Arjun Main Battle Tank (MBT)

[Dejawolf]

Hmmm, Dejawolf, I have a good feeling that this model might some day find it's way in to SB Pro PE?

heh who knows, currently it's just a private little side project for fun. still have to go through the barrier of programmers.

 

[ersakthivel]

No i do not, but apparently you do. and you also expect the gunner to be unable to sit inside the tank. i've said it before a hundred times, and i'll say it again.
it's not 2500mm between front tip of armour to TC backrest, but about 2250mm. as evidenced in multiple pictures.
only in your religious arjun worshipping mind is it anything else. i've demonstrated the impossibility of your concept in more than just one way,
not to mention the fact that a solid block of steel 800mm thick behind already 750mm of composites would make the arjun far heavier than 58 tons.
you had nothing to counter it with, except false accusations about the hatch hole being 450mm wide when it is demonstrably not, and some completely random insults about me not making the 3d models. it all demonstrates your complete lack of knowledge on the subject.

According to this scale drawing the if the Tc seat back rest is at 2250 mm from the front tip as you suggest ,then the Tc would have trouble even getting inside the tank, have you ever though about why a team of tank professionals ( other than a genius like you, of course !!) will have such a stupid seating arrangement in a tank?

Then you suppose while getting into tank the Tc will land on the backside of the seat and walk in front perhaps!!!!!!!!!!!

Just tell me one other tank in the world that has the Tc seat back re st at the center of the crew hole,

You are only demonstrating the impossibility of any rational thought to seep through your impervious brain, nothing else,

You have said that you have given evidence multiple times for the 2250 mm claim, I don't remember ever seeing it once in this thread, So give me the evidence,

below is the evidence for my claim that Tc seat is right below the vertical standing crew hatch cover which is 2500 behind the front tip of the turret,

In the picture above you can see the vertical crew hatch cover at 2500 m behind the front tip of turret,

in the picture below you can see the Tc seat head rest right below the standing vertical crew hatch cover,

Show me the 250 mm distance between the crew hatch cover and the tc seat back rest, if your claim is true,

2250 mm is the radius of the crew hole, if your claim is true then the Tc seat must be at the center of the crew hole, but in reality it is right below the back edge(right below the crew hatch cover),

So if you cannot refute this evidence, stop making 2250 mm claims

In fact in the picture below you can see the Tc
seat head rest right at the back edge of the crew hole ,i.e 2500 mm behind the turret front tip,

So how come your baseless 2250 mm claim is true based on "evidence shown hundreds of times"?
And even the gunner seat back rest is shown to be at 2000 mm behind the turret front tip in this photo,

So all your claims are wrong as usual and all your models are based on LEO models and not Arjuns

 

[ersakthivel]

In the picture below we cannot see the Tc seat back rest at all, If your claim that the Tc seat head rest is at 2250 mm behind the fron tip, then it muct be at the center of the crew hole where is it?

 

[ersakthivel]

Just co relate the position of the gun sledge, in the pictures above

with the position of the same gun sledge in the picture below,

and you can find the 2500 mm distance, marked in the line drawing posted below.

From the line drawing above you can easily find what lies 2250 mm behind the front turret tip of the gun covering plate is,

CREW HOLE CENTER POINT

NOT

THE THE TC's head rest.,

So the Tc's head rest is 2500 mm behind the same turret front gun covering plate tip. Now Is this clear to you?

 

[ersakthivel]

back edge of the crew hole my ass.

Wherever you place your ass is none of my business,

But any Tc getting into any tank in service anywhere in the world is not going to place his posterior on the head rest of his seat as you are trying to make it out to be,

You should know very well by now that the vision blocks behind the Tc seat head rest lies behind the 2500 mm point on which the vertical crew hatch cover stands.

.

So as in the picture below


In the picture below we can clearly see the vision block behind the Tc's seat head rest(in the picture above),

is also,

clearly well behind the 2500 mm point where the vertical crew hatch cover pivot base is located.

If you still have any doubt , drop a vertical line from the pivot base and see whether it lands on the TC seat head rest or behind the Tc seat head rest as this is a common practice to check the vertical alignment in any perspective drawing.

So the arrangement shown below is a much closer to reality than what you are saying,

And as far as width is concerned the picture below is a much better representation than your wrong 2900 mm turret width at the center,

with yellow rectangle denoting the gun sledge,

and the sea green denoting the gunners seat ,

with maroon rectangle denoting the Tc's seat

 

[ersakthivel]

 

[ersakthivel]

everyone can see that 800mm behind sight is completely ridicolous.

but in the picture above the vertical standing crew hatch cover is not at the center of the turret length.

the vertical standing crew hatch cover almost bisects the turret length in the picture below ,

The screen of the big white display unit in front of the TC is (shown as a white block in the model drawing ) in the above model is well behind the back of the gunner, which is factually wrong.

but the same screen of the white big display unit is well in front of the gunner's seat back rest almost over his head in the picture below

Correcting these mistakes will yield correct LOS values behind main sight.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Avoid low quality language ..

Carry on ..

 

[ersakthivel]

And if we apply scale the width of the gun sledge in the following photo seems to be more than 500 mm, impossible in my opinion, not more than 300 mm from the photo above is my opinion,

It may be somewhere about half the size of the Tc seat is my idea, from th last picture in this post. which needs to be checked .

