Attacks on Tamil Nadu fishermen by Sri Lankan navy

[Tshering22]

in my view, this conflict resolution should be done in a phased manner.

1) our fisherman who is getting into conflict areas should be identified.
2) they should be encouraged to form co-operative of sorts
3) those co-operatives should be given low-interest loans to buy bigger vessels that can go deeper into the sea to catch bigger quantity and quality

Once de-escalation happens over a period of time, increase diplomatic pressure on SL, because they will be in the wrong continuously.

Look at this:


Our state government is not very rich but we have a small-scale freshwater fish farming program that has benefitted our villagers in Sikkim immensely. There are hamlets that are entirely benefitting from exporting and trading in trout farming.

Being a Himalayan state, we have limited options compared to our brothers down south that have the entire ocean. Also, the Tamil Nadu state government is exponentially more wealthy than our government is. The fishing community also forms a massive vote bank that can easily make the government bend to their whims.

This is a video of fish farming being done in the Canary Islands and some of the Pacific Ocean countries to ensure that over-fishing does not erode the local marine life.

Given the rich maritime culture in Tamil Nadu, how hard is it for the state government to form a cooperative bank to fish farm essential fish and crustacean breeds in the shallow seas?

Subsistence fishing has already eroded so much marine life on our shores that it is making our fisherfolk do the same thing that we curse the Chinese for in the Philippines. How different are we from China if we don't solve this problem for our people and ensure not making another permanent enemy?

 

[MIDKNIGHT FENERIR-00]

it depends, does ruchir sharma knows what happens on seas between SL and TN !! does he know how TN fishermen try to mob SL fishermen, and vice versa.

India must protect Indian fishermen. If BJP wants to show that it cares about Tamils they must show strength against the Sri Lankans. Sri Lankans aren’t innocent they have attacked and killed many Tamil fishermen in brutal manner like it’s a sport for them. Arresting is fine but murdering them in cold blood is unacceptable.

 

[Tshering22]

India must protect Indian fishermen. If BJP wants to show that it cares about Tamils they must show strength against the Sri Lankans. Sri Lankans aren’t innocent they have attacked and killed many Tamil fishermen in brutal manner like it’s a sport for them. Arresting is fine but murdering them in cold blood is unacceptable.

The center is faced with a conundrum here:

a) Stop the whole Tamil regional identity politics by securing BJP elections for the future by flattening Lanka and ensuring that Lankans provide China a military base to secure their future in their heartland.

OR

b) Take out SLN covertly while risk pressuring state government to create funds for starting fish farming for Tamil fisherfolk - further allowing Tamil politicians to play the "center being a tyrant against Tamils" narrative. Tamil identity politics is a specialty of the state since its politicians don't have any other issue to raise at all except identity at this point; TN is an industrialized state, people are well educated, the state is far better than most other Indian states (not the best but still among the most developed), etc. That leaves only identity politics to capitalize on.


What do you think is going to happen here.

 

[Suryavanshi]

We are being insensetive to our Tamil brothers here, we handle NE issues with great care but give shallow treatment to TN.
This kind of attitude leads to resentment against the Union, TN maybe feeling like it's getting the orphan kid treatment from the government. People who do not belong to TN coast were very eager to get to a agreement that they trampled Interest and well being of Coastal people. Result being parliament has one less issue to bother about but the Fisherman have to face the brunt of the agreement.
There is something need to be done about this and We must tower over the Lanakans this time.
And what's Tamil Fisherman? It's Indian fisherman they come under the protection of coast guard and Trident.

Remeber family first and foremost, no amount of diplomacy will come over the pain of our brothers.

 

[Tshering22]

We are being insensetive to our Tamil brothers here, we handle NE issues with great care but give shallow treatment to TN.
This kind of attitude leads to resentment against the Union, TN maybe feeling like it's getting the orphan kid treatment from the government. People who do not belong to TN coast were very eager to get to a agreement that they trampled Interest and well being of Coastal people. Result being parliament has one less issue to bother about but the Fisherman have to face the brunt of the agreement.
There is something need to be done about this and We must tower over the Lanakans this time.
And what's Tamil Fisherman? It's Indian fisherman they come under the protection of coast guard and Trident.

