Britain: How ignorant a country's population can ever get

[Bharat Ek Khoj]

If they apologize , credit will be given to this jihadi defender Sadiq Khan. Or may be UK just wants it that way.

 

[Villager]

Maybe, he isn't a jihadi supporter. Brits will not apologise anyway until they are made totally irrelevant in world affairs. They are getting little setbacks of brexit and being a puny nation but they still have their superiority complex.

 

[Bharat Ek Khoj]

^ ^ I concluded on following two tweets

 

[Villager]

There could be other explnations along with above but who knows. Still, what could be explanation for calling Brits to apologise by a London mayor. I do get that he isn't one of the more intelligent ones.

Don't know who Maajid Nawaz, had to google. Wikipedia says, " He is also the founding chairman of Quilliam, a counter-extremism think tank that seeks to challenge the narratives of Islamist extremists. He was the Liberal Democrat parliamentary candidate for London's Hampstead and Kilburn constituency in the 2015 general election."

The tweet might be displaying some personal bias and of event until 2006.

Maajid Nawaz seems like a case of misguided muslim who has given up radical Islamism.

Nawaz is a former member of the Islamist group Hizb ut-Tahrir. This association led to his arrest in Egypt in December 2001, where he remained imprisoned until 2006.
Reading books on human rights and interacting with Amnesty International, which adopted him as a prisoner of conscience, resulted in a change of heart. This led Nawaz to leave Hizb-ut-Tahrir in 2007, renounce his Islamist past and call for a "Secular Islam".

"I was radicalised. So I understand how extremists exploit grievances", He told The Guardian.

He also co-authored book Islam and the Future of Tolerance (2015) with American neuroscientist Sam Harris. Sam Harris is an amazing and genuine critic of actual flaws of Islam and Christianity. You probably know that already.

There are disguised Jihadi everywhere but there are also misguided ones. And this Tommy Robinson guy isne't the best person to listen before forming your opinion. Check his wikipedia too. He is too much obsessed with Islam, jailed over fraud and has been convicted for assaulting some police officer.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Robinson_(activist)

 

[Villager]

UK says Jallianwala Bagh massacre 'deeply shameful', avoids apology

LONDON: The UK has sidestepped London mayor Sadiq Khan's call for an official apology on the 1919 Jallianwala Bagh massacre, saying the government has "rightly condemned" the "deeply shameful act" in British history in the past.

The foreign office invoked former British Prime Minister David Cameron's views on the issue after Khan asked for an apology.

During his Indian trade mission in February 2013, Cameron had said it would be wrong to "reach back into history" and apologise for the wrongs of British colonialism.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Britain's colonial India hangover is nauseating
Reviving the dead threads and giving some soothing attention to Brits as Chandrayaan-2 is coming soon and they're gonna cry.
Have a good read.

 

[Icarus]

Various countries make fun of us because we rank low on HDI. That's the real issue. If there are millions of poor people and we send rockets, we are going to be made fun of. Not saying it's right, but that's just the way it is. If your neighbor is struggling to pay his bills but suddenly one day he buys an expensive car (thereby squandering even the little money he says), then you're going to attack him, right? it's human nature, nothing to do with Britain or India.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Various countries make fun of us because we rank low on HDI. That's the real issue.

We are actually among biggest HDI gainers in last 30 years. 0.64 in 2017 from 0.54 in 2014. Soviet Russia, Japan, PRC or Germany have been pretty low in per capita incomes in their times. Most great powers were.
Now, I'm not saying that it isn't important but stop doing everything else just for name of it is utter stupidity.
I mean you aren't depriving your people from your budget in anyway. Taking piss out of India's poor for every event is a result of deep rooted inferiority complex!

If there are millions of poor people and we send rockets, we are going to be made fun of. Not saying it's right, but that's just the way it is.

Our budget for welfare is not diverted in R&D or military. In fact, we haven't been able to spend completely what we allocate.
Our poverty rate has been declined by 85%, literacy up 25% per decade or a lot enough to list up. Science & Technology

Defence/Space aren't even fraction of our budgets.

We are successful because our investments are large and our budgets are large because our economy is large & things are cheap. Everyone understands it except UK.

Second, India is no longer having that much of poverty ratio. It's been doing more than enough given western sanctions.

Or just for what brits think, stop investing in R&D, a large population of educated youth will get their talents wasted.

After 50 years, when you "start" doing these things, you will become a bigger laughing stock for world.

If your neighbor is struggling to pay his bills but suddenly one day he buys an expensive car (thereby squandering even the little money he says), then you're going to attack him, right? it's human nature, nothing to do with Britain or India.

