China it's own worst enemy because of emotional burts

[pi314159]

BTW, redragon please don't report kickok1979's to your CCP supervisor. This forum should only be among ourselves. I promise I will not tell anybody about his comments either...

Sounds like you get scared of this debate, but don't worry, this kind of debate is going on millions times each day in Chinese forum. Because we are right in the times Dickens described "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times", so no wonder

 

[Bhadra]

I believe selfishness and indifference people exist in every country. But if you rank whose moral declined most in last 30 years, I think if Chinese claimed No.2, no one can say they are No.1. This article indeed has some merits. We could be a better nation if we accept different ideals and some time uncomfortable criticism

Yah ! you mean to say "let thousand Flowers Bloom"! what happened to that is a history.

 

[amitkriit]

I'm not necessary the nicer one. I believe most of my fellow Chinese posters are nice guy in life. Maybe some of them are more patriotic than me and got offended regardless China was criticized fairly or unfairly.

A person who has got the guts to criticize his own country, people and system is more patriotic than see-no-evil kind of guys under special circumstances, and this is one of those. CCP has become too powerful, to a point where it has stopped listening to the sane voices. I wonder what happened to the concept of "Peaceful Rise".

China is virtually forcing her neighbors into western lap, and the biggest losers will be the Asian nations themselves, including India and China. NATO and EU are not our allies, they are the ones who pushed us backwards by several centuries, they are responsible for the poverty and disease in our countries. Here goes the dream of an "Asian Century" down in gutter.

 

[Bhadra]

A person who has got the guts to criticize his own country, people and system is more patriotic than see-no-evil kind of guys under special circumstances, and this is one of those. CCP has become too powerful, to a point where it has stopped listening to the sane voices. I wonder what happened to the concept of "Peaceful Rise".

China is virtually forcing her neighbors into western lap, and the biggest losers will be the Asian nations themselves, including India and China. NATO and EU are not our allies, they are the ones who pushed us backwards by several centuries, they are responsible for the poverty and disease in our countries. Here goes the dream of an "Asian Century" down in gutter.

Yes, history does say so. The moot question of the time is - which is better? The Chinese hegemony or economic re - exploitation by the west and the US? It is the Chinese behaviour which will makes many Asian country to favour of the later. Chinese have never proved themselves to be benevolent friends and rulers. Due to historical reasons and cultural ethos, Chinese are despots and cruel.

 

[asianobserve]

How can any country like China: They will pretend to loan you money (invest is the preferred term) for your own needs. But then they will make sure that the same money is spent on Chinese companies and paid to Chinese workers. Then as you are already indebted to China, China will take away your natural resources and ship them all to China. Smaller countries will ask in the end, what did they get out of it? Or in the case of South East Asia China will claim all oil rich territories as they are within the general area labeled as South China Sea (the Philippines in response has recently named the sea as West Philippine Sea).

 

[Bhadra]

How can any country like China: They will pretend to loan you money (invest is the preferred term) for your own needs. But then they will make sure that the same money is spent on Chinese companies and paid to Chinese workers. Then as you are already indebted to China, China will take away your natural resources and ship them all to China. Smaller countries will ask in the end, what did they get out of it?

Well, they have learnt it from the West but not as smart as the Western hypocrites but are rather clumsy and not sophisticated.

 

[Ray]

The Mongoloid people are practical pragmatists, who subdue their emotional needs and hence appear cruel, ruthless and great ones to gamble and take risks.

One has to only observe the Chinese, Japanese (WWII and before), Vietnam (not bothered if she is a small country, she is ready to take on China) and so on.

 

[Bhadra]

The Mongoloid people are practical pragmatists, who subdue their emotional needs and hence appear cruel, ruthless and great ones to gamble and take risks.

One has to only observe the Chinese, Japanese (WWII and before), Vietnam (not bothered if she is a small country, she is ready to take on China) and so on.

That observation may be true for all agrarian or feudal societies in general, even for our own stock of Hill or NE people but there is great difference between Muslim Mongol, Buddhist Mongol and Confucian Mongol and heartless Communist Mongol. Clubbing Japanese with them appears to be in consonance of stories of their WW II brutalities but they are very different behaviourly and culturally.

 

[mattster]

The overhyping of China by the Western media is part of the reason why China is becoming so belligerent in South China sea with regards to territorial claims that ridiculous. To a certain extent - the Chinese themselves are buying all the bombastic BS written about China.

China will never have any significant soft power - because its a selfish culture that worships only power and money, more so than even Western cultures. It is also a culture that also lacks any altruistic or spiritual dimension. Its hard to imagine such a culture generating any sort creative appeal be it in music, art, film, or any world wide popular culture appeal. To make matters worse - their one child policy has created a whole generation without any siblings - the so called little emperors. This generation is likely to be even more self-centered.

Sure they are going to be tons of MBA students, businessman all over the world, etc learning Mandarin, and hoping it will elevate their career prospects but it will never become any kind of international language with any appeal.