Remeber family first and foremost, no amount of diplomacy will come over the pain of our brothers.
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I agree.

Family first always.

But we also need to find a permanent solution for helping our fishermen. Educating them about sustainable fish farming and financing their projects is the only way.

 

[Love Charger]

We are being insensetive to our Tamil brothers here, we handle NE issues with great care but give shallow treatment to TN.
This kind of attitude leads to resentment against the Union, TN maybe feeling like it's getting the orphan kid treatment from the government. People who do not belong to TN coast were very eager to get to a agreement that they trampled Interest and well being of Coastal people. Result being parliament has one less issue to bother about but the Fisherman have to face the brunt of the agreement.
There is something need to be done about this and We must tower over the Lanakans this time.
And what's Tamil Fisherman? It's Indian fisherman they come under the protection of coast guard and Trident.

Remeber family first and foremost, no amount of diplomacy will come over the pain of our brothers.
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We should arm our fishermen , give 1 Carl Gustav for two boats , so our fishermen can take care of lankans at will.

 

[Love Charger]

When fishermen come back from the sea , take the weapons back and account for every round used etc , when they go back then gib back the Carl Gustav's and ammo.

 

[Haldilal]

There are two steps that need to be done to resolve this:

1. Set up a common pool trust fund that raises capital along the lines of a cooperative bank to help fishermen start learning and adopting fish farming techniques. This includes setting up costs for fish farms, training fishermen, and securing the fish eggs, in small shallow localities alongside the coastal belt. The interest rates of these banks have to be decided only by the collective TN fishermen's association in combination with the TN state government so as to eliminate factional politicking later.
   • Uttarakhand has freshwater fish farms that have had tremendous success and has reaped rich dividends for the rural populations; don't see why TN can't have such a program for marine pisciculture.
2. Take down a few Lankan Navy personnel and then deny having done it so that the Rajapaksas can't play politics over it. Do it a few times until they feel the heat we feel and stop this. Sink a few SLN gunboats in retaliation
3. Start putting conditions on LoCs that ensure that our fishermen don't get killed.

These will be long-term programs, but unless our fishermen learn to farm sustainably, this nonsense will keep fueling local politics.

This has to be a two-way response. Just sinking Lankan ships won't solve anything and at the same time appeasing their terror tactics will not be good.

Lanka is not the enemy but we cannot let them kill our countrymen with impunity. That's plain wrong!

Ya'll Nibbiars we have the first systems since 70's that why many have this Trawlers. But if you want the western ones it would be extremely costly.

 

[Haldilal]

Ya'll Nibbiars most of the memebers here get wrong about many things.

1 . We alreday have co operative for the Fisherman's without interest loans.

2 . There are Trawlers which capable if going to the near oceans.

3 . But not all regions are rich in resources.

4 . The region that is in question is reach in resources.

5 . Due to it's proximity they fish there.

6 . Most of the fishermen considered that territory to be Indian dispute the Indira bad decision of simply gifting it to the Sri Lanka.

7 . Most of the Local Politicians support them.

8 . It's has become a matter of larger scales.

9 . Most ot the memebsr are unable to understand this.

10 . And also the proximity helps to reduce the timing to reach.

11 . And also helps to reduce the fuel cost which is now sky rocketeds.

 

[Love Charger]

Ya'll Nibbiars most of the memebers here get wrong about many things.

1 . There are Trawlers which capable if going to the near oceans.

2 . But not all regions are rich in resources.

3 . The region that is in question is reach in resources.

4 . Due to it's proximity they fish there.

5 . Most of the fishermen considered that territory to be Infian dispute the Indira bad decision of simply gifting it to the Sri Lanka.

6 . Most of the Local Politicians support them.

7 . It's has become a matter of larger scales.

