BrahMos - Submarine launched version

[Yusuf]

Re: India Test Fires Underwater Version of Brahmos Missile

I found the below quote in WIKI really interesting when considering the fact that someone earlier had stated that the brahmos missile firing picture gave the impression that it was from a moving platform due to a slant ....

"The advantage of the cold-launch system is in its safety: should a missile engine malfunction during launch, the cold-launch system can eject the missile thereby reducing or eliminating the threat. For this reason, Russian VLSs are often designed with a slant so that a malfunctioning missile will land in the water instead of on the ship's deck. As missile size grows, the benefits of ejection launching increase. Above a certain size, a missile booster cannot be safely ignited within the confines of a ship's hull." :cool2:
Vertical launching system - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Having seen platoon test launches previously some times before the picture of Brahmos launches seriously raises doubts as they do not seem similair.
I mean there is only a deep ocean in the background in that picture with the deep blueish sea color that is normally found only further away from the coast as usaully nearby coast the water is a bit muddy. Raises questions about platoon right?? especially when the scientist who usually call a platoon as it is are now saying launch platform.

OR am i imagining things here??:shocked:

No it has to be a pontoon. India cannot risk a rest like this from a boat till the cold launch is perfected.

 

[vram]

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No it has to be a pontoon. India cannot risk a rest like this from a boat till the cold launch is perfected.

But thats the thing isn't it... Brahmos as a platform has been tested numerous times in all its avatars before. And am not sure if I remember correctly But wasn't the ship based one tested from the INS Rajput class vessel during the first cuople of times? We did use Live vessels then...

 

[sayareakd]

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wonder if they used S1 for these tests ?

Some Israeli bird once said that S1 was in Indian waters.

 

[Yusuf]

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But thats the thing isn't it... Brahmos as a platform has been tested numerous times in all its avatars before. And am not sure if I remember correctly But wasn't the ship based one tested from the INS Rajput class vessel during the first cuople of times? We did use Live vessels then...

Cold launch tech has been tested only a few times with the K15. Until they are 100% sure they will not fire from a sub.

We also need subs to be ready to operate the Brahmos.

 

[nrj]

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Pillai is not gonna get a submarine platform even to test missile.

 

[Bheeshma]

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Arihant is already available.

 

[Jagdish]

Missile tested

Big day! The sub-surface launched BrahMos supersonic cruise missile was testfired today for the first time. Here's the official statement from the team:

VISAKHAPATNAM: The submarine-launched version of BRAHMOS supersonic cruise missile was successfully test-fired at 1410 hrs on Wednesday(20th March 2013) from a submerged platform in Bay of Bengal off the coast of Visakhapatnam.


Creating history, the missile took off vertically from the submerged platform for its full range of 290 kms. Following a pre-defined trajectory, the missile emerged from underwater, took a turn towards the designated target meeting all mission objectives. All the telemetry and tracking stations, including Indian naval ships positioned throughout the flight path, confirmed the pin-point accuracy of the mission.


This is the first time that any supersonic cruise missile is launched vertically from a submerged platform. BRAHMOS vertically installed in a modular launcher in the pressure hall of the submarine will increase the 'offensive power' of the vessel without compromising on its 'defensive power' as the torpedo tubes can be fully utilised for defence. This new variant of the supersonic cruise missile will add more fire power to the Navy's underwater weapon delivery capabilities.


When contacted by Journalists, Dr. Pillai, CEO & MD BrahMos said that "BRAHMOS missile is fully ready for fitment in P75 (I) of Indian Navy in vertical launch configuration which will make the platform one of the most powerful weapon platform in the World."

Livefist: FIRST PHOTOS: BrahMos Underwater Variant Maiden Launch

 

[Jagdish]

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India tests underwater BrahMos missile, but has no submarine to fire it

NEW DELHI: The utter lack of long-term strategic planning in the Indian defence establishment was once again evident on Wednesday when the country for the first time tested the 290-km range BrahMos supersonic cruise missile from underwater.

The submarine-launched version of the missile was "successfully" tested from an underwater pontoon off Visakhapatnam around 2.10pm. BrahMos chief A Sivathanu Pillai promptly declared, "The missile is fully ready for fitment in the 'Project-75 India' submarines of the Indian Navy in vertical launch configuration, which will make the platform (submarine) one of the most powerful weapon platform in the world."