This is a top-down system where almost absolute power rests with the government, and a handful of senior CCP officials - probably less than 10. The government is all powerful and rich, and you better not fuck with them or they can make you disappear.

The spiritual/cultural vacuum in these types of countries is usually filled with a mindless sort of nationalistic pride. The politicans, military and people all reinforce each other with this brand of nationalism - this is why every few months you see some kind of saber rattling by the CCP or PLA mouthpieces.

Let me put it this way: I would not be the least bit surprised, if in 20 years time, there is a full-blown cold-war between China and the entire ASEAN region.

 

[KS]

but there is great difference between Muslim Mongol, Buddhist Mongol and Confucian Mongol and heartless Communist Mongol. .

Can you elaborate on that ?

 

[rock127]

A person who has got the guts to criticize his own country, people and system is more patriotic than see-no-evil kind of guys under special circumstances, and this is one of those. CCP has become too powerful, to a point where it has stopped listening to the sane voices. I wonder what happened to the concept of "Peaceful Rise".

China is virtually forcing her neighbors into western lap, and the biggest losers will be the Asian nations themselves, including India and China. NATO and EU are not our allies, they are the ones who pushed us backwards by several centuries, they are responsible for the poverty and disease in our countries. Here goes the dream of an "Asian Century" down in gutter.

It is a open secret that the west is cunning enough to make sure there exists mistrust and enemity among Asians. The future is Asia ie. China and India who needs to understand this and work towards having peaceful co-existence and betterment as both has a long way to go to match the west.If China thinks that it's strong enough to bully and push around smaller neighbours then it needs to think again as no one likes to be bullied and this will give them a reason to join the west.This newly acquired power status seems to be corrupting minds of China and it can lead to disaster for not only to China but to others as well. With power comes responsibility and unfortunately China doesn't seems to be responsible enough these days where it's claiming air/water/land of smaller countries.

China should take initiative for creating peaceful atmosphere and increase business among other Asians so that we become less reliant on the west.

However west would try it's best to keep them divided so that their hegenomy is kept intact.

 

[ice berg]

In 2007 Both Japan and Vietnam refused to have a trilateral pacts with the US ( military) because they feared it would look like an encircling of China policy. But 3 -4 years later, how the attitudes have changed. This is solely the fault of the Chinese who have driven several asian countries into the the US arms. The reason behind it is the naive emotional foreign policy outburts coming out of bejing.

China will never win hearts and minds

China's soft power gap. China will undoubtedly evolve into an economic superpower. Its economy, within decades, will become the world's largest. Per capita disposable income will be constrained but aggregate spending power will be massive. China's industrial tentacles will be felt everywhere; traditional Chinese medicine will become more popular; and university students will learn Mandarin.

But China will not easily capture hearts and minds. The Chinese are ethnocentric. In large ways and small, an instinct to narrowly defend interests can be off putting:

First, the country maintains a chip on its shoulder regarding indignities suffered at the hands of foreigners between the Opium War and the establishment of Communist China in 1949. Strident outrage erupts whenever any country "hurts the feelings of the Chinese people."

Second, in a pinch, the government lapses into bullyboy petulance, throwing economic and military weight around the region. Diplomatic relationships with Japan and India are tetchy, largely because China remains brittle and insecure. Decades-long territorial disputes are unresolved.

Third, although Chinese society is more civil than a few years ago, daily life is still dog-eat-dog. Charity organizations are underdeveloped due to the party's reluctance to grant authority to any entity not under its direct control. Families, unprotected by rule of law, fend for themselves at the expense of individuals outside the clan. Anyone who fails to conform to convention -- for example, the handicapped or mentally ill, homosexuals, and AIDS patients -- is socially ostracized. Spitting and burping in public is commonplace. In crowded elevators and airplanes, mobile phone users lack volume control.

Fourth, Chinese, a language in which written and spoken forms are completely unrelated, remains a temple of linguistic exclusivity, a walled garden, frustratingly off limits to everyone but the most disciplined and determined foreigners. Every character requires memorization; every sentence must conform to structural imperatives.

When in Rome? Despite fascination with the world, the Chinese do not assimilate easily. China tries hard to be open -- road signs are bilingual, English is a passion, trade links are robust, macroeconomic policies during financial crises were constructive -- but, emotionally, the nation stands apart. Information is controlled. Defensive instincts militate against free and easy exchange of ideas. Until trust is established, foreigners are treated with polite suspicion. Manufacturers that acquire Western companies have difficulty integrating domestic and international management teams. The global footprint of China's state-controlled English-language news outlets is growing, but broadcasts are so dull international viewers tune out. The opening ceremony of the 2008 Beijing Olympics, impressive in scale and moving in ambition, lapsed into mawkish cliché when gears shifted from celebrating China's glory to preaching "One World, One Dream."

China's ability to leverage the assets of other cultures is peerless. Its superhighways are modeled after America's and major web portals are copycats of Western sites, tweaked for local users. The Party has also integrated itself into the fabric of the global trading system as a check against domestic weaknesses (for example, poor corporate governance, pliable standards of financial transparency). But, unless deemed "safe," foreigners are still confronted with awkward silences and robotic smiles. Bonding at the national level is a long ways off.