Do you actually think that British bash India for money spent? They can't digest a former colony's technological strides over them.

No other ountry posts desperately fake news of funding aid to India or being responsible for everything in world. That's why England and not Germany or France got a thread on this forum. Ever talk to British about War on terror, they'll be like they are even saving yanks @$$ from ISIL.

The article I posted if you bother to read is enough. It's not about India but with Britain. Because they have a perception.

Not only about India but with world. They have an obsession with India which is not found in any other country, even Pakistan. For reasons, they think they are in centre of world and India their largest colony is now re emerging.

India may get any kind of endorsements or change in image as India's itself changed a lot since 90s, and is getting actually.

British have a perception of us of a farmer with a turban and a cow. A perception that Russia still has to struggle in a one on one war with Britain or NATO losses any kind of influence without Britain.

Everytime their leadership visits any country in Asia, they are here with beaming faces while Asians are looking down at them. Because British have pride of perception, Asians have of their hardwork!
It's the perception they have been exceptionally taught to believe, not judge, same as that of their religion, it gives a complex of superiority and they are going to believe it forever. Forever!

England's hate towards India is same as that of its religion.

 

[Aaj ka hero]

Britain's colonial India hangover is nauseating
Reviving the dead threads and giving some soothing attention to Brits as Chandrayaan-2 is coming soon and they're gonna cry.
Have a good read.

Well they are already on the wrong side of moon since STATUE OF UNITY LAUNCH.
Total definition of mofuckers sit on them.
Really I don't want to use abuse but seriously they make me.
Common, they are the real fascists.
When you teach your children CHURCHILL WAS HERO and don't even pay a heed about tharoor bashing(I tell you tharoor will fondly be remembered only for that), forget bengal famine, responsible for creating terroristan and think that Britain can take on Russia(joke of their tea drinking scums).
Such abuse words come naturally.

 

[thethinker]

Britard media doing the thing that they do whenever they see some development in India.

That's rich! We gave £1billion aid to India as they built £330million statue

• Britain gave more than £1billion to India as it was built the world's tallest statue
• The Statue of Unity is almost twice the height of the Statue of Liberty in the US
• The 597ft giant bronze monument has been condemned as a vanity project

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ion-statue.html#click=https://t.co/HA4DWLdqAr

It seems that this aid rhetoric by the soon to be sharia-ed Britishstan is the Paki equivalent of "we have nukes".

 

[Compersion]

https://www.thequint.com/news/world...-in-india-independence-british-rule-churchill

Yes. Those Empire trade agreements are a case in point. It's because of them that the people of India and Africa, of all the colonial Near East and Far East, are still as backward as they are.'
[...]

‘You mentioned India,’ he [Churchill] growled.

'As a commonwealth, she [India] would be entitled to a modern form of government, an adequate health and educational standard. But how can she have these things, when Britain is taking all the wealth of her national resources away from her, every year? Every year the Indian people have one thing to look forward to, like death and taxes. Sure as shooting, they have a famine. The season of the famine, they call it.'

Roosevelt: 'You see,' said Father slowly, 'it is along in here somewhere that there is likely to be some disagreement between you, Winston, and me.’

'I am firmly of the belief that if we are to arrive at a stable peace it must involve the development of backward countries. Backward peoples. How can this be done? It can't be done, obviously, by eighteenth-century methods. Now–”

Churchill: 'Who's talking eighteenth-century methods?'

'Whichever of your ministers recommends a policy which takes wealth in raw materials out of a colonial country, but which returns nothing to the people of that country in consideration. Twentieth-century methods involve bringing industry to these colonies. Twentieth-century methods include increasing the wealth of a people by increasing their standard of living, by educating them, by bringing them sanitation – by making sure that they get a return for the raw wealth of their community.'

‘The look that Churchill gets on his face when you mention India!’

‘India should be made a commonwealth at once. After a certain number of years – five perhaps, or ten – she should be able to choose whether she wants to remain in the Empire or have complete independence.’

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it is always the most fascinating to observe the righteous in the darkness ...

within (the otherside) where the british had nearly everything. there was a meeting in USA (i believe) where churchill is told he has to accept india to be independent (it was obviously not the only reason).

how was this decided. more importantly, why were those words used. why were these words dictated and perhaps even made de jure. did it even happen. who were there and what was actually done and said.

not only credit ... but also admitting. slowly the rise (again) of bharat ... the perception of the preceptors. acknowledgements ...

i also like to observe a moment in time when a guru took the form of another guru to deceive the others.

taking a form of another is temporary and cannot be sustained for long. DNA testing ? Character traits ? (this is more relevant today to recent news) ... it is a reverse engineering perhaps ...