8 . Most ot the memebsr are unable to understand this.

The small fears the large , Lankans should fear our might.

 

[spiritb2]

1974 Katchatheevu Agreement made Indian EEZ along southern Tamilnadu even shorter. This particular agreement made fisherman from most southern part of tamilnadu to go and fish in now srilankan waters(near katchatheevu) as it is resource rich area & as they have only a small area to fish, bone of contention between both sides fisherman arises here.

Ceding katchatheevu to srilanka in mid 1970's without thinking about reprecussions put us in this situation now.

 

[Holy Triad]

Dude do you even know what the issue here or trying to insert redpill here?

Given the rich maritime culture in Tamil Nadu, how hard is it for the state government to form a cooperative bank to fish farm essential fish and crustacean breeds in the shallow seas?

I must say this line triggered me,despite that I'll try to respond in a polite way,not for you but for other members here.

So the stupid central gormint idiotically sold the sovereign piece of land called katchatheevu,which shrank the Maritime border


The island used to be a part of the Ramnad Kingdom which existed in Madurai district of India. Later, with British rule on the Indian subcontinent, the island became part of the Madras Presidency.[1]

Ownership of the island was controversial up until 1974 as during the British rule, the island was administered by both countries. India then recognized equal ownership with Sri Lanka. The legality of the transfer was challenged in the Indian Supreme Court since the recognizing was not ratified by the Indian Parliament. This recognition of an island that is culturally important to fishermen of Tamil Nadu state in India has led to some agitations by Tamil Nadu politicians that it should be claimed to Indian sovereignty. The island is also important for fishing grounds used by fishers from both countries.

Katchatheevu - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Lemme ask you this, Central gormint create a mess n the state gormint n the ppl clean up the mess...

Wow watta logic

people and ensure not making another permanent enemy?

You can dunk on your own people but worried about foren country which is already simping for chinks


Another wonderful logic

Stop the whole Tamil regional identity politics

Asking the central why you sold our piece of land is Regional identity politics?

Another gem of an logic...

Tamil fisherfolk - further allowing Tamil politicians to play the "center being a tyrant against Tamils" narrative

First the state gormint is responsible for the mess

Then the identity politics is the reason


Now the fisher folks

Isn't it selling your own land with out the support of the respective state amount for tyranny?

I agree.

Family first always.

But we also need to find a permanent solution for helping our fishermen. Educating them about sustainable fish farming and financing their projects is the only way.

Do you think ppl here are dumb to resolve the issue at hand?

If you don't wanna support the that's fine but bring up the idiotic "education n financing" crap



Lemme be clear,what happens if central expanded The sl waters again,

Where do they do their fish farming?

This is not some "lack of fishing tech issue"

 

[Holy Triad]

Just curious why people always tried to dump it under temil identity or temil politicians?


Why none of critics doesn't even bothered to Mention indira or katchatheevu?


Is this agenda motivated

Im genuinely curious

 

[Holy Triad]

We are being insensetive to our Tamil brothers here, we handle NE issues with great care but give shallow treatment to TN.
This kind of attitude leads to resentment against the Union, TN maybe feeling like it's getting the orphan kid treatment from the government. People who do not belong to TN coast were very eager to get to a agreement that they trampled Interest and well being of Coastal people. Result being parliament has one less issue to bother about but the Fisherman have to face the brunt of the agreement.
There is something need to be done about this and We must tower over the Lanakans this time.
And what's Tamil Fisherman? It's Indian fisherman they come under the protection of coast guard and Trident.

Remeber family first and foremost, no amount of diplomacy will come over the pain of our brothers.
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I genuinely thank you and others for showing sensibility while others going in the opposite direction.

Hope ppl understand we just want to reclaim the lost indian maritime border to India...