China will be an economic superpower only. There will be more than one tiger on the mountain


Tom Doctoroff: A Chinese Century? Not Quite

The only point here worth mentioning is that Chinas worst enemy is her self. However that holds true for most countries as well. Aside from that lots of ignorance and petty accusations.

 

[JayATL]

The only point here worth mentioning is that Chinas worst enemy is her self. However that holds true for most countries as well. Aside from that lots of ignorance and petty accusations.

It depends on the degree to self-inflict stupidity from country to country. China has taken it to a level that is nothing short of baffling. A dissenter gets a noble peace prize and you have china going overboard with threatening countries economically that attend the convention ( making a mockery of themselves in the world), You have this absurd outlook, that because of ancient history, you own practically all of south china sea over100 of miles of it, while countries who border can't own anything beyond 10 miles from it. Hell- if India had that policy and that logic, Pakistan would not have any access to any of it seas beyond a gifted 1 miles radius.

It's this immature tantrum's that china throws that has driven its neighbor's right into the US arms. Japan, Vietnam, S Korea, Philippines etc. - go read articles from 3 years ago. They were all at best luke warm towards the US and were cautious of china's feelings... but 3 years later - every one of them have gone strongly back to the US side- and all because of China. US sat back and let Chinese petulance and immaturity flourish to their benefit.

we see these " bi-polar" outbursts in the chinese media much like the govt, which is state controlled , unlike India's ( so can't blame it on " that silly media outlet"), posts what seems bi -weekly an anti Indian post , threatening it - to be only followed in 72 hrs with an article that calls for China to take India seriously and with due respect.

Finally, there is a serious concern that China's military does things on its own and is not beholden to its govt very much. Chinese military leaders conduct tests unbeknownst to its leaders, issue war mongering statements that go above and beyond the norm of any conduct/ office of countries that hold equal or more power as china. Ram ships, cut of cables and other aggressive acts that are head scratchers to the rest of the world- who wonder is this a country that comes unhinged and acts on emotions much too often.

 

[trackwhack]

Sounds like you get scared of this debate, but don't worry, this kind of debate is going on millions times each day in Chinese forum. Because we are right in the times Dickens described "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times", so no wonder

And by worst I say it was as bad as my aunt Jenny's corn pudding, that thing would sink you like a stone

 

[Bhadra]

Mangoliads as such is a very vast population spreading over many countries and cultures to have common behavioural traits. Genetically also, they are same is doubtful.

 

[mattster]

It is a open secret that the west is cunning enough to make sure there exists mistrust and enemity among Asians. The future is Asia ie. China and India who needs to understand this and work towards having peaceful co-existence and betterment as both has a long way to go to match the west.If China thinks that it's strong enough to bully and push around smaller neighbours then it needs to think again as no one likes to be bullied and this will give them a reason to join the west.This newly acquired power status seems to be corrupting minds of China and it can lead to disaster for not only to China but to others as well. With power comes responsibility and unfortunately China doesn't seems to be responsible enough these days where it's claiming air/water/land of smaller countries.

China should take initiative for creating peaceful atmosphere and increase business among other Asians so that we become less reliant on the west.

However west would try it's best to keep them divided so that their hegenomy is kept intact.

I find this argument really somewhat idiotic - if the West wanted China and India at each others throats, then why is it that no NATO country sells weapons to China. Why aren't they beefing up India's missile and nuclear technology so that it can compete with China.

The US has refused to sell any weapon systems to China whereas they have offered India even the F-35. This stupid blaming the west for everything is just old. Use your head and look at the facts on the ground.

In fact the only country that plays both sides of the fence are India's age old ally the Russians. No one has done more to beef up the Chinese military than the Soviets.

 

[ice berg]

I find this argument really somewhat idiotic - if the West wanted China and India at each others throats, then why is it that no NATO country sells weapons to China. Why aren't they beefing up India's missile and nuclear technology so that it can compete with China.

The US has refused to sell any weapon systems to China whereas they have offered India even the F-35. This stupid blaming the west for everything is just old. Use your head and look at the facts on the ground.

In fact the only country that plays both sides of the fence are India's age old ally the Russians. No one has done more to beef up the Chinese military than the Soviets.

You are contradicting your self. First you say NATO isnt selling weapons to India, then that US was offering F-35 to India.
You do know that India hasnt signed the NPT , right? How can NATO sell nuclear tech then?

I agree about the Russia though.

 

[Ray]

Do you know that China has signed the NPT and yet merrily is proliferating?

 

[utubekhiladi]

Do you know that China has signed the NPT and yet merrily is proliferating?

they replied to the same question saying that their nuclear agreement with pakistan was signed before they joined NPT club so they will continue exporting nuclear things to its all weather friend.

china gave bird finger to usa and to the world.

 

[Ray]

And the new reactors?