What is really underneat a thawb or thobe or hijab or even ...

i like to observe also a moment in time when the others favor the righteous. it suggests there is righteousness inside. like the light in the darkness.

even when the guru tells his subject what will happen he will lose everything and don't do it and still the person does it in favor of the righteousness.

I also have read that within the others the guru defeats them to impress upon them that there are a right path and right way of doing things.

the guru is even betrayed by the others.

the guru even has his wife and daughter of and from the righteous paths ...

not everything is good and bad its the grey we need to observe.

observations ... its time to awaken and wake up bharat !!

 

[thethinker]

Various countries make fun of us because we rank low on HDI. That's the real issue. If there are millions of poor people and we send rockets, we are going to be made fun of. Not saying it's right, but that's just the way it is. If your neighbor is struggling to pay his bills but suddenly one day he buys an expensive car (thereby squandering even the little money he says), then you're going to attack him, right? it's human nature, nothing to do with Britain or India.

The car analogy is wrong. Car is a depreciating asset.

Statue of unity will generate perpetual tourist revenue.

Source : https://www.livemint.com/Companies/...ty-sardar-patel-inauguration-modi-ticket.html

As for India sending rockets, other nations pay India to send their satellites due to this Indian space research . The global space economy will be worth $323 billion and India sending other satellites at a low cost makes it an attractive choice.

So unless the goal is to keep the Indian general population always poor and continuously appease them by free food and free facilities without any developments as such, such wrong analogy and criticism doesn't hold any merit.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

So unless the goal is to keep the Indian general population always poor and continuously appease them by free food and free facilities without any developments as such, such wrong analogy and criticism doesn't hold any merit.

Again India itself is an offcial donor of aid, not recipient. And when we charge, we charge for facilities we provide, not free lunches.
As far as Britain is concerned, their people are still lured by their past glory. So, they will make rhetoric claims or call everything waste, accomplished by any country if they aren't capable of doing same.

 

[thethinker]

Again India itself is an offcial donor of aid, not recipient. And when we charge, we charge for facilities we provide, not free lunches.
As far as Britain is concerned, their people are still lured by their past glory. So, they will make rhetoric claims or call everything waste, accomplished by any country if they aren't capable of doing same.

The aid narrative by the illegitimate children of Churchill is used for shaming based on what India does.

• If India sends space satellites, the narrative is that why do Indians still need UK aid.

• If India develops tourist spots, the narrative is that UK aid money is being diverted for frivolous purposes.

Either way, the propaganda is that India still relies on UK aid for its sustenance.

 

[Haldiram]

The aid narrative by the illegitimate children of Churchill is used for shaming based on what India does.

• If India sends space satellites, the narrative is that why do Indians still need UK aid.

• If India develops tourist spots, the narrative is that UK aid money is being diverted for frivolous purposes.

Either way, the propaganda is that India still relies on UK aid for its sustenance.

It's started going against them though. Every time they plant a story in their press claiming India used British aid to make weapons and space missions, their own people ask their government "...then why are you giving aid?". Then Indian people ask the same thing, and the British throne has no answers. The whole point of aid is that it ought to be silently laundered to the Christian NGOs without anyone raising a stink. Here they are themselves blowing their cover by disclosing their Naxal funding activities, and citizens from both sides are asking them to shut it down.

 

[thethinker]

It's started going against them though. Every time they plant a story in their press claiming India used British aid to make weapons and space missions, their own people ask their government "...then why are you giving aid?". Then Indian people ask the same thing, and the British throne has no answers. The whole point of aid is that it ought to be silently laundered to the Christian NGOs without anyone raising a stink. Here they are themselves blowing their cover by disclosing their Naxal funding activities, and citizens from both sides are asking them to shut it down.

They counter that easily by propping someone of same race/country to justify while silently controlling the narrative from behind the scenes.

In this case, they'd get a JNU jholachap to explain why India needs aid. This is how they dodge and weave and continue with their deception.

Below is a relatively old article but its the same tactic these people use. The author is a leftist liberal btw.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/feb/07/why-india-needs-aid

Why India needs aid
Praful Bidwai

Underlying the debate raging over British aid to India is the myth that the subcontinent's strong, market-driven growth of the past two decades has pulled hundreds of millions out of poverty. The economy is taking off; its people no longer need much aid, it is said.

