Another F-15SA Lost to Yemeni Air Defences; Is Saudi's War Damaging the Prestige of Western Fighters

[ashdoc]

even if we assume they fought , the 60 x f-15c can probably defend saudi airspace against occasional intruders but what are your thoughts about them
1-performing A2G /CAS missions
2-CAP over iraqi airspace
3-handle massive iraqi air strike package

Does the f 15 c have CAS ground strike abilities ? I thought it was a pure air to air aircraft. F 15 e has ground strike abilities.

 

[vishnugupt]

Some people here criticize everything which is Russian because they compare parameters literally including propaganda and think, if one win on paper that will surely win reality also
Though reality is little different. Russian aircrafts are most maintanence friendly then American and very very effective when Russian pilots use them

 

[Bhadra]

Some people here criticize everything which is Russian because they compare parameters literally including propaganda and think, if one win on paper that will surely win reality also
Though reality is little different. Russian aircrafts are most maintanence friendly then American and very very effective when Russian pilots use them

So let the combat begin ,,,, mortal combat ....

 

[vishnugupt]

So let the combat begin ,,,, mortal combat ....

What mortal combat??
Russian weapons got bad name because they were used by comparatively incompetent users otherwise you can see with the same weapons Russian break havoc upon their adversities.
As per American F-15 has best record in air superiority but see what is happening under Saudia

 

[asianobserve]

What mortal combat??
Russian weapons got bad name because they were used by comparatively incompetent users otherwise you can see with the same weapons Russian break havoc upon their adversities.
As per American F-15 has best record in air superiority but see what is happening under Saudia

In fairness to the F-15, those Saudi idi0ts lost their F-15s from S2A missiles and not from A2A action.

 

[vishnugupt]

In fairness to the F-15, those Saudi idi0ts lost their F-15s from S2A missiles and not from A2A action.

Exactly, how pathetic is was, a AAM used as a SAM by stone aged Militia and it worked well.

 

[AbRaj]

And low level attacks are not necessary in most scenarios. Saudis should maximize the use of F-15SAs superb sensors from high altitude. That would allow their pilots more reaction time for evasive maneuvers and counter-measures. But I guess it's like teaching old dogs new tricks. Saudis are only good at flying planes into undefended buildings---

Tahat is gross generalisation. I don’t think majority of them ever wanted to blow up the buildings. You may disagree but I think more fantatics come from the Balkans and South Asia.

 

[mikael]

Iraqis had mig 29s with R 27 ( NATO name---AA 10 Alamo) semi active radar homing air to air missiles and AA 8 aephid short range air to air missiles. Saudi f 15s had AIM 7 sparrow medium range air to air missiles and sidewinder short range air to air missiles. But mig 29 was short range due to it's fuel guzzling RD 33 engines and it's engines ejected smoke making it more detectable, for it was early version of mig 29 when it's problems had not been rectified. The f 15 could carry 8 aams while mig 29 could carry 6 . F 15 had longer range and could strike deep . So f 15 had advantage in air combat over Iraqi mig 29 . Other Iraqi fighters could not face f 15 .

no fighter in iraq could face f-15
if any fighter came close to shooting down an f-15 it was a mig-25pd
see battle of Samurra
mig-29 in 1980s 90s was essentially a more advanced mig-21bis with BVR weapons but it was no real match [ nor was it intended to match] the eagle

 

[mikael]

Iraq had decent exposure to fighting high end US aircraft, in the form of Iran air force Tomcats
They would have handled the Saudi Eagles pretty well.

iraqis only shot down 4 x F-14 in the whole war and iranians killed dozens of iraqi jets
however the f-14 has the advanced ARH AIM-54 which F-15 does not have
also how reliable are the iranian claims ?

 

[mikael]

Tahat is gross generalisation. I don’t think majority of them ever wanted to blow up the buildings. You may disagree but I think more fantatics come from the Balkans and South Asia.

south asia has a lot more people too

saudis are just not interested in warfare like some other nations , and their poor work ethic prevents them from taking advantage of any training

 

[mikael]

Exactly, how pathetic is was, a AAM used as a SAM by stone aged Militia and it worked well.

Houthis Macgyver everything !
R27 as SAM
S75 SAM used as a SSM
they are insanely innovative

 

[asianobserve]

Tahat is gross generalisation. I don’t think majority of them ever wanted to blow up the buildings. You may disagree but I think more fantatics come from the Balkans and South Asia.

Saudi fanatics are the worst. Even those Saudis not considered fanatics are pretty insane. Just look at how they treat their women.

There are only very few sane Saudis.

 

[asianobserve]

iraqis only shot down 4 x F-14 in the whole war and iranians killed dozens of iraqi jets
however the f-14 has the advanced ARH AIM-54 which F-15 does not have
also how reliable are the iranian claims ?

AIM-54 is overrated. It's designed to kill a lumbering Soviet bomber from very long distances. It's not very good at killing highly maneuverable fighters at medium ranges. No wonder the USAF did not adopt it and the USN discintinued its.

 

[AbRaj]

Saudi fanatics are the worst. Even those Saudis not considered fanatics are pretty insane. Just look at how they treat their women.

There are only very few sane Saudis.

Though I agree with you on women rights and some other areas, but in my opinion the new found wealth has made rich Arabs , caring about life and death , against the teachings of Islam which considers life useless stopgap is the path to jannah.

 

[mikael]

Saudi fanatics are the worst. Even those Saudis not considered fanatics are pretty insane. Just look at how they treat their women.

There are only very few sane Saudis.

dude have you met any saudi women ? I say they deserve it

anyway i find most appalling the way saudis treat africans , south asian, other nationalities

 

[mikael]

AIM-54 is overrated. It's designed to kill a lumbering Soviet bomber from very long distances. It's not very good at killing highly maneuverable fighters at medium ranges. No wonder the USAF did not adopt it and the USN discintinued its.

most fighters are not pulling a lot of gs all the time either, AIM54 is also not SARH a very useful feature in the pre-AIM-120 era esp if killed at long range by unknown attacker

 

[asianobserve]

dude have you met any saudi women ? I say they deserve it

anyway i find most appalling the way saudis treat africans , south asian, other nationalities

Not all Saudi women are lunatics. A lot of young efucated and rich women want to live and enjoy simpke freedoms that their peers in democratic countries take for granted. It must be like a curse to be born an intelligent woman in Saudi...

 

[mikael]

Not all Saudi women are lunatics. A lot of young efucated and rich women want to live and enjoy simpke freedoms that their peers in democratic countries take for granted. It must be like a curse to be born an intelligent woman in Saudi...

ofcourse there are exceptions but there are some great saudi men too I'm sure
I personally know a few

 

[vishnugupt]

Who gave funny name to this thread?? May be Gold plated F-15 might work for Saudia.
BANDER KE HAATH ME COCONUT
When Iraq amassed army on Saudia border in 1991 and CIA came to King and gave satelite pics of impending Iraqi attack After then Saudi started recruitment of army. before that Saudia didn't have even Army.
It is foolish to derive conclusion from Saudi performance

 

[vishnugupt]

Not all Saudi women are lunatics. A lot of young efucated and rich women want to live and enjoy simpke freedoms that their peers in democratic countries take for granted. It must be like a curse to be born an intelligent woman in Saudi...

Really?? Mulli are suffering from Stockholm's syndrome. No matter how secular/liberals they pretend but they always fell short to criticize barbaric islamic laws and end of the day they choose burkha over freedom. Anti-Triple talaq law is best example