Aryan Invasion Hypothesis

[Pratap]

Dude seriously go through the entire thread and "then" ask these questions. All your questions have been already answered and we are tired.

We are not replying to post out of lack of arguments but rather due to lack of interst in this stupid theory

If you are tired, then rest and believe in OIT . Karunanidhi believes in Lemuria theory, Dalit supremacists believe in Afro Dalit theory and you are free to believe in OIT . An age where world accepted theory is called stupid theory and a man( I mean myself) who just tells that AIT is correct is attacked is indeed a bad age.

 

[Pratap]

panchmakar is of very late origin and associated with Koulik and Vam school where Mans , matsya, madira. maithuna etc are nothing but yogic rituals of higher order. For example Maithuna is nothing but firstly the two brathing nadies getting together and Kundalinin (Shakti) meeting the shiva. Now which sadhana schools do not have those practices.








Abhinava Gupta was the most profound Shiva / Tantric sholar who expounded in grater deatails the tanets of Trik school of Shaivism and wrote many profound treaties of Trika school philosophy as as Spand Karika etc. I have not heard of his specific theory proprogating sex only tantra . Since he was a accomplished koulic, he could have . But a reference is needed.




I assure you that there is no pornography at Ranakpur or Mount Abu jain temples. The schools of Vajrayan do propagate sex as a natural act and why should not they.




Tall statement and claims ... johney's head in air..

If tantrism is closely associated with anything that is Shaivism and Shakt margas of upasana. We shall leave it that lest the thread become sexual ....

Read John Woodrofe but since you say that " History is what I believe in" any further debate is useless.

 

[Pratap]

@Virendra

That is not what they "were" doing initially. But gradually and moreso lately, that is what they "are" trying to do.

No they are not and even if they are , it is beyond illogical and height of stupidity. How can Russians claim Shapur as their own emperor and Firdowsi as Russian?

Yes they were owning the savages as one of their old branches, which they then had a duty to rule and civilize. That is how they tried to justify colonial occupation.

This was crank theory by some British and we have moved beyond that. The thing is that vedic age white skinned people were regarded as savages by British not just 19th century Indians.

Not white heritage but a European/Western one. If you can't find yourself in a family photo, you say that you're the grandpa of one of the oldies in that photo.

Where is the quote from any professor that Sanskrit is European or western heritage? You are wrong if you think that whites can not find themselves in" family photo". The Greek and Hittite are almost as much old as Sanskrit and Greek in pre Christian times has wonderful literature.

Should ask them.

This is no answer and it kills all conspiracy theories.

This battle isn't just about Sanskrit anymore. I'm sure you've heard of the so called PIE. They're not saying "We created Sanskrit" but that "We created the ancestor of Sanskrit at our own lebensraum. What you created is only a by-product or one of the children. So we're still your Grandpa".
That is what I mean by the efforts of owning Sanskrit.

You are deriving far fetched conclusions. Good to know that atleast you know the rudiments of theory though. Sanskrit is indeed granddaughter of PIE. The fact that you deny linguistics is very unfortunate.

Sure does for the likes of KarunaNidhi and Witzel. The latter now distances himself from AIT though. Has been trying to push the new baby - AMT instead.

Karunanidhi is crank who believes in Lemuria theory. So far as Witzel is concerned, AIT does not stand or need him. He is just one of many linguists who support the theory. Witzel is wrong, it was not AMT but AIT .

I've never talked of races in AIT debates. It is meaningless and irrelevant.

Races are completely meaningful and relevant. Jats and Brahmins of Rajasthan for example are descendants of Aryan Invaders.

 

[Peter]

For one time I am willing to let go of AIT since it divides us even if it is historically correct.I think AMT is a better one and it too has its supporters.The truth is that the events occurred so early in Indian history it is very difficult to validate the facts.

 

[Pratap]

For one time I am willing to let go of AIT since it divides us even if it is historically correct.I think AMT is a better one and it too has its supporters.The truth is that the events occurred so early in Indian history it is very difficult to validate the facts.

