BrahMos Cruise Missile

[Tolaha]

re: New Brahmos Missile range 500kms

How would change/improvement in navigational systems result in an increased range?
I thought increase in range required changes in the motor/fuel/amount of fuel/weight etc!

 

[sayareakd]

re: New Brahmos Missile range 500kms

How would change/improvement in navigational systems result in an increased range?
I thought increase in range required changes in the motor/fuel/amount of fuel/weight etc!

it was always 500, but to stupid treaty called MRTC, it had cap on its range. Now think it like we have hacked into its computer and extended its range

 

[Patriot]

When USA can extend the range of South Korean missile from 300-500, then the international treaty has become useless and Russians have smartly refer to this after this news mention in the thread below

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...orea-get-longer-range-ballistic-missiles.html

Different rules for different class of people. Here goes the MTCR for a toss.

We have been really screwed because of it which has significantly delayed our cruise missile capability& space program development in cryogenic engines.

I bet now US is going to ignore this news. They are receiving lot of $$ from India & too many deals on the verge of finalization.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

re: New Brahmos Missile range 500kms

It has to do with the trajectory and modified Ram jet..

 

[sayareakd]

Different rules for different class of people. Here goes the MTCR for a toss.

We have been really screwed because of it which has significantly delayed our cruise missile capability& space program development in cryogenic engines.

I bet now US is going to ignore this news. They are receiving lot of $$ from India & too many deals on the verge of finalization.

it was blessing in disguise as we have master so many tech, GSLV third stage is still challenge for our guys but it is matter of time, plus we are at present in much better position to absorb tech then in 1990s.

 

[Patriot]

re: New Brahmos Missile range 500kms

Russian-Indian supersonic missile was almost strategic

.India has tested the modified supersonic cruise anti-ship missile "Brahmos", the newspaper "Izvestia". Unlike the base case "BrahMos" guidance system is used in the Russian strategic missiles X-101 and X-555. Updated test rocket developed jointly by Russia and India, have been found to be successful.
The guidance system of the X-101 and X-555 to the "BrahMos" duplicates already installed on the missile inertial-Doppler, and the correction is now manufactured and GPS-GLONASS signal. Thanks to this revision could significantly improve the accuracy of a cruise missile. The source said the newspaper, as a result of completion "Brahmos" now surpasses class short-range missiles, but a few did not quite live up to the strategic class.
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.At the core of the supersonic missile "Brahmos" is a Russian missile "Yakhont". Russian-Indian missile is capable of a speed exceeding the speed of sound at 2.5-2.8 times and hit targets at ranges of up to 500 kilometers (according to other sources - no more than 300 kilometers). It is widely used stealth technology. "BrahMos" is created in three main variants for land, sea or air.

 

[Defcon 1]

re: New Brahmos Missile range 500kms

These are two different things..

1. Selling a full fledge system ranges beyound MTCR

2. Selling a sub system which enable a system to archive such range..

By that reasoning, it should be possible for a nation to import all components of a long range missile separately and just assembling to build a long range missile. Since we do not see that happening, I believe that selling sub-systems which enable a system to achieve long range are also prohibited under MTCR.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

re: New Brahmos Missile range 500kms

Not every country have the capability to make such sophisticated Missiles and those who does dont have such good relations with Russia or other, PJ-10 is a Indian - Russian System and so it have this capability..

I believe that selling sub-systems which enable a system to achieve long range are also prohibited under MTCR.

 

[sayareakd]

re: New Brahmos Missile range 500kms

problem is that Russians did't share its engine tech with us, we have sufficent experience with solid engine of same nature, ofcourse we have very good look at engine and we can make long range engine, but we like our relation to continue, plus 1 mach long range missile is under development.

 

[sesha_maruthi27]

re: New Brahmos Missile range 500kms

So, if this time the chinese attack us it would be a rain of BRAHMOS MISSILES pouring from the sky for them.........

I wont be on the receiving end of the BRAHMOS RAIN FALL.............

 

[LETHALFORCE]

re: New Brahmos Missile range 500kms

S-300 violates MCTR but you never hear anything about it.

 

[sathya]

re: New Brahmos Missile range 500kms

sometime back, it was said bhramos can be easily re engineered to a long range. (exports control)

so we were honouring MCTR.. so far. i guess will do the same now..

Air launched missile have various range at various altitude , so may be that..

bhramos going 500kms eats into nirbhay territory ..

And lastly our proud DR.S PILLAI would nt have kept quiet , even if any version gets extended range

 

[Kunal Biswas]

re: New Brahmos Missile range 500kms

Its a interesting development, But i hope they do something about anti-ship version...

 

[p2prada]

re: New Brahmos Missile range 500kms

problem is that Russians did't share its engine tech with us, we have sufficent experience with solid engine of same nature, ofcourse we have very good look at engine and we can make long range engine, but we like our relation to continue, plus 1 mach long range missile is under development.

Russia transferred propulsion tech already. Two manufacturing facilities have been setup in India for the engines.

Before Brahmos we had literally Zero experience in RAMJET.

The Russians may already have started development of a 1500Km hypersonic cruise missile by now, for their own military. I guess it is a LACM to be used from ships and submarines.

This range of 500Km may be pure media speculation. Don't buy too much into it.

 

[p2prada]

re: New Brahmos Missile range 500kms

@Lethalforce

S-300 has nothing to do with MTCR. The Americans have exported the, even superior, SM-3 missiles for the Aegis BDM.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

re: New Brahmos Missile range 500kms

Ram jet technology in India is very old, Akash is one example of it..

 

[LETHALFORCE]

re: New Brahmos Missile range 500kms

@Lethalforce

S-300 has nothing to do with MTCR. The Americans have exported the, even superior, SM-3 missiles for the Aegis BDM.

Both of these systems are missiles that have a range beyond 300km. It can be argued
that they are defensive in nature so no violation or the superpowers are selling them so
it is ok?

 

[sayareakd]

re: New Brahmos Missile range 500kms

Before Brahmos we had literally Zero experience in RAMJET.

It is propelled by an Integrated Ramjet Rocket Engine. The use of a ramjet propulsion system enables sustained speeds without deceleration throughout its flight

Akash (missile) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Akash SAM system consists of an integral ramjet propulsion

Akash Surface-to-Air Missile System - Army Technology

Akash ramjet use solid fuel, Brahmos has liquid fuel ramjet engine.

 

[Bheeshma]

re: New Brahmos Missile range 500kms

The range of Brahmos was always in 500 km ball park. Now they are just revealing its true nature. The onyx and Brahmos are both based on Granit (P-700) which had a range of 550-650 km. Yes Granit was a lot bigger (10 m and 7 tonnes) but it was a missile of the 80's. The air launched version will have similar range but what we need besides Brahmos-2 hypersonic is a Brahmos-lite (1.2-1.5 tonne) supersonic air launched missile (200 km range) for Mig-29's/Mirage and LCA.

MTCR..what rubbish. Where was it when trident was sold to UK. When china supplied missiles and nukes to paki-s and noko's?

 

[trackwhack]

re: New Brahmos Missile range 500kms

@ sathya

We have no obligation to adhere to MTCR. Only the Russians do. The Brahmos was never a 300 km missile. Only fools would think otherwise.

I think the most significant thing here is that this would be India's first use of the GLONASS? If this system works well then Americas leverage through GPS based systems just took a major hit.