It shows nothing of that sort, but that you have not a clue.
You talking about J-7s? It took them 20 years to figure out rather basic technologies of which they had full access to develop.
That is all very true, but time is not something you have when your opponents are developing the next generation far faster than you are on the one already behind.
I think "vintage" is the key word. While it might take us 8 years to develop an engine, it takes them 20. The curve is by far in our favour. By the time their engines come into wide use, they are already antiques to us.
Running a jet that takes several times longer to attain military thrust is a distinct disadvantage. It makes dog fights impossible, hard to outdistance missile envelop, sortie generation and a number of other factors. To go into wide scale production with such a flaw is unthinkable.
Chinese are reliant on our energy supplies. We always hold the trump card.
You certainly have a cash advantage but you are missing the real keys to application of R&D. The first and biggest thing Russia has over China is access to Western technology from cutting edge countries in the EU. We conduct joint projekts with them all the time. We share funding with not only these nations but also big players like India. This makes up for a large portion of our money crunch. The third thing we have over China is competition. Our aircraft industries must compete with the latest Western fighters which pushes us to come out with latest technologies. Finally, our aerospace has been consolidated, trimmed, and modernised into OAK. The companies that have produced some of the greatest fighters the world has ever seen are all under one roof working together on the projekts required of them. We have not only the greatest minds of Russia working on it, but India, France, Italy, Ukraine, Belarus, and a host of other nations. Our military ties extend far beyond our borders. We are not isolated like China who has to not only start from scratch, but has an inefficient communist ownership.
forget it!
Russia gets to know about the best Western tech through India! Why do you think that inspite of the Western tech we buy, Indo Russian Relations are strong, proven by the Joint Statement taken out by our President and the Russian President!forget it!
1. nobody else are ready to maket real key tech ...... which you should know very clearly....the blueprint might be stolen or pirated,but the base tech like "material and machining" needs the accumulation of experience and data and are very hard to be stolen and pirated..and the industry base is impossible to steal or pirate...
2.Frankly speaking, except EU and USA, nobody esle can provide something helpful to Russia as for defence tech.
but I doubt that EU or USA are ready to help Russia with defence tech....
the 4 are USA,Russia ,China and EU(as a whole),and the rest 0.5 is Japan
3,Russian glory past can not naturely prove that Russia will have glory future.
As for it ,you as Russian should know it more clearly than me.....after Soviet callopsed, Russia defence tech develops very slowly.
4. Russian economy falls into the trape of "Arabianized"
unless Russian can change its oil-dependent economy structure and make its manufacturing-base revive, Russian can hardly own a real glory futre
guy, have you really study the economy of Russia?
frankly speaking, India has not risen onto the arena,when global defence tech race is concerned.
As long as china assumes that Russia is based on oil and nothing else. Russia has nothing to lose.You better rethink.It's making all round progress including IT.
You need to check your source.
1,export is not as important ot chinese economy as you said.
MiG 15 engine *cough*
First of all I am not contexting here how much time taken by chinese to develop J-7, that is not a moot point. Certainly they have had a maximum input from russians as well to develop J-7, but reality is that they had certainly manage to produce them in large numbers. And that is exactly what matter at the moment in addition to exporting them to rough states like Pakistan at a short notice during Parliment attack in India. What I am trying to make a point here is that, leaving aside all their failures and huge timelines Chinese have taken to develop a particuler jets, but they were certainly succesfull deploying the same either directly or indirectly against nations like India, in this case Pakistani Airforce which they indirectly used.
Sorry boss, above sentenence is not in consonance with what you used comment, since I can even say that China is securing various Energy reserve across the world, and russian one that you are talking is one among various option that china is exploring. Just because China could lose Russian supply of fuel, it doesn't mean that all the industrial activities in china will come to standstill.
You have license to produce 80% of the J-11 so it was practically handed to you. There has been no major Chinese innovation or technical skill in copying the technology or production since we gave it to you. What we didn't give you was engine technology and power pack supply and you have so far failed in the endeavour since you have failed engines and are stealing Su-27 power packs.
The USA will give us nothing, but we do have access to France, of which their defence companies are giving us their cutting edge. I am sure you have respect for Thales.2.Frankly speaking, except EU and USA, nobody esle can provide something helpful to Russia as for defence tech.
but I doubt that EU or USA are ready to help Russia with defence tech....
Our defence tech is in a process of rebirth, the reasons for the stagnation under the Yeltsin era are well known. As our military faces reformation, so do our industries, of which you will not be able to compete. Even during our dark years China was a non-competitor in the global arms trade.
Do you really know anything about the Russian economy? Our oil exports are around 6% of GDP while Saudi Arabia is more like 40. Our economy is far more diversified than Wahhabis. Your economy is based on EU/US exports, without it your economy would collapse.
How many IAF fighters did J-7s shoot down? Look at the F-7 fleet today. China has fallen so far behind the times, Pakistan opted for Italian radar, and theirs are better than the J-7s still in PLAAF service today.
I thought we were talking about China's self-sufficiency in military production and technology. Pakistan has access to Western suppliers which puts many of their systems above their Chinese counterparts. Everything China has copied has been inferior in quality, not to say they are not deadly but that is not the point.
We account for 10% of Chinese oil imports and soon to almost double that with the opening of the East Siberian-Pacific. That is an amount that cannot be ignored. That is like the US cutting off Venezuela and in the future like cutting off Saudi Arabia. We control most of the Central Asian pipelines that feed China as well. We always hold the trump card.
Thing that I don't understand in which direction you are bringing this debate. Yes we can go on on in discussing Chinese R&D and their quality background. That is not the point I am making. All I am saying is that, the proven utility of those Chinese reverse engineered technology not only to itself but also to its allies like Pakistan and all other dictatorship regime across the world. I never said that those F-7 had ever shot down any IAF jet, all I am saying that as far as history is concerned(In this case reverse copies of Mig-17 and subsequent use in 1971 war through Pakistan), they have certainly manage to utilize whatever their in their inventory against India, but this time round they used it through Pakistan.
Hey mate, please please don't get into this irrelavant commenting. You certainly need to go and do some soul searching about China's effort of securing energy resources across the world, at the same time, Arab world is fast diverting its attention towards emerging powers like China from Western nations and willing to lend thier support in every possible way they can. Regarding trump card of Russia, Russia is the sole loser over here to lost one of the biggest consumer of Oil in the world if it ever think about shutting its oil wells to China.
90% of KSA is oil exports or petrol industry total? I was refering to oil exports.