Defence minister A K Antony also chipped in soon after by saying, "It's a wonderful achievement and proud moment for India." DRDO chief V K Saraswat said it was "a significant step towards boosting India's military strength". Other defence scientists proclaimed this was "first time any supersonic cruise missile has been launched vertically from a submerged platform".

Amid all these gushing accolades, they however forgot to mention one critical fact: the Project-75 India submarines are nothing but a mere pipedream at present. With even the initial global tender or RFP (request for proposal) for them yet to be floated, the Navy will not get the first such submarine anytime before 2023.

"What's the use of having bullets but no gun to fire them from? Even if the defence ministry gets cracking immediately on the long-delayed P-75I, it will take three to four years to select the foreign submarine-manufacturer for technological collaboration. Thereafter, it will take another seven to eight years for the first submarine to roll out," said a senior official.

The BrahMos missile cannot be fitted on the Navy's existing fleet of 10 ageing Russian Kilo-class and four German HDW submarines, half of them in any case are fully operational at any given time. Nor can it be deployed on the six French Scorpene submarines being constructed in the Rs 23,562-crore Project-75 underway at Mazagon Docks (MDL) in Mumbai, under which the vessels will now be delivered in the 2015-2020 timeframe three years behind schedule.

Project-75 India, in turn, has failed to take off after going around in circles for several years now. The Cabinet committee on security will have to clear the RFP before it is issued because two of the submarines have to imported from the foreign vendor finally selected. Three will subsequently be built at MDL, and the last at Hindustan Shipyard at Visakhapatnam, after transfer of technology.

All this of course does not detract from the utility of the air-breathing BrahMos, which flies at the speed of Mach 2.8, as a "precision strike weapon". It has been inducted by some artillery regiments in the Army as well as a few naval warships.

The Army is moving ahead to induct three versions of the multi-role BrahMos, having already placed orders worth Rs 9,484 crore, over the next two-three years. Navy and IAF, in turn, have ordered BrahMos missiles worth Rs 3,568 crore and Rs 1,295 crore, respectively, as of now.

:: Bharat-Rakshak.com - Indian Military News Headlines ::

 

[lookieloo]

"...took off vertically from the submerged platform..."

Besides Arihant, which class of submarine in the IN has a vertical-launch-system?

 

[Yusuf]

"...took off vertically from the submerged platform..."

Besides Arihant, which class of submarine in the IN has a vertical-launch-system?

Kilos are refitted to lauch Klub missiles. I think they will be able to fire Brahmos.

 

[trackwhack]

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@trackwhack

Navy does not want offensive missiles in vertical launchers. They will use VLS only and only against ASW flying bodies as a act of survival.

Probably Navy's insistence is result of thinking that sub's co-ordinates should not be immediately compromised in case of adversary.

Sir, VLS in an attack sub is not just desirable but imperative. The advantages of vertical launch, safety aside, is the fact that we can have a larger number of active missiles. This test does not mean we are going to fit a first gen brahmos into a kilo or scorpene class (not even possible). Neither should our approach be to fit them in torpedo tubes as it would mean developing an entirely new system, which at the end of the day is a much slower delivery mechanism considering only 2 active missiles at any point.

please remember, that our future SSN's - the ones we intend to build ourselves must and will have VLS. They must and will be armed with supersonic attack missiles. thats what hunter killer subs do. those future SSN's will have bramhos 2 or 3 or a separate variant altogether but that work has to start now. and this test is just a part of that work.

a single SSN with 64 Bramhos 2 in 2025 can take out the entire scs fleet and reduce hainan base to rubble.

 

[Bheeshma]

Nope Klub is fired from 533 mm torpedo tube. Brahmos won't fit them. It needs vertical or inclined launchers.

 

[Payeng]

"...took off vertically from the submerged platform..."

Besides Arihant, which class of submarine in the IN has a vertical-launch-system?

none, but now we have a reason to build one.

