C-17 Globemaster III (IAF)

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Hmm yeah but the plane has proved its mettle over the years. Introduced in 74, still in production today, over 960 built, very versatile airframe (used for AEW&C & refueling tanker). I don't think there is something too worrisome. But yes Russia grounding their fleet (as they did with the MiG-29) is a matter of concern for sure.
 

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IAF has better Maintainance then RuAF,
so it never grounded Mig-29 or any other fighter When RuAF grounded them,
now will never ground them or any other plane as Russia grounded them,
IAF has history, they are the best, the Mig-19 Fighters beat the Best UsAF Fighters like Sabers,
we have or had best training or maintainance so only we could still run Mig-21 with out spares from Russia till now, and beat F-14 or F-15 A/B's
 

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India eyeing 10 C-17s

India eyeing 10 C-17s

NEW DELHI, Nov. 17 (UPI) -- India is negotiating the purchase of Boeing's C-17 Globemaster Heavy-Lift aircraft
in a deal with the United States that is estimated at about $1.7 billion.

India already possesses a fleet of 40 Russian-made Ilyushin-76 Garjaj transporters.

But experts and several Indian defense officials say that the inclusion of an entirely new bird to its transport fleet would boost the country's air force capabilities.

No details of the deal have been disclosed by India's Ministry of Defense. But local and international media experts say the negotiation centers on the purchase of 10 C-17 aircraft made by the U.S.-based Boeing, the world's second-largest plane maker.

While reports pegged the deal price at $1.7 million, analysts question the size of the discount that the United States could be offering to India.

Specifically, each aircraft costs $250 million and the U.S. Congress has authorized $2.5 billion for 10 of the heavy-lift transport planes for the country's air force. The plane, though, is an aircraft that the U.S. Department of Defense does not want to retain for domestic use.

In a joint-lift exercise, the U.S Air Force flew the Globemaster in India last month. The joint maneuver, in Agra, was intended to allow Indian defense experts to familiarize themselves with the plane.

A high-wing, four-engine, T-tailed military-transport aircraft, the multi-service C-17 can carry large equipment, supplies and troops directly to small airfields in harsh terrain anywhere in the world day or night, Boeing says on its Web site.

The massive, sturdy, long-haul aircraft tackles distance, destination and heavy, oversized payloads in unpredictable conditions.

It has delivered cargo in every worldwide operation since the 1990s.

Compared to the IL-76, the Globemaster is known for its ability to land in remote, lesser developed forward air bases.

"The C-17s advantages include its easier handling," Defense News reported.


The American-made transport aircraft, however, is three times costlier than its Russian counterpart.

Still, should the deal be finalized it would mark Boeing's second-largest deal with India after a $2.1 billion agreement for the purchase of eight P-81 maritime patrol aircraft for the Indian navy. That deal was clinched in January 2009.

Unnamed officials have been quoted as saying that the deal is part of India's bid to triple its lift capacity. That would be critical in stopping any Chinese advances.

India is also trying to challenge China's lead in building rail and road infrastructure that would boost the local economy and also mobilize troops and equipment swiftly.

"Indian military needs to do three things: augment its ability to quickly lift larger numbers of troops as it views possible threats on its border with China, strengthen its presence on the Pakistani border, and fight terrorism and low-intensity warfare," a senior Defense Ministry official was quoted as saying by Defense News.

India has already placed orders for six C-130 aircraft from the United States, the deliveries of which are due to begin in 2011.

India eyeing 10 C-17s - UPI.com
 

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Boeing is considering setting up it’s own training school to support overseas customers of the C-17 Globemaster III airlifter.

Nigel Beresford, the international business development director on the strategic airlifter program, says the feasibility of the scheme is currently being looked at by the company’s training arm.

Training for export customers of the C-17 is currently provided by USAF. The growing list of customers for the aircraft though has significantly increased demand for pilots and ground crews.

If the business case is approved the school could be in operation by 2014 offering training for pilots and maintenance personnel, he said.

