Attacks on Tamil Nadu fishermen by Sri Lankan navy

[Daredevil]

Sure India has the Leverage, more than what it needs- Money and Geography. Its just that the Govt is spineless and stupid (or both) to use it



Exactly- you got the Italians to plead by taking a stand, not by begging- thats what i am talking about.

Tell me, why will SL plead to us?. What leverage we have?.

 

[Mad Indian]

Tell me, why will SL plead to us?. What leverage we have?.

India dont have to make them plead but India dont have to beg either. At least the govt can form some mechanism for stopping this arrogance.

and if that does not work, make the IN and Coast guard to threaten SL. As i said, we have the Geography in our side. The life of the fishermen is worth taking a blockade on that stupid country and we have a well justified reason to do so-killing of our neighbors . As Karthik said, its about time we showed them, who is the boss here. You cant beg for Respect, you have to demand it.

Mexicans are not given free run on the US citizens by the US now are they?

 

[Daredevil]

India dont have to make them plead but India dont have to beg either. At least the govt can form some mechanism for stopping this arrogance.

and if that does not work, make the IN and Coast guard to threaten SL. As i said, we have the Geography in our side. The life of the fishermen is worth taking a blockade on that stupid country and we have a well justified reason to do so-killing of our neighbors . As Karthik said, its about time we showed them, who is the boss here. You cant beg for Respect, you have to demand it.

Mexicans are not given free run on the US citizens by the US now are they?

I would love to see a naval blockade but as you may already know, this is not feasible and disproportionate and moreover GoI wouldn't do it. That's the reality.

 

[Mad Indian]

I would love to see a naval blockade but as you may already know, this is not feasible and disproportionate and moreover GoI wouldn't do it. That's the reality.

Exactly The problem

 

[Adux]

Government of India, if they are not acting on deliberate provocations by Sri Lanka for whatever their reasons and at the cost of Indian lives, then only person who can do anything is Judicial establishment and Tamil Government itself.

Anybody who thinks one needs destroyer's and frigates to handle Sri Lanka, is a complete dud head. The moment Sri Lankan Navy engages Tamil Nadu Maritime Police? Does anyone know what that means? It is a automatic response by Indian Navy and Coast Guard. Government of Tamil Nadu can force Government of India to act. Then after that the matter will run its course.

Or more easily, we can try pressure government through the Parliment. I dont think Tamil Nadu hold's much leverage.
Sri Lankan should be very clearly shown where the bounderies are when it comes to Indian patient. They can kill all the Sri Lankan Tamils they want, but they cant be and will not be allowed to kill any Indian Tamil. It has to be made, exceptionally clear.

 

[Mr.Ryu]

Tell me, why will SL plead to us?. What leverage we have?.

Just go rough up some of their navy ship and call it an accident and continue until they buckle their pants and get out,

We do have some leverage Press release By INDIA

1) INDIA has done wrong by giving kachathevu and we will see how we can get it,

Actions By India

2) Put pressure on SLG by asking them to act on Human rights issue in every possible forum first convience Russia and China to back us Russia will if we use right pressure point China wont but atleast ask them to not support SL.

3) Use our RAW along with MARCOS for covert operation to sabotage their operation against Our Fisherman.

4) Cancel the Tea board agreement with them stop exporting coconut to the them other than INDIA import for SL is all far and cost consuming,Stop duty-free list of 300+ item, Stop wire cable and copper or atleast reduce from them and they will cripple.

look there are dozen of ways and 2 IAs officer appointed for finding ways to cripple SL will come out with great plan please dont under estimate INDIAS power.

 

[pmaitra]

Just go rough up some of their navy ship and call it an accident and continue until they buckle their pants and get out,

I would seriously consider doing that if I were in charge.

I'd like Indian Navy ships to go and ram or mildly nudge some of their boats and show that we really mean business.

 

[Adux]

Gents,

There is a lot of propaganda flying around, there are some from Sri Lanka, and there are some from our quarters of Tamil Nadu, where they want us to teach the Sri Lankans a lesson. We have to be careful here.

That said, It is imperative, we show Sri Lankans, their place. An Indian Government boat/Patrol Craft in an encounter with a larger or smaller of the Sri Lanka Navy Boat/Patrol/Ship will invite automatice Indian Naval response.

Tamil Nadu is not bothered about their fishermen , they want India to attack the Sri Lankans as some precieved revenge. Now, this mindless confusing of issues, is taking away the steam out of the fisherman issue. Which is particularly why New Delhi shows a stern hand with Pakistan and Italy , all the while is soft with Sri Lanka

 

[Mr.Ryu]

Gents,

There is a lot of propaganda flying around, there are some from Sri Lanka, and there are some from our quarters of Tamil Nadu, where they want us to teach the Sri Lankans a lesson. We have to be careful here.

