Can India substitute China as a factory of the world? -An analysis.

[Lonewolf]

Even in China's weakest motorcycle exports，India is only a quarter of China.
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Sorry buddy in cars exports too we are not too far back , we are less in value but our number are not too low comparitively

 

[sunshine]

China export more by number but that 23million is a lie , that's more than total production in india while india is biggest teo wheeler manufacturer ,

Typo, that's the production volume, exporting 7 million motorcycles.

 

[sunshine]

Motorcycles are a sunset industry in China, and most Chinese cities have banned the issuance of motorcycle licenses.
China's domestic motorcycle sales are declining year by year.

 

[Lonewolf]

Motorcycles are a sunset industry in China, and most Chinese cities have banned the issuance of motorcycle licenses.
China's domestic motorcycle sales are declining year by year.

Also it's sunset oversea too for you , japanese bike maker are in plans to expand further production in india , Harley is planning a jv with hero motor crp for indian market , hero may use experience to enter that segment too , some ev bike manufacturer startup are planning some models .

As of cars , our car boom is yet to arrive , so does our carmaker were in mood to be competitive , this decade will see car sales boom in india , so does quality of i dian manufacturer , TATA motors use experience from their subsidery for high saftey rating ( 5 stars ) in low budget vehicles too , wait a few years , you will see changes

 

[SKC]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

India is all set to make (in the fact making) high value mobile set, High quality cars, Railway engines, Metro train sets, mobile parts, to planes. India is all set to produce everything. China can not even produce a good quality car. In spite of biggest manufacturer of car, Export of China is much lower than that of India. Indian 2 wheeler makers have kicked 160 out 200 two wheeler companies out of Africa and captured 60% share in a short period of time. Indian Train set is exported and doing very well across the world. India is rising in each and every area of low to high tech goods. China will soon be out of race. It can not simply compete with India. They captured the market when Indians were not there. Soon as Indian entered, they had no choice except quitting.

Indian ICF coaches have started being exported to many countries already.
Latest from Sri lanka:

 

[Vaibhavseafarer]

One thing I know is we need to be serious about 'Country of Origin' or Atmanirbhar Bharat.
Every time we buy something make sure it is Indian made.. I not available then only consider it of different country.
Worst case is buy Chinese.

 

[sunshine]

One thing I know is we need to be serious about 'Country of Origin' or Atmanirbhar Bharat.
Every time we buy something make sure it is Indian made.. I not available then only consider it of different country.
Worst case is buy Chinese.

It is very difficult. Under the current situation of China and India, the deficit with China in the first three months of this year is 14.5 billion US dollars.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

It is very difficult. Under the current situation of China and India, the deficit with China in the first three months of this year is 14.5 billion US dollars.

Imlort from china is set to become one half in 2 years.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Or should it be based on real data, rather than imagination?
China exported 430,000 cars worth $3.9 billion in the first quarter of this year.
China exports 23 million motorcycles in 2019
In the first two months of this year, China produced 210 million cell phone and exported 160 million cell phone，It produces 90% of the world's cell phone and laptop computers，70% of TV

India is still too far away from China.

90 % of cell phone. This need to be checed but Data is wrong.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Or should it be based on real data, rather than imagination?
China exported 430,000 cars worth $3.9 billion in the first quarter of this year.
China exports 23 million motorcycles in 2019
In the first two months of this year, China produced 210 million cell phone and exported 160 million cell phone，It produces 90% of the world's cell phone and laptop computers，70% of TV

India is still too far away from China.

Chin is not among first 15 car exporter country. Its car export is just 3% of germany. Even no 15 sweden's car export is 4 time higher than that of China. Car export of India was 11+ Bn USD in 2019.

 

[sorcerer]

The quad, European Union India deal which is in the pipeline etc can screw china good.
Govt of India need to work strongly on all these open cases despite the covid distractions.
china needed to be taught the elephant can not only dance but moonwalk over china despite what china throws in its way.

 

[Vaibhavseafarer]

It is very difficult. Under the current situation of China and India, the deficit with China in the first three months of this year is 14.5 billion US dollars.

Difficult but not Impossible.

 

[Lonewolf]

The quad, European Union India deal which is in the pipeline etc can screw china good.
Govt of India need to work strongly on all these open cases despite the covid distractions.
china needed to be taught the elephant can not only dance but moonwalk over china despite what china throws in its way.