“The school would provide our export customers with USAF standards of training. It may not necessarily be based in the U.S. though”, said Beresford.

“The ground school would include simulators and computer based training”, he said.


Australia, Britain, Canada, NATO and Qatar are all now operators of the airlifter.

The United Arab Emirates is expected to add its name to the list in the next few months when it completes a deal for four aircraft originally announced back in February.

Delivery slots in mid-2011 have already been identified for the UAE aircraft he said.

Beresford said that other states in the Gulf Co-operation Council had also expressed interest in the aircraft.

On the domestic front Boeing is waiting to hear the outcome of defense budget deliberations on Capitol Hill which will include a decsion on the number of USAF orders for the C-17 in the next financial year.

A likely order for between three and 10 airframes is expected before the end of the year.
 

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Centre okay with Boeing aircraft to replace ageing IL-76 fleet

Centre okay with Boeing aircraft to replace ageing IL-76 fleet

New Delhi: Keen on replacing the ageing Russian IL-76 transport aircraft in the Indian Air Force (IAF), the ministry of defence has approved in principle the purchase of the US-based Boeing's C-17 heavy-lift Globemaster III. The deal is worth over $2 billion.

"The C-17s have been short listed after IAF carried out a thorough study on its capability to take-off and land on short runways with heavy loads. The defency ministry has sent a letter to the US administration seeking a formal offer for these machines," highly placed sources on conditions of anonymity told FE. This development comes ahead of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's visit to the US.

Sources said the C-17 deal was discussed and cleared at a recent meeting of the Defence Acquisition Council chaired by defence minister AK Antony. The deal, likely to be inked in few months, will be discussed during Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's visit to the US.

Initially, the IAF will place an order for 10 C-17s through the US government's foreign military sales (FMS) route, and may later go in for a follow-on order, sources said. "For an FMS contract, the US administration, after receiving a letter of request from the MoD, will seek Congressional approval before making a formal offer."

"If accepted, the aircraft should be inducted in about three years after the contract is signed," sources added.

Most of IAF's transport aircraft were acquired in the 1980s and the air force is keen to acquire new generation aircraft to replace and augment its fleet.

The US ambassador in New Delhi, while pitching for robust India-US military ties, has reportedly said, "America is ready to support India's drive to modernise its armed forces."

India has ordered for six C-130J aircraft (from Lockheed Martin) for its special forces operations and these aircraft will be based at the Hindan air base in Ghaziabad.

C-130J Super Hercules is an American four-engine turboprop military transport aircraft made by Lockheed Martin capable of carrying 20 tonne or 92 fully armed airborne troops.

C-17 Globemaster is a larger Boeing-made military transport aircraft capable of carrying 75 tonne or 135 troops.

With Asia becoming a global economic engine, India's interests have surpassed her own boundaries to regions stretching from the Straits of Hormuz to the Straits of Malacca, the northern Indian Ocean Region, and to central Asia. The IAF plans to replace and augment nearly 100% of its fighter, transport, and helicopter fleets due to age and performance deficiencies."Demands...

Centre okay with Boeing aircraft to replace ageing IL-76 fleet
 

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QG that is the core Mission of a transport aircraft but it also have to give stratagic Air lift capability to the armed forces in order to deploy assest at a quick pace behind enemy lines or on the Forward edge of the battle field
 

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C-17 Heavy Airlifter Simulator Delivered


Greg Combet, the Minister for Defence Personnel, Materiel and Science, and Shayne Neumann, the Federal Member for Blair, announced today that the Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) will benefit from the achievement of a major training milestone for Australia’s C-17 Heavy Airlift Capability.

“The C-17 Simulator commissioning marks the start of aircrew training in Australia. From January 2010, RAAF C-17 pilots will undertake their training at Amberley instead of travelling to the United States (US),” said Mr Combet.

“The attainment of the C-17 simulator is another successful outcome for the C-17 Heavy Air Lift Project and further testimony to the cooperative relationship between the Department of Defence, the United States Air Force and its contractors.”