 

[Payeng]

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The test is only the beginning. It has been fired from a pontoon. They real thing will be when it is fired from one of our subs. I think the missile will be more suited for anti ship operations than land attack when launched from a sub. It can be a carrier killer!

plus if you follow the relative development the k-15 look alike (externally) fire alike (same philosophy) now we have under water launch capabilities

for both SLBM and SLCM

 

[Payeng]

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@trackwhack

Navy does not want offensive missiles in vertical launchers. They will use VLS only and only against ASW flying bodies as a act of survival.

Probably Navy's insistence is result of thinking that sub's co-ordinates should not be immediately compromised in case of adversary.

its usual for any reasonable defence force around the world, you would want to fortify your defence before going offensive, not that the navy do not have a policy but requirement and capabilities plays its role.

 

[sayareakd]

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Nrj you have no idea, how much our forces want this missile, they even pre-deposited missile cost for the old version of the test. Reason no other weapon system is like Brahmos, simply because enemy wont even see it coming, when it strike.

 

[arnabmit]

3 Arihant Class subs armed with Brahmos & K-15 (till the time K-4 is developed) within the next few years... Is that not feasible? 1 sub is already ready!

By the time K-4 is developed, we would have 75-I subs as well.

 

[Illusive]

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India tests underwater BrahMos missile, but has no submarine to fire it

NEW DELHI: The utter lack of long-term strategic planning in the Indian defence establishment was once again evident on Wednesday when the country for the first time tested the 290-km range BrahMos supersonic cruise missile from underwater.

The submarine-launched version of the missile was "successfully" tested from an underwater pontoon off Visakhapatnam around 2.10pm. BrahMos chief A Sivathanu Pillai promptly declared, "The missile is fully ready for fitment in the 'Project-75 India' submarines of the Indian Navy in vertical launch configuration, which will make the platform (submarine) one of the most powerful weapon platform in the world."

Defence minister A K Antony also chipped in soon after by saying, "It's a wonderful achievement and proud moment for India." DRDO chief V K Saraswat said it was "a significant step towards boosting India's military strength". Other defence scientists proclaimed this was "first time any supersonic cruise missile has been launched vertically from a submerged platform".

Amid all these gushing accolades, they however forgot to mention one critical fact: the Project-75 India submarines are nothing but a mere pipedream at present. With even the initial global tender or RFP (request for proposal) for them yet to be floated, the Navy will not get the first such submarine anytime before 2023.

"What's the use of having bullets but no gun to fire them from? Even if the defence ministry gets cracking immediately on the long-delayed P-75I, it will take three to four years to select the foreign submarine-manufacturer for technological collaboration. Thereafter, it will take another seven to eight years for the first submarine to roll out," said a senior official.

The BrahMos missile cannot be fitted on the Navy's existing fleet of 10 ageing Russian Kilo-class and four German HDW submarines, half of them in any case are fully operational at any given time. Nor can it be deployed on the six French Scorpene submarines being constructed in the Rs 23,562-crore Project-75 underway at Mazagon Docks (MDL) in Mumbai, under which the vessels will now be delivered in the 2015-2020 timeframe three years behind schedule.

Project-75 India, in turn, has failed to take off after going around in circles for several years now. The Cabinet committee on security will have to clear the RFP before it is issued because two of the submarines have to imported from the foreign vendor finally selected. Three will subsequently be built at MDL, and the last at Hindustan Shipyard at Visakhapatnam, after transfer of technology.

All this of course does not detract from the utility of the air-breathing BrahMos, which flies at the speed of Mach 2.8, as a "precision strike weapon". It has been inducted by some artillery regiments in the Army as well as a few naval warships.

The Army is moving ahead to induct three versions of the multi-role BrahMos, having already placed orders worth Rs 9,484 crore, over the next two-three years. Navy and IAF, in turn, have ordered BrahMos missiles worth Rs 3,568 crore and Rs 1,295 crore, respectively, as of now.

India tests underwater BrahMos missile, but has no submarine to fire it - The Times of India

 

[sayareakd]

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Guys, this underwater Brahmos is great achievement, plus it also validates that India now has credible underwater missile launching capability.

Russians didnt help us in underwater launch, tech was taken from K15, Since underwater missile launch capabilities can be used to launch nuke SLBM, this tech was not shared with us.

Now looking forward to K4 and A5 container cold launch.

 

[Illusive]

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^^ we can use Arihant, cant we?