C-17 Globemaster III (IAF)

[cobra commando]

NEW DELHI: Indian Air Force has initiated a proposal to purchase three more Boeing C-17 Globemaster III aircraft from the US for about Rs 8,700 crore, impressed as it is by the cargo carrier's varied utility that includes carrying out of large- scale humanitarian assistance operations such as the ongoing relief effort in earthquake-hit Nepal. The IAF has told the government that it wants to add three very heavy transport aircraft to its fleet of 10 C-17s that were ordered in 2011 and inducted in 2013, officials said. The IAF has pressed the case for three more C-17s after being informed that only five of the heavy lift aircraft are left for sale as the US defence and aerospace firm has closed down the production line, officials said. As per the 2011 contract, which was worth $4.7 billion, India had an option clause to purchase six additional C-17s over its order of 10 aircraft. However, a paucity of funds that hit the government in the past two years appears to be responsible for the scaled-down requirement assessment. The proposal will have to be approved by the Manohar Parrikar-led Defence Acquisition Committee. Once signed, Boeing will be liable to invest Rs 2,600 crore in the Indian defence manufacturing sector as per the standard offsets rule of the defence ministry. C-17 has proved its utility, which has used the aircraft in several rescue operations including evacuation of thousands of Indian citizens and others in Yemen.
Post-Nepal earthquake evacuation operation success, IAF to buy three more C-17 aircraft - The Economic Times

 

[salute]

The IAF has pressed the case for three more C-17s after being informed that only five of the heavy lift aircraft are left for sale as the US defence and aerospace firm has closed down the production line

so 5 left,then maybe india should buy all 5 as production line is closed,

because if they are proved so much useful to iaf then govt. should go for it,

yeah the financial and other things like availability of spare parts and dependency on america for it is there,

but 3 more now and then other 2 later,

its not fruit market,

its aviation industry,lets be a big country and buy whatever remaining as they are useful to iaf and india needs them,

as india is already buying 13 out of original contract of 16.

 

[Zebra]

http://asian-defence-news.blogspot.com.au/2015/06/boeing-eyes-sale-of-last-five-c-17.html

Boeing eyes sale of last five C-17 transport planes

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[Neeraj Mathur]

Boeing has only one C-17 Globemaster II left to sell

Boeing Co. has only a single C-17 Globemaster IIImilitary transport jet left without a buyer.

The company announced a deal this week to sell four of the massive aircraft to Qatar. The Persian Gulf state became the first Middle Eastern nation to acquire a C-17 in 2009 and the new purchase, announced from the Paris Air Show, puts the country on pace to acquire a total of eight C-17 aircraft.

Boeing is in the process of shutting down production of the C-17 at an assembly plant near Long Beach Airport after more than two decades. The first C-17 to take to the skies made its maiden flight in 1991.

The aircraft manufacturer first announced plans to close out C-17 production in 2013. Employment at the Long Beach plant dropped from roughly 2,200 workers at the time when the closure was announced to mere hundreds when crews completed the final “major join” of the aircraft, putting its major components together, in February.

As of Thursday, fewer than 400 union workers still have jobs at the Long Beach assembly plant, said Randy Sossaman, president of United Aerospace Workers Local 148.

Aerospace is not completely vanishing from Long Beach. Virgin Galactic has announced plans to build satellite launch vehicles in the city and luxury jet manufacturer Gulfstream is expanding its local repair and maintenance facility.

Nonetheless, Sossaman said Boeing employees who plan to continue working after the C-17 plant closes have had difficulty obtaining new jobs in their industry.

“We’d like to stay in the aerospace field. That’s what we’ve done for 30 years,” he said. “We know that we’re not going to make the same high wages, but we’d like to make comparable.”

Wages at the plant often exceed $35 per hour, Sossaman said.

Roughly one-quarter of the remaining workers at the C-17 plant will not be able to retire, said Sossaman, who included himself among them.

Sossaman is 53, leaving him just shy of the Long Beach plant’s retirement age of 55. He said he’s worried that companies don’t seem to want to hire employees within his age group.

“Give our workers the opportunity to work,” he said.

Workers at the Long Beach plant assembled 279 C-17s over the course of the aircraft’s production run.

Boeing delivered its final C-17 to the U.S. Air Force in 2013 and has since sold the aircraft to foreign air forces.

The manufacturer reached an agreement to send two C-17s to Australia in April.

Boeing spokeswoman Tiffany Pitts said the firm is not yet ready to announce its plans for the Long Beach assembly plant once C-17 production ends for good.
http://www.presstelegram.com/business/20150617/boeing-has-only-one-c-17-globemaster-ii-left-to-sell

 

[Abhijeet Dey]

I thought India was going to order another 6 of these C-17 aircrafts. So what now?

 

[Zebra]

I thought India was going to order another 6 of these C-17 aircrafts. So what now?

Easy,

Lets sing this song........