That said, It is imperative, we show Sri Lankans, their place. An Indian Government boat/Patrol Craft in an encounter with a larger or smaller of the Sri Lanka Navy Boat/Patrol/Ship will invite automatice Indian Naval response.

Tamil Nadu is not bothered about their fishermen , they want India to attack the Sri Lankans as some precieved revenge. Now, this mindless confusing of issues, is taking away the steam out of the fisherman issue. Which is particularly why New Delhi shows a stern hand with Pakistan and Italy , all the while is soft with Sri Lanka

Can you please tell what you suggest for stooping the killings of our Fisherman ? If we are not going to take action against SLG for killing our civilians how can we expect GoI will stand against China if any misadventure by them ??

 

[Mad Indian]

1. The SL killing of Tamil fishermen is all but propaganda from TN to Punish SL for destroying LTTE . So please go ahead and close this thread:taunt1::bounce:

2. And also, IN will come to the plight of the TN police force if attacked by the SL navy, the same way the IN comes to the rescue of the TN fishermen

Nice suggestions from,

An out of mind Tamil:taunt1:

 

[Adux]

Can you please tell what you suggest for stooping the killings of our Fisherman ? If we are not going to take action against SLG for killing our civilians how can we expect GoI will stand against China if any misadventure by them ??

Ryu,

I am game planning on the premise that Indian Government is not coming forward to help our citizen's in some misconstrued and whack idea of geo politics, I am not condoning or agreeing with what GoI is doing, I am just brain storming, what will be the next option for Tamil Nadu Gov.

 

[Mr.Ryu]

Ryu,

I am game planning on the premise that Indian Government is not coming forward to help our citizen's in some misconstrued and whack idea of geo politics, I am not condoning or agreeing with what GoI is doing, I am just brain storming, what will be the next option for Tamil Nadu Gov.

Option for TN Govt, ? What else other than asking for GoI to react

Bro When Indians are killed by and International player it's GoI how has to act

 

[Adux]

Option for TN Govt, ? What else other than asking for GoI to react

Bro When Indians are killed by and International player it's GoI how has to act

They have been doing that to no avail, I was just thinking outside the box, on how TN Gov can take matters into their hands and force GoI.

GoI has been silent on the plight of Indian Fishermen near TN and even near Pakistan until sometime ago.

 

[KS]

I'd like Indian Navy ships to go and ram or mildly nudge some of their boats and show that we really mean business.

No need to even come in contact..even water cannons will do for those rust buckets. They will be non-lethal as well as making a point.

 

[KS]

Tell me, why will SL plead to us?. What leverage we have?.

Just make a point to them that the next time they open fire to shoot to kill fishermen even venturing near the IMBL they have to deal with ICGS ships rather than the fishermen's motor boats..Lets see if they come near the Indian vessels after that.

Also even if our fishermen cross the unmarked border line, who gave them the right to shoot to kill...sure they can arrest them and try them in a court of law as per agreed laws and conventions..Is that too much for India to do ?

I would love to see a naval blockade but as you may already know, this is not feasible and disproportionate and moreover GoI wouldn't do it. That's the reality.

Exactly...it would not do it..and the question is why ? Are the lives of the fishermen not worth defending ?

 

[pmaitra]

No need to even come in contact..even water cannons will do for those rust buckets. They will be non-lethal as well as making a point.

One has to have guts and political backing as well. See a tiny Soviet ship ramming a huge US ship:

 

[aerokan]

One has to have guts and political backing as well. See a tiny Soviet ship ramming a huge US ship:

u should have seen vietnam ship ramming chinese ship. It was beautiful

 

[p2prada]

Volatile ? Volatile means both sides indulging in hostilities against each other...This case its a one sided cold blooded murder of Tamil fishermen who incidentally also happen to be citizens of the democratic republic of India aka the emerging super power.

Volatile would include smuggling and other forms of crime apart from LTTE's remaining cadre and sympathizers living on the island.

No its not volatile, not after the LTTE has been done away for good three years ago. It's just the callous attitude of the Central govt on display.

It takes many years for calm to come back. Three years is not enough to a three decade old war.