European were mulling a trade deal and some 5 g cooperation in their statement before leaders meeting , home our diplomat are trying their best to secure a deal for us , quad , aussies ,japan anytime , USA never , they won't do it , they wanna milk india

 

[sorcerer]

European were mulling a trade deal and some 5 g cooperation in their statement before leaders meeting , home our diplomat are trying their best to secure a deal for us , quad , aussies ,japan anytime , USA never , they won't do it , they wanna milk india

Cant say for sure..
cuz they all got screwed by china raw during pandemic.
no govt will forgive such..disruptions including hacking and infrastructure disruptions by china during a crucial national crisis.

This kind of thing creates a never healing wound and scar in their minds against china.
The businesses in these nations would want a safe and secure bet and that is India. THey will adapt and realign.

Fuck china

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Even in China's weakest motorcycle exports，India is only a quarter of China.
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Now post the data of car sale and see whether china comes in first 15? That is why I say that china is good at making of low cost low tech goods. It is a matter of few years before we replace china from first position.

 

[sunshine]

Chin is not among first 15 car exporter country. Its car export is just 3% of germany. Even no 15 sweden's car export is 4 time higher than that of China. Car export of India was 11+ Bn USD in 2019.

Car export of India was 11+ Bn USD in 2019.This figure includes motorcycles？which China does not count motorbike as car exports.

 

[tarunraju]

India won't be a world factory, but India will be self-sufficient. Most of the things it needs will be locally made, of a higher quality than China, and western investors will eventually see India as a manufacturing springboard to better address MENA (Middle-East and North Africa), and East/Sub-Saharan Africa. This will be driven mostly by American companies desperate to undercut Chinese ones.

The biggest challenge India faces now is not of policy, infrastruture, capital, or labour; but shipping.

India doesn't have one big shipping company of its own with super-size shipping vessels. SCI is a joke. We mostly rely on European shipping companies for the bulk of our international trade, and even our oil/gas.

Congress must be credited for creating Concor. It at least helped India cut container/handling costs. Containers aren't just big boxes of metal, they're sophisticated pieces of machinery that aren't cheap, and expensive to track and maintain. Right now Concor faces the same problems as any shitty PSU. It should be privatized.

Next, any Industrialist with a ton of money to spend should enter the shipping business. Operate Panama-registered vessels if you have to, but be an Indian company. This will make our products significantly more competitive in the global markets, because we'll have greater control over the shipping costs. Right now, chicom shipping companies are able to undercut even European ones at greater distances. This directly impacts prices of Chinese commodities.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

ASEAN will be factory of the world, not India.
Most of the “Factory of World” prerequisites are not in GoI control, i.e willingness of foreign investors to put down the big bucks long term and shift their supply chains here, it is because of these (((external factors))) that India factory of the world isn’t possible.

Ching companies also heavily moving production to ASEAN, chiefly Vietnam but Indonesia also, in order to juke any anti-China import duties.

Yes and No.
ASEAN countries most certainly will enjoy higher industrial growth than India their economies being more open than ours (they don't have so many local companies or capitalistic class like us which we have to defend from foreign ones). Their only focus is economic growth. So, global companies will produce everything there. Meanwhile our goal is self sufficiency, our goods will be mostly built locally by our firms.

There is a big factor, India's population and consumer class which will hold a bit of momentum here is large population and expanding middle class. Further, we have an edge in couple of high-end industries over SE Asia i.e. aerospace, heavy engineering and space industry. Consumption will always drive us ahead and we can also surpass ASEAN if we lift import duties after gaining self reliance. Our demographic factor remains for decades.

Since strategic factories aren't shifted rapidly or even shifted at all for many reasons, they will always remain in west and their eastern counterparts will always remain in Russia, China, India & Japan and SE Asia.

 

[Lonewolf]

Yes and No.
ASEAN countries most certainly will enjoy higher industrial growth than India their economies being more open than ours (they don't have so many local companies or capitalistic class like us which we have to defend from foreign ones). Their only focus is economic growth. So, global companies will produce everything there. Meanwhile our goal is self sufficiency, our goods will be mostly built locally by our firms.

There is a big factor, India's population and consumer class which will hold a bit of momentum here is large population and expanding middle class. Further, we have an edge in couple of high-end industries over SE Asia i.e. aerospace, heavy engineering and space industry.

Since strategic factories aren't shifted rapidly or even shifted at all for many reasons, they will always remain in west and their eastern counterparts will always remain in Russia, China, India & Japan and SE Asia.

I want to know more of these strategic factory , would you namea few

 

[Indx TechStyle]

I want to know more of these strategic factory , would you namea few

Aircraft parts, mostly military aircraft, engines, fuselages, rocket engines, supercomputers and so forth.
Over it, private firms manufacturing these and expanding consumer markets for it are expanding in few regions North America, Europe, Brazil, India, China, Russia and Japan only.