It does not divide us . If Kalash people, Nuristanis and Biharis are related it is because of common Indo Aryan origin. Why a tribal girl in Bengal has Indo aryan name like Shashikala or Kalyani? It is Indo Aryan culture that is " Praana" of this country. If in historical ages, women from Tamil Nadu as well as Rajasthan or Kashmir had guts to burn themselves in fire, it is because of Indo Aryan culture which was common to entire India. Our gotras are similar, our founding fathers are similar and all this is because of Indo Aryans. Indo Aryans are second largest linguistic group after Han chinese.
However, I agree that AIT created biological division between Indians.

 

[Pratap]

@Pratap

AIT has been debunked by various genetic studies beyond doubt. Its wrong about everything from direction to time line. It only exists in the wet dreams of certain people wth wet dreams of connection to "superior european descendants" and anti nationalists

However if you want to assume theory and "then" try to prove it with half truths and half facts, then you can continue it yourself.


Btw your genetic "proof/links" are all right in that there is genetic similiarity between ANI and european. The only problem is, the direction of movement if from here to there and not the other way round as indicated in the genetic studies link I gave.


However, if you still want to debate with half facts, you can do it with yourself

Read this post of mine.

@Mad Indian @ True Spirit

Spencer Wells, Reich al, PP Majumdar are some reputed genetic scientists and all agree that there was intrusion of western Eurasian component in India in last 6 thousand years. Please write rebuttals to them and then once they have accepted your theory, come to me and I will humbly acknowledge my error. Now, do not hide and run but do that. I can only have pity for doctor posting nonsense on genetics directly contradicting genetic evidences as told by scientists.

 

[Mad Indian]

Read this post of mine.

You can continue to live in your lala land. I am done "debating" genetics with idiots who dont know what they are talking about. The single link I posted more than destroys any validity of AIT/AMT and so stop quoting me again in this thread

BTW, I would rather stick with the genetic "evidence" that Indians like myself have been in India for the past 45000 years and that no one from europe had raped my ancestors as suggested by the AIT/AMT. However if you want to believe otherwise based on half cooked facts, be my guest:thumb:

 

[PredictablyMalicious]

You can continue to live in your lala land. I am done "debating" genetics with idiots who dont know what they are talking about. The single link I posted more than destroys any validity of AIT/AMT and so stop quoting me again in this thread

BTW, I would rather stick with the genetic "evidence" that Indians like myself have been in India for the past 45000 years and that no one from europe had raped my ancestors as suggested by the AIT/AMT. However if you want to believe otherwise based on half cooked facts, be my guest:thumb:

He has a huge inferiority complex. No reason to debate with such people.

 

[Pratap]

You can continue to live in your lala land. I am done "debating" genetics with idiots who dont know what they are talking about. The single link I posted more than destroys any validity of AIT/AMT and so stop quoting me again in this thread

BTW, I would rather stick with the genetic "evidence" that Indians like myself have been in India for the past 45000 years and that no one from europe had raped my ancestors as suggested by the AIT/AMT. However if you want to believe otherwise based on half cooked facts, be my guest:thumb:

If you are a Dalit, even then chances are high that you have significant degree of western eurasian component. Jats, Iyengars, Gujjars and Khatris are primarily descendants of Aryan invaders.

 

[Pratap]

He has a huge inferiority complex. No reason to debate with such people.

No reason to debate with any people. People like you who live in your own tribal confederacy " Aryan Invasion Theory is disredited" when scholars have not even heard of its alternative. I do not want to be harsh but it is man like you who are blind and refuse to see wide world. If 40 years after great bangaldesh genocide where hundreds of thousands of Hindus were butchered and equally large number of women raped, we stupid Indians celebrate 1971 it is because of people like you. If even after partition and ethnic cleansing of valley, we hear nonsense of Kashmiriyat and Hindu Muslim Bhai Bhai, if even after seeing worst cases of cannibalism in communist nations communists can call RSS a fascist organization, if even after a community has launched separatist movement and is still peddling anti hindu propaganda all across Canada and US is able to catch important positions, if even after Russian blackmailing India on many arms deal, Indians are behaving like soviet orphans, it is because of people like you who refuse to read what others say and instead of countering them, you curse them and return in your fold.

AIT is accepted by Greeks, Chinese, Indians, Iranians, Germans , British and Russians but if some trolls who have hardly opened any book of history and read rudiments of genetics think that they can destroy this theory, then that is not going to happen.