If we use the following pic as a comparison the width of the sledge may not be more than 350 mm, becuase it seems to be the same sized as the loaders seat width of close of 300 mm seen at the same height.

the lateral position of the big white display unit is wrong as well,

In the model above it is infront of the TC's left shoulder,

In the picture below it is actually in front of the Tc's face.

this coupled with the corrections in the above post 5567 alone would push the Tc by 250 mm and gunner back by more than 400 mm.

So LOS behind the main sight is afterall well over 1000 mm RHA if the metallurgy of steel too is taken into consideration i.e 1.3 to 1.8 times the LOS value.

 

[sasi]

How many regiments of tanks are in south and south western command?
All of them should convert to Arjun.

 

[methos]

So LOS behind the main sight is afterall well over 1000 mm RHA if the metallurgy of steel too is taken into consideration i.e 1.3 to 1.8 times the LOS value.

Trolling... wouldn't even be technically possible if the armour was as thick as imagined by you.

 

[Damian]

I allmost choked my self with my breakfest when I read bollocks this guy writes... 1000mm?!

I have a question, is ersakthivel sane on his mind?

His obsession with Arjun starts to be hilarious.

What will be next ersakthivel? Arjun is indestructible? Maybe it have a force field and fire lasers?

Not to mention that Kunal Biswas confirmed there is no composite armor behind main sight by engineer who works on this vehicle.

Which means it is immposible to place there RHA plate that is 1000mm thick.

And there are several reasons. First is that it is incredibly difficult to create a 1000mm thick RHA plate, in fact it is immposible.

Second thing is weight, a 1000mm thick RHA plate would be incredibly heavy and would create problems with turret balance.

This is logic, something you are incapable to use.

 

[Dejawolf]

In the picture below we cannot see the Tc seat back rest at all, If your claim that the Tc seat head rest is at 2250 mm behind the fron tip, then it muct be at the center of the crew hole where is it?

this picture is from the loaders position...

 

[ersakthivel]

I allmost choked my self with my breakfest when I read bollocks this guy writes... 1000mm?!

I have a question, is ersakthivel sane on his mind?

I am pretty much sane , thats why you have stopped repeating your bollock claims like 300 mm LOS behind main sight for some time

His obsession with Arjun starts to be hilarious.

that should be said by some one who has seen atleast once in his life, not you who wondered aloud in other threads , that how could the Indians got it right the first time in 2009.
So you don't know anything about Arjun in 2009 and still you don't know anything till to date.

What will be next ersakthivel? Arjun is indestructible? Maybe it have a force field and fire lasers?

Not to mention that Kunal Biswas confirmed there is no composite armor behind main sight by engineer who works on this vehicle.

Which means it is immposible to place there RHA plate that is 1000mm thick.

And there are several reasons. First is that it is incredibly difficult to create a 1000mm thick RHA plate, in fact it is immposible.

Second thing is weight, a 1000mm thick RHA plate would be incredibly heavy and would create problems with turret balance.

This is logic, something you are incapable to use.

I have used logic that is why you are running from pillar to post unable to defend your claims.

Even if you choke to death over this matter dimensions are not going to change,

What I said was 650 to 800 mm LOS behind main sight ,

And with better metallurgy steel , you multiply this by 1.3 to 1.8 as the person from design team told Kunal,That too only for the prototypes ,

if you have the guts why don't you counter the calculations in my post numbers-5522 and 5524, before choking to death all of a sudden.

no one knows what is the arrangement for production version as most of you guys boasting so much knowledge about Arjun have never seen the tank with your own eyes.

Please don't choke too soon, get a calculator and do the math,

A 600 to 800 mm LOS thickness steel measuring a rectangle of 20 cm x 30 cm may not weigh hundred tons and sink the tank in the sand,

So no need for you to choke to death so early, No one made a single 1000 mm RHA plate as you said.

Armor behind the main sight was bolstered with extra thickness by adding more plates,

Thats all,

 

[ersakthivel]

this picture is from the loaders position...

that I know, but you can use it to calculate the gun sledge width using the width of the gunner's seat as a reference

 

[Dejawolf]

that I know, but you can use it to calculate the gun sledge width using the width of the gunner's seat as a reference

you called it the TC's position and you cannot see the gunners seat from here.

 

[Dejawolf]

that I know, but you can use it to calculate the gun sledge width using the width of the gunner's seat as a reference

lets just look at this one again:

no, we cannot see the TC's seat back, because this is the loaders position.

 

[Dejawolf]

Arjun WIP

 

[ersakthivel]

lets just look at this one again:

no, we cannot see the TC's seat back, because this is the loaders position.

There are other pictures in the same post which clearly shows the Tc seat head rest at 250 mm behind front turret tip, for which you have not replied,

The loaders seat width can be used to calculate the gun sledge width, which was also drawn with wrong dimensions by you,

Your gun sledge width comes to more than 500 mm but in reality it should be around 300 to 400 mm.

 

[sasi]

How many regiments of tanks are in south and south western command?
All of them should convert to Arjun.

Can anyone shed some light on this!