 

[Knowitall]

We are being insensetive to our Tamil brothers here, we handle NE issues with great care but give shallow treatment to TN.
This kind of attitude leads to resentment against the Union, TN maybe feeling like it's getting the orphan kid treatment from the government. People who do not belong to TN coast were very eager to get to a agreement that they trampled Interest and well being of Coastal people. Result being parliament has one less issue to bother about but the Fisherman have to face the brunt of the agreement.
There is something need to be done about this and We must tower over the Lanakans this time.
And what's Tamil Fisherman? It's Indian fisherman they come under the protection of coast guard and Trident.

Remeber family first and foremost, no amount of diplomacy will come over the pain of our brothers.
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Exactly.

It boggles my mind when I think how a national security issue became a Tamil fisherman issue mired with local politics.

My statement on Indian lives from a govt perspective holds strong.

We civilians are statistics our deaths a form of political mileage or inconvenience depending on the situation. Our lives only matter if we die in droves or there is a election nearby.

Uneducated useless good for nothing Buffons who are nothing but a waste of oxygen end up getting z plus security along with various amenities.

Should throw our politicians in a boat and send them to Sri Lanka we can also pay them up front to do maximum damage.

In the end Tamilians are Indians and a attack of an Indian is a attack on India. It's that simple.

 

[Haldilal]

Exactly.

It boggles my mind when I think how a national security issue became a Tamil fisherman issue mired with local politics.

My statement on Indian lives from a govt perspective holds strong.

We civilians are statistics our deaths a form of political mileage or inconvenience depending on the situation. Our lives only matter if we die in droves or there is a election nearby.

Uneducated useless good for nothing Buffons who are nothing but a waste of oxygen end up getting z plus security along with various amenities.

Should throw our politicians in a boat and send them to Sri Lanka we can also pay them up front to do maximum damage.

In the end Tamilians are Indians and a attack of an Indian is a attack on India. It's that simple.

Ya'll Nibbiars It's all due to the Indiars. But some members simply dusting this under the carpet. Without even thinking anythings.

 

[Holy Triad]

I agree.

Family first always.

But we also need to find a permanent solution for helping our fishermen. Educating them about sustainable fish farming and financing their projects is the only way.

@ezsasa im genuinely disappointed you agreeing to his vague suggestion.
Do you genuinely think its lack of tech issue?

For the arguments sake lets say they adapt these technics then do you think this problem will go away?


I can understand the Lack of support/sympathy in this issue but i can't stomach these condescending elitist advice and "temil identity crisis" comment.

 

[Haldilal]

Ya'll Nibbiars many members wouldn't even knew about the Sri Lanka barbarity and the SLN corruption and lack of discipline. Many memeber wouldn't even knew that the SLN is the biggest drugs peddler in the Indian Sub continents. This is just a Hogh wash. The Sri Lankan attitude towards the Tamilans is extremely bad.

And here some memebers talking about technology. It's a larger issues.

 

[Knowitall]

I agree.

Family first always.

But we also need to find a permanent solution for helping our fishermen. Educating them about sustainable fish farming and financing their projects is the only way.

What you are basically saying is.

Since we are getting our ass whopped by a tiny Sri Lanka and our govt is too cucked to actually respond to their unwarranted aggression we must ask our fisherman to change their ways even though they absolutely did nothing wrong while spending extra money of tax payers to finance projects just to appease the lankans who are in the wrong here.

And mind you this Sri Lanka came to us begging for aid a few days back.

UNSC seat and all this regional power nonsense is not for us. Myanmar can send in refugees Sri Lanka can fuck with us and we want to deal with global issues lol.

 

[Knowitall]

Ya'll Nibbiars many members wouldn't even knew about the Sri Lanka barbarity and the SLN corruption and lack of discipline. Many memeber wouldn't even knew that the SLN is the biggest drugs peddler in the Indian Sub continents. This is just a Hogh wash. The Sri Lankan attitude towards the Tamilans is extremely bad.

And here some memebers talking about technology. It's a larger issues.

I'm not sure if you have heard of this before but one of the common stories in TN was about Sri lankan navy arresting and killing our fisherman when India used to defeat Sri Lanka in cricket.

That is the amount of leeway we have given this tiny island.