986. At the time France and China had good relation and China was actively pursuing Western tech and designs.
Except France didnt transfer tech to China. Israel did, as my citation shows. You already admitted that the J-10 'early' design is based on the Lavi. Since there is no such thing as modifying the design of airframe/engine in later designs on any fighter jet ever, it means J10 is based on the Lavi.
 

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Except France didnt transfer tech to China. Israel did, as my citation shows. You already admitted that the J-10 'early' design is based on the Lavi. Since there is no such thing as modifying the design of airframe/engine in later designs on any fighter jet ever, it means J10 is based on the Lavi.
Lavi drew its design from Rafale and F-16. J-10 is based on Lavi. So J-10 is Rafale F-16 cross.

In the 1970s, Israel used Mirage III and F-4.
 

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Lavi drew its design from Rafale and F-16. J-10 is based on Lavi. So J-10 is Rafale F-16 cross.
No. Lavi's design is earlier than Rafale's, its design got frozen before the Rafale even had its first test flight.
There is no Rafale involved in the J10. None, nada, zip.
 

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No. Lavi's design is earlier than Rafale's, its design got frozen before the Rafale even had its first test flight.
There is no Rafale involved in the J10. None, nada, zip.
Israel used Mirage III and F-4 in the 1970s. When Israel developed Lavi in the 1980s, they consulted Rafale and F-16. Lavi is Rafale and F-16 cross.
 

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Israel used Mirage III and F-4 in the 1970s. When Israel developed Lavi in the 1980s, they consulted Rafale and F-16. Lavi is Rafale and F-16 cross.
They consulted Dassault you mean. Rafale is the plane, Dassault is the manufacturer. And no, Israel didn't consult Dassault. The entire reason Israel built the Lavi is because its Mirage deal got embargoed by France. One doesn't prevent you from buying one's product only to help you develop your own by giving info of the product one isnt gonna sell you. Thats literally retarded. Stop making things up. Lavi is not a Rafale & F16 cross, it can't be a cross of something its older in development from.
 

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They consulted Dassault you mean. Rafale is the plane, Dassault is the manufacturer. And no, Israel didn't consult Dassault. The entire reason Israel built the Lavi is because its Mirage deal got embargoed by France. One doesn't prevent you from buying one's product only to help you develop your own by giving info of the product one isnt gonna sell you. Thats literally retarded. Stop making things up. Lavi is not a Rafale & F16 cross, it can't be a cross of something its older in development from.
Mirage III was popular in Israel in the early 70s. Israel consulted Dassault for Lavi design. Rafale was developed since the late 70s and first flew in 1986.
 

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Mirage III was popular in Israel in the early 1970s. Israel consulted Dassault for Lavi design. Rafale was developed since the late 70s and first flew in 1986.
Israel did not consult Dassault for Lavi design. It was under embargo from France and France cancelled its Mirage F4 deal with Israel is why Israel developed the Lavi. Stop making up stuff like a typical CCP agent.
 

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Israel did not consult Dassault for Lavi design. It was under embargo from France and France cancelled its Mirage F4 deal with Israel is why Israel developed the Lavi. Stop making up stuff like a typical CCP agent.
France cannot disobey Israel. Israel basically owns France. Israel liked Mirage III in the early 70s. So when Israel designed Lavi, they picked canard design from Rafale which as developed in the late 70s / early 80s. Rafale first flew in 1986.
 

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France cannot disobey Israel. Israel basically owns France. Israel liked Mirage III in the early 70s. So when Israel designed Lavi, they picked canard design from Rafale which as developed in the late 70s / early 80s. Rafale first flew in 1986.
France embargoed Israel's Mirage V orders in 1967 and cancelled them. This is a matter of open record and has already been cited. Which is why Israeli agents stole the design and made the Kfir and Nesher.
You cannot pick a design from a plane that is YOUNGER than you. As i said, stop making things up.
 

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France embargoed Israel's Mirage V orders in 1967 and cancelled them. This is a matter of open record and has already been cited. Which is why Israeli agents stole the design and made the Kfir and Nesher.
You cannot pick a design from a plane that is YOUNGER than you. As i said, stop making things up.
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One face to the public. Another face in private.

Irrelevant. Hillary Clinton is irrelevant to Israel- France, especially in the 70s and 80s. Whats fact is France embargoed Israel's order of Mirage V in 1967 and Israel designed the Lavi as a response. Thats a matter of open record. Hence you are wrong.
 

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Irrelevant. Hillary Clinton is irrelevant to Israel- France, especially in the 70s and 80s. Whats fact is France embargoed Israel's order of Mirage V in 1967 and Israel designed the Lavi as a response. Thats a matter of open record. Hence you are wrong.
Rafale flew in July 1986. Lavi flew in December 1986. Lavi drew design from Rafale which is earlier.
 

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Rafale flew in July 1986. Lavi flew in December 1986. Lavi drew design from Rafale which is earlier.
No. Lavi design is independent design since France is on open record to've embargoed Israel's military deals with France.
This is as stupid as saying the Americans helped China make the J-20.
 

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No. Lavi design is independent design since France is on open record to've embargoed Israel's military deals with France.
This is as stupid as saying the Americans helped China make the J-20.
Embargo does not forbid designs. J-20 has many aspects of F-35 such as DSI, EOTS turret.
 
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