The Federal Member for Blair, Shayne Neumann, attended the ceremony accepting the simulator at RAAF Base Amberley.

“We are very proud as locals that the C-17 simulator will provide training outcomes which greatly enhance the support to Australian Defence Force operations and humanitarian relief efforts being provided by the RAAF C-17 fleet,” said Mr Neumann.

“The Simulator is a replica of the C-17 cockpit and provides realistic training conditions for all C-17 missions. Operational conditions can be generated at a wide variety of airfields in Australia and overseas,” said Mr Combet.

The Boeing Company built the Simulator in the US and installed it in the purpose-built facility at RAAF Base Amberley in Queensland, constructed by John Holland Group. The Simulator itself was transported to Amberley using two C-17 aircraft.

The Simulator is the centerpiece of the C-17 Training System. The complete system includes a Maintenance Trainer to be delivered in 2010 and a Cargo Compartment Trainer to be delivered in 2013. Australia is the only foreign C-17 operator to own a Simulator. The other 20 Simulators are owned and operated by the United States Air Force.

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http://www.defencetalk.com/c-17-heavy-airlifter-simulator-delivered-23085/
 

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Please let me know, Has IAF really chosen C-17 as its next transporter? if yes then how soon agreement will be signed?

Sorry for the same, as I don't have lots of time to go through entire thread.
 

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Please let me know, Has IAF really chosen C-17 as its next transporter?
Yes...
if yes then how soon agreement will be signed?
MoD has okay'ed the deal so the agreement will be done & dusted with very soon. Deliveries will start 3 years after the agreement has been inked.
Sorry for the same, as I don't have lots of time to go through entire thread.
I can see that... :lol:
 

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The IAF operates 25 Ilyushin Il-76s for military transport duties .so will just 10 C-17 Globemaster III enough to replace all 25 Il-76s. i know C-17 Globemaster III can carry much heavier payload than Il-76. but still just 10 C-17 is not enough :icon_salut:
 

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The IAF operates 25 Ilyushin Il-76s for military transport duties .so will just 10 C-17 Globemaster III enough to replace all 25 Il-76s. i know C-17 Globemaster III can carry much heavier payload than Il-76. but still just 10 C-17 is not enough :icon_salut:
Don't worry about it, once An-124-150 line opens up at Ulyanovsk, no one will be buying C-17. If you are looking for something a bit cheaper, Il-476 line will open up too. The only reason C-17 won was because our Il-76 line is closed until the new Il-476 line is moved from Uzbek's outdated facilities.
 

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Don't worry about it, once An-124-150 line opens up at Ulyanovsk, no one will be buying C-17. If you are looking for something a bit cheaper, Il-476 line will open up too. The only reason C-17 won was because our Il-76 line is closed until the new Il-476 line is moved from Uzbek's outdated facilities.
can you provide us with more info on Il-476 ,the aircraft specification etc ?
thank you in advance
 

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Harpoon Missile = $170 million
C-130J = $596 million
P-8I Poseidon = $2.1 billion
Now C-17 Globemaster III = approx $ 2 billion min. ( according to Wikipedia unit price is $218 Million )

India seems to be getting real cozy with USA. Russia needs to fund more in in it's R&D if it doesn't wanna lose more big chunks in future.
that is peanuts when compared to what we have bought from russians ,the sukhoi deal is itself of 8 billion dollars .we are just buying yankee stuff to keep them happy
 

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Don't worry about it, once An-124-150 line opens up at Ulyanovsk, no one will be buying C-17. If you are looking for something a bit cheaper, Il-476 line will open up too. The only reason C-17 won was because our Il-76 line is closed until the new Il-476 line is moved from Uzbek's outdated facilities.
It would have been ideal considering that the transport fleet has given us lesser troubles as compared to the fighter fleet. I always wondered why the An-124 series is not made into heavy military transport, retaining its airframe and design but with newer more powerful engines and state-of-the-art digital flight control systems, rather than the analog ones that are used till now. Most of the Russian aircraft especially heavy transport have good potential and sometimes even better than American ones but unfortunately, when it comes to comfort levels, Russians have to do more in this area.