Denying AIT is just Hindu version of Taqiya and nothing more.

 

[Bhadra]

If you are a Dalit, even then chances are high that you have significant degree of western eurasian component. Jats, Iyengars, Gujjars and Khatris are primarily descendants of Aryan invaders.

I take strong exceptions to your racial slurs ... communities you named are pure Aryans..

 

[Mad Indian]

AIT is accepted by Greeks, Chinese, Indians, Iranians, Germans , British and Russians but if some trolls who have hardly opened any book of history and read rudiments of genetics think that they can destroy this theory, then that is not going to happen.

By that logic, Christianity has been accepted by more people than any other religion. So by default , they are right and hence you are going to hell for worshipiing satans and idols

Argumentum ad populum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In argumentation theory, an argumentum ad populum (Latin for "appeal to the people") is a fallacious argument that concludes a proposition to be true because many or most people believe it. In other words, the basic idea of the argument is: "If many believe so, it is so."

 

[Pratap]

I take strong exceptions to your racial slurs ... communities you named are pure Aryans..

Racial slurs? The communities themselves like these terms. Dalits like to call themselves as Dalits and so do Jats and Gujjars.
The communities I named are primarily descendants of Aryan invaders as they have high western eurasian component which they got from Aryas. I was talking about biological aspect not cultural. Culturally, they may be pure Aryas.

 

[Pratap]

By that logic, Christianity has been accepted by more people than any other religion. So by default , they are right and hence you are going to hell for worshipiing satans and idols

Argumentum ad populum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hahaha. You can not distinguish between consensus on genetics and linguistics and spread of christianity. Now I understand how we Indians have doctors who leave handkerchief in stomach of patients. It happens only in India.

 

[Pratap]

This is what I can call descendant of Aryan Invader

Indians before Aryan invasion looked like this( most of them)

Now our doctors and lawyers want us to believe that both these phenotype developed in India. Hahaha

 

[Mad Indian]

Hahaha. You can not distinguish between consensus on genetics and linguistics and spread of christianity. Now I understand how we Indians have doctors who leave handkerchief in stomach of patients. It happens only in India.

Both are similiar. But I guess you are too much of a simpleton to understand it!

 

[Mad Indian]

This is what I can call descendant of Aryan Invader

Indians before Aryan invasion looked like this( most of them)

Now our doctors and lawyers want us to believe that both these phenotype developed in India. Hahaha

This is why I hate arguing with simpeltons.

Since we all are descendants of Africans, here is how our genotype looked like

Anyway, my last post in reply to you in this post. Live in your fancy world of european anscestors

 

[Pratap]

This is why I hate arguing with simpeltons.

Since we all are descendants of Africans, here is how our genotype looked like

Anyway, my last post in reply to you in this post. Live in your fancy world of european anscestors

Cycle would go on. You call me as living in fancy world and I would do same. What more to expect from a doctor who can not distinguish between science like genetics and subjective religion like Christianity.

 

[Pratap]

For anyone besides @MadIndian

We compared the five North Indian populations in this study with an additional 36 world populations published in three separate studies (Underhill et al. 2000; Ramana et al. 2001; Wells et al. 2001). We manually collected the polymorphism data overlapping with the markers used in our study from these papers, estimated genetic distance between each pair of populations using Nei's method (Nei 1973), and then reconstructed the phylogenetic tree using the neighbour-joining method (Saitou and Nei 1987). The analysis was performed by the PHYLIP package (Felsenstein 2005). Interestingly, the 41 populations could be separated into six clusters; each represents South East-Asian, African, European, Middle Eastern, Indian and Central-Asian populations, respectively (Figure 2). All Indian populations were clustered together, but there was further bifurcation between North Indian Brahmins and South Indian Brahmins (Vizag Brahmins). The five populations selected in this study (i.e. three Brahmin groups and two Muslim sects) were distributed along a single branch. Interestingly, not unexpectedly, the Central Asian populations were clustered; however, they were overall closer to Indian populations, depicting the gene flow from Central Asia.

 

[Pratap]

As the Chinese say, a picture is worth thousand words. Haplogroup R is certainly flowing into India from Pontic Steppes.