In reality, since 1991, during which time India has experienced the highest growth in recent history, there has been no significant reduction in poverty or hunger. Two in every five children remain malnourished. A third of adults have an abnormally low body-mass index. Half of women of childbearing age are anaemic, a proportion far higher than in sub-Saharan Africa. More than 500 million Indians have no electricity, and less than a third have toilets.

Britain would be morally and politically wrong to terminate aid to India, home to the largest number of the world's poor. Giving aid not only acknowledges the injustice of colonial exploitation, it also arises from an obligation to redress the gross structural imbalances that continue to mark the world despite recent power shifts between states.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

They counter that easily by propping someone of same race/country to justify while silently controlling the narrative from behind the scenes.

In this case, they'd get a JNU jholachap to explain why India needs aid. This is how they dodge and weave and continue with their deception.

Below is a relatively old article but its the same tactic these people use. The author is a leftist liberal btw.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/feb/07/why-india-needs-aid

Why India needs aid
Praful Bidwai

Underlying the debate raging over British aid to India is the myth that the subcontinent's strong, market-driven growth of the past two decades has pulled hundreds of millions out of poverty. The economy is taking off; its people no longer need much aid, it is said.

In reality, since 1991, during which time India has experienced the highest growth in recent history, there has been no significant reduction in poverty or hunger. Two in every five children remain malnourished. A third of adults have an abnormally low body-mass index. Half of women of childbearing age are anaemic, a proportion far higher than in sub-Saharan Africa. More than 500 million Indians have no electricity, and less than a third have toilets.

Britain would be morally and politically wrong to terminate aid to India, home to the largest number of the world's poor. Giving aid not only acknowledges the injustice of colonial exploitation, it also arises from an obligation to redress the gross structural imbalances that continue to mark the world despite recent power shifts between states.

A simple answer is there.
First, British aid is insignificant and doesn't make any difference. Not even a fraction of India's budget.
Second, India's problems aren't because India isn't able to fund to solve them. We are having anual expenditures of $750 billions, our problems are there because they are deep rooted. Obviously, improvement is there but trends need time to change.

If Britain still wants to improve its moral compass, it should first correct its history textbooks defaming Indians and acknowledge masscare it committed.

It's annoying, first fund fanatics inside India creating unrests, give shelters to separatists from India, then, give credit to your funds if India makes any improvement in human development indicators or technology.

Those "aids" England gives to churches is in "millions",

the people India's lifting out of poverty are in hundreds of millions (imagine the amount of money needed),
population India's nourishing is more than a billion and

R&D & military projects we run cost "billions".
This mythical "aid" is too insignificant to be "moral" and Indian government doesn't take any aid. It donates, again.

 

[jadoogar]

This is just internal UK politics. The UK government provides this "aid" to buy what they think is soft influence - it is probably used for stuff like Brtitish Council, cultural stuff, NGOs etc. The UK media needs to embarrass the government and so these stories come out on how aid is being wasted in India when there is so much need at home in UK.

The murderous, genocidal lizard does not have these issues and can pump money into Venezuela, Aftica, CPEC etc -

Of course expect the wumao Haldi to get excited about it.

 

[Wisemarko]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/world/which-countries-get-the-most-foreign-aid/

It is pretty ridiculous to give aid when local population needs are not met. US does the same thing and people get angry- no wonder Trump wins. He was one of the first ones to openly oppose aid to Pakistan. Although, there are so many vested interests that such scams continue. Recipient country doesn’t benefit much either. US spent 42 billion a year on such aid in 2016! Obviously I don’t see any miraculous growth or improvements in any nation that received these large amounts.

 

[Haldiram]

They counter that easily by propping someone of same race/country to justify while silently controlling the narrative from behind the scenes.

Yes, they do.

If their initial assertion itself is made in bad faith, one can safely assume that all their arguments going forward will be based on white lies and manipulation.

While we are deflecting an onslaught of narratives from Britain, we have to work on building our own national narrative.

In the medium term, we have to shift the credit of India's liberation from Gandhi to Bose, and change our independence day from 15th august 1947 to December 30 1943, when Bose hoisted the first Indian flag on Andaman. Give due respect to the INA soldiers who participated in the freedom struggle.


Glad to see that we're moving in that direction.


In the long term, we have to wipe out Pakistan, because it is the last remaining vestige of the colonial legacy. It was created precisely to make sure that the West can keep a backdoor to keep meddling in Indian affairs forever.

As long as we are inching towards these two things, let the Brits bark how-much-ever they want.