I feel that once An-124 is thoroughly modernized, it might even have better sales than C-17s.
 

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I don't think it's fair to compare the C-17 to the An-124. The C-5 Galaxy maybe.
 

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An-224? That would be an overkill, even the An-124 has 25% larger payload than the C-5. I thought the C-17 was meant to complement the the C-5 & not replace it?
 

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about Il-476
MAK Ilyushin has developed a modernized Il-476 project with a new wing, avionics and engines with Perm PS-90A-76. The Il-476 or 'fourth-generation Il-76' will feature PS-90A76 engines, a glass cockpit and a further 13 to 17 per cent improvement in fuel efficiency. As of mid-2008 the Ulyanovsk Aircraft Factory was preparing for the production of a brand-new version of the Ilyushin Il-76, called the Il-476. The Ilyushin Il-476 is equipped with a full numerical flight-control system, a glass cockpit and a new-generation PS-90 engine. The factory will need to upgrade its equipment to manufacture the Ilyushin Il-476, as initially only 20 percent of the necessary equipment was ready. Fortunately, the Ilyushin Group had sufficient financial capability to organize the production.

Historically, the Il-76 aircraft was manufactured Tashkent Aviation and industry associations Chkalov. In Russia the role of a serial production final assembly was claimed Voronezhskoe aircraft association, although in recent years, cargo aircraft were not involved. The proposed corporation satisfied with the decision of all: the final issue of Il-476 will be at Ulyanovsk "Aviastar-SP, which has become a center for the creation of a transport aircraft. Voronezhtsy passing technological modernization program, becoming suppliers of critical components of the Il-476.

The restoration of the series production of transport aircraft Il-76 (Il-476 in the new version) was the first project which into some of degree demonstrates the new OAK industrial model. This step became practically inevitable after the resolution about the output of Russia from the Ukrainian An-70 project. In spite of the earlier plans for assembling Il-476 at Voronezh [VASO], Ulyanovsk Aviastar-SP, must become the center on the creation of special cargo fleet. For the program VASO goes to an important producer of components in the program, and VASO obtained a consolation prize in the form 5 billion rubles from OAK for technological re-equipping. The management of OAK made it possible to find arranging all solution and to divorce competitors on the different niches.

Moreover, into diagram of cooperation on Il-476 developed by OAK entered the previous final assembly plant for the Il-76 - the Tashkent production association of the name of Chkalov ([TAPOiCh]). The next step became the solution about the entry of the Uzbek tAPOiCh into OAK. It allowed the management of OAK to obtain political dividends, since was consistent with the Kremlin policy of the integration of post-Soviet space, and to also decrease the risks connected with the fluctuations of Ukrainian policy. The place of the An-70 was engaged by the Il-476, and instead of the regional An-140 the work now is done by the Russian-Uzbek Il-114. Instead of monopolies in the IL-76 tashkenttsy receive a stable order for spare parts and the role of supplier of IL-114 for government customers in Russia. In turn, Russian aviaprom not only expanded through the Tashkent aviation, but also solves the problem of the main turboprop liners for local airlines. Earlier this role, claimed the An-140, but Kiev in no hurry to respond to Russian proposals on the integration of OAK and aircraft concern in Ukraine.

The first IL-476 rises into the air in 2010 and during the year will be flight-tested. This project is very complicated because it involves the transfer of the factories in Voronezh and Ulyanovsk on a technological basis. Despite the difficulties, the project is implemented in accordance with established deadlines.

The first test IL-476 must be assembled to "Aviastar-SP" in 2010-2011, and by 2015, this machine should be completely replaced older versions. By 2015 OAK was planning to gather in Ulyanovsk least 25 Il-476s.


Il-476 CANDID
 

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IL 476 or C-17, we need to induct at least 30-35 of these birds in IAF to bolster our heavy lift capability with respect to our future needs.
 

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if AN-124 line opns up then probably india will go for it.....
 

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