No....its not complex...earlier the Sinhalas used to regularly kill our fishermen giving the LTTE excuse..but now they dont even give an excuse..they just shoot to kill even if the fishermen are near to the border....Even Pakistan doesnt do like that...

btw even in the case our fishermen cross the border..(its very easy to cross considering the border is unmarked and most of the boats are traditional boats with no modern navigational equipments) India being the sole big power in this region should stand up for its fishermen and make sure they are not killed by a rust bucket navy surviving on donations by Indian itself.

No. It is impossible for the situation to return to normalcy in just three years. It took, 10 years for the Kashmir valley to be peaceful and that too by placing 600000 troops in and around the valley. The SL LTTE issue was as complex as that.

Don't look at it emotionally, look at things objectively. Think about how the Tamils in Sri Lanka can benefit while there is peace. The attacks on fishermen will automatically reduce once you let the Sinhalese know you are looking for peace. We must start large scale trade with SL and have the SL Tamils involved in a big way. Once the Lankan Tamils move out of impoverishment, things will improve. Time for monkey tricks are over.

I can only wonder what would have been China's reaction if some puny country bordering them had killed 100s of its fishermen over the years. Perhaps they do have a reason why they are being touted as the next super power. They have the heart for it.

Read up on Cuba. Cuba threatened the very existence of the US. But they are living a life without interference from the US even with the hated Fidel Castro running the show. Cuba is doing very well irrespective of sanctions from the US. Heck they have a very high development index and match countries from Europe in development. The Bay of Pigs incident permanently fvked up US's ability to reign in that tiny island. The Rajiv Gandhi assassination and the subsequent IPKF action was our Bay of Pigs and Vietnam combined. We fvked up diplomacy from our end, quite like the US. Cuba is able to hold the Americans by their balls and for good reason. In 1999, the Cubans shot down 2 civilian American aircraft and the US could do nothing about it.

China has not been able to do anything about Taiwan for the last 50 years. They can't even manage two of their own provinces as well as you could hope a superpower would. Forget countries, heck monks are holding them by their balls.

Similarly, Sri Lanka has not yet exercised it but they can hold us by our balls anytime. They have the diplomatic advantage because of our earlier support to LTTE and their advantage of being the victor in this skirmish. Like I said, monkey tricks are over. We have to play by their rules and we have to give them a handicap as well. Stop using your knees and balls for thinking and we can perhaps find a solution that is acceptable to all else SL will find a way to keep all the advantages to themselves. The Lankan Tamils today are at a worse situation than what they were 50 years ago.

 

[Mad Indian]

Volatile would include smuggling and other forms of crime apart from LTTE's remaining cadre and sympathizers living on the island.

Justification for the sea to be volatile- Great:thumb:

It takes many years for calm to come back. Three years is not enough to a three decade old war.

Justification for the SL killings of our Fishermen :thumb:

No. It is impossible for the situation to return to normalcy in just three years. It took, 10 years for the Kashmir valley to be peaceful and that too by placing 600000 troops in and around the valley. The SL LTTE issue was as complex as that.

Justification for the SL killing of INDIAN Tamils with the LTTE war- Thanks

Don't look at it emotionally, look at things objectively. Think about how the Tamils in Sri Lanka can benefit while there is peace. The attacks on fishermen will automatically reduce once you let the Sinhalese know you are looking for peace. We must start large scale trade with SL and have the SL Tamils involved in a big way. Once the Lankan Tamils move out of impoverishment, things will improve. Time for monkey tricks are over.

Again Lankan Tamils in the TN fishermen Issue. NO problem just look down what you have posted, suggesting the SL tamils are worse off now than ever in the History of SL.

Read up on Cuba. Cuba threatened the very existence of the US. But they are living a life without interference from the US even with the hated Fidel Castro running the show. Cuba is doing very well irrespective of sanctions from the US. Heck they have a very high development index and match countries from Europe in development. The Bay of Pigs incident permanently fvked up US's ability to reign in that tiny island. The Rajiv Gandhi assassination and the subsequent IPKF action was our Bay of Pigs and Vietnam combined. We fvked up diplomacy from our end, quite like the US. Cuba is able to hold the Americans by their balls and for good reason. In 1999, the Cubans shot down 2 civilian American aircraft and the US could do nothing about it.

Comparing Cuba, a country which was a pain in the Butt for the US with SL, which cant even tackle its own problems until India stepped in its side- Good. BUt US also was not watching the Cubans butchering the Americans. If they had allowed the Cubans to butchered, please share.

China has not been able to do anything about Taiwan for the last 50 years. They can't even manage two of their own provinces as well as you could hope a superpower would. Forget countries, heck monks are holding them by their balls.