 

[Zebra]

^^

Published on Jun 17, 2015, by Salon du Bourget / Paris Airshow

 

[blueblood]

@Zebra, A-400M is ridiculously expensive piece of machinery and is probably not worth it. IMO India has four options apart from A-400M.

1) An enlarged MTA with payload capacity closer to 30 tons.

2) An-70, but it is pretty much dead.

3) Kawasaki C-2, operational and not as expensive.

4) Fund C-130Xl. Established brand and sales.

 

[The enlightened]

2) An-70, but it is pretty much dead.

We shoud co-develop it.............sort of......................just like Saudis are doing for their An-32 version. Ruskis aready sold transports to Pakis not to mention the attack helos now. Not to forget them having sold everything under the sun to the Chinks. So its not like we lose any leverage here.

An-70 is such a promising design.

 

[Neeraj Mathur]

@Zebra, A-400M is ridiculously expensive piece of machinery and is probably not worth it. IMO India has four options apart from A-400M.

1) An enlarged MTA with payload capacity closer to 30 tons.

2) An-70, but it is pretty much dead.

3) Kawasaki C-2, operational and not as expensive.

4) Fund C-130Xl. Established brand and sales.

1) would be my choice too

2) no further development

3) its as large as MTA and some testing failures increased the cost

4) i am not sure

 

[blueblood]

We shoud co-develop it.............sort of......................just like Saudis are doing for their An-32 version. Ruskis aready sold transports to Pakis not to mention the attack helos now. Not to forget them having sold everything under the sun to the Chinks. So its not like we lose any leverage here.

An-70 is such a promising design.

What you are seeing flying in China as Y-20 is most likely an Antonov design. Keeping that aside, An-70 has theoritically no use for its designer and hence making the project worthwhile will depend on India.

1) would be my choice too

2) no further development

3) its as large as MTA and some testing failures increased the cost

4) i am not sure

1) Touche, but lets see if Parrikar can kick the sorry asses of HAL and take this project seriously.

2) Agreed.

3) Open sources suggests that C-2 has nearly twice the payload capacity.

4) If feasible, then why not.

 

[The enlightened]

What you are seeing flying in China as Y-20 is most likely an Antonov design. Keeping that aside, An-70 has theoritically no use for its designer and hence making the project worthwhile will depend on India.

Its not that there is no need of An-70 but that there is more need of monies elsewhere (re: war with Russia). An-70 is an awesome design at an impressive price (third of the smaller A-400M). A joint-development with production in India would be awesome and given their dire economic condition, I fully believe it is possible. Much much better than paying Lockheed a couple billion for a new plane that'll take years to fruition and still come at an insane price/unit.

 

[SajeevJino]

India has enough number of Strategic Air Lifters, Lets keep them for another 30 to 40 years, with MLU's

and we can get a good Replacement after 2035 from Some Indian Private industry

 

[Abhijeet Dey]

Generally acknowledged as the largest airplane in the world, the single Antonov An-225 is the world's heaviest aircraft ever (maximum takeoff weight greater than 640 tons) and the largest heavier-than-air aircraft (in length and wingspan) ever entering operational service.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

India was originally going to buy 16 planes

http://www.indiastrategic.in/topstories1052.htm


India to buy ‘more’ than 16 C 17 airlifters

 

[Zebra]

India was originally going to buy 16 planes

http://www.indiastrategic.in/topstories1052.htm


India to buy ‘more’ than 16 C 17 airlifters

Sir, so why they didn't go for it...!

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Sir, so why they didn't go for it...!

Delivery of the indian orders will continue upto 2022

Us congress has approved 22 planes for india

2010-10 planes completed

20111 -6 planes completed 2014??

2012 -6 planes 2017-2022?? Proposed delivery

So far only 10 have been confirmed delivered.

 

[The enlightened]

Delivery of the indian orders will continue upto 2022

Us congress has approved 22 planes for india

2010-10 planes completed ??

20111 -6 planes completed 2014??

2012 -6 planes 2017-2022?? Proposed delivery

So far only 10 have been confirmed delivered.

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[SajeevJino]

Delivery of the indian orders will continue upto 2022

Us congress has approved 22 planes for india

2010-10 planes completed

20111 -6 planes completed 2014??

2012 -6 planes 2017-2022?? Proposed delivery

So far only 10 have been confirmed delivered.

Sir I think so far US Delivered all 10 planes to India, before the Schedule or may be one or two still being delivered ..

But the next phase starts only after 2017...!! that's why we didn't orders ..!!

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Sir I think so far US Delivered all 10 planes to India, before the Schedule or may be one or two still being delivered ..

But the next phase starts only after 2017...!! that's why we didn't orders ..!!

The original order for ten are complete. There were two orders after for six more each time?Possibly a few of the first six may have been delivered. Us was still taking orders for c 17 (Qatar) . I believe the whole order will be completed only a question of when?

Qatar To Procure Four C-17s

http://www.defensenews.com/story/de...15/06/16/qatar-to-procure-four-c17s/28811491/