Comparing Taiwan, which has so many friendly neighbors to support it, Including the US marines stationed at Japan with SL which is at our mercy surrounded by IOR, which the Supah Powah Wannabe is Planning of Dominating completely is :bs:

Similarly, Sri Lanka has not yet exercised it but they can hold us by our balls anytime. They have the diplomatic advantage because of our earlier support to LTTE and their advantage of being the victor in this skirmish. Like I said, monkey tricks are over. We have to play by their rules and we have to give them a handicap as well. Stop using your knees and balls for thinking and we can perhaps find a solution that is acceptable to all else SL will find a way to keep all the advantages to themselves.

Another excuse for the spineless ness of the GoI to even lodge a formal protest with the SL. And you are the one leading the Thread on How India is going to be a Supah Powah. Also start a Thread on How the Supah Powah Wannabe India is Impotent to confront even SL which is at its mercy.

The Lankan Tamils today are at a worse situation than what they were 50 years ago.

Thanks for contradicting yourself again. LTTE is dead and the SLG should have rehabilated the Tamils now with the crores they get from India. But no. They have not and Tamils there are worse because the SLG is not committed for their development. But you suggest in your own post that SLG should be trusted for the rehab of Tamils there.


PS: Contrast your attitude with the attitude of the Intellects in The USA- You will know why they are the Real Super Power of the World and not just Supah Powah Wannabes

 

[aerokan]

Volatile would include smuggling and other forms of crime apart from LTTE's remaining cadre and sympathizers living on the island.



It takes many years for calm to come back. Three years is not enough to a three decade old war.



No. It is impossible for the situation to return to normalcy in just three years. It took, 10 years for the Kashmir valley to be peaceful and that too by placing 600000 troops in and around the valley. The SL LTTE issue was as complex as that.

Don't look at it emotionally, look at things objectively. Think about how the Tamils in Sri Lanka can benefit while there is peace. The attacks on fishermen will automatically reduce once you let the Sinhalese know you are looking for peace. We must start large scale trade with SL and have the SL Tamils involved in a big way. Once the Lankan Tamils move out of impoverishment, things will improve. Time for monkey tricks are over.



Read up on Cuba. Cuba threatened the very existence of the US. But they are living a life without interference from the US even with the hated Fidel Castro running the show. Cuba is doing very well irrespective of sanctions from the US. Heck they have a very high development index and match countries from Europe in development. The Bay of Pigs incident permanently fvked up US's ability to reign in that tiny island. The Rajiv Gandhi assassination and the subsequent IPKF action was our Bay of Pigs and Vietnam combined. We fvked up diplomacy from our end, quite like the US. Cuba is able to hold the Americans by their balls and for good reason. In 1999, the Cubans shot down 2 civilian American aircraft and the US could do nothing about it.

China has not been able to do anything about Taiwan for the last 50 years. They can't even manage two of their own provinces as well as you could hope a superpower would. Forget countries, heck monks are holding them by their balls.

Similarly, Sri Lanka has not yet exercised it but they can hold us by our balls anytime. They have the diplomatic advantage because of our earlier support to LTTE and their advantage of being the victor in this skirmish. Like I said, monkey tricks are over. We have to play by their rules and we have to give them a handicap as well. Stop using your knees and balls for thinking and we can perhaps find a solution that is acceptable to all else SL will find a way to keep all the advantages to themselves. The Lankan Tamils today are at a worse situation than what they were 50 years ago.

In my opinion, world war 1 is more complex than SL issue. So by your logic, the world should have let the nazi germany run free for killing their jewish german citizens and jewish citizens in neighbouring countries. Ohh wait.. when that happened why did the world go to war against nazis instead of sympathizing with them for being humiliated by the world war 1 ending treaty???

Show too much sympathy and you will end up creating a monster in your backyard. With SL, All kinds of diplomacy and goodwill is workable only when they atleast consider all their citizens equal and most importantly when they stop killing the citizens of a neighbouring country for flimsy reasons without a trail. If a citizen or two of US, Russia or China is killed by the army of a tiny country, would these countries not take action, let alone be silent???

IPKF was sent to Lanka on the request of SL. They didn't go voluntarily. Also U talk abt Cuba like they killed the American civilians without much of a reason. . Do u know how many times CIA attempted the killing of Castro by covert means?? I didn't see the Indian govt. even voicing a dissent to the SL govt let alone our RAW trying assasination of the heads of SL. Any country should not mess with a soverign nation. But if u mess with the citizens of our country, the response should be overwhelming, not chicken out. That will only encourage them more to be more arrogant.