American and European Air to Air Missiles.

[Super Flanker]

We jammed them using Elta 8222 SPJ pods. We didn't doge them. Their is a subtle difference in it.

There were many Tactics involved in dodging the AIM-120C5 BVRs fired by the Pakistanis. Jamming was 1 of them but also the SU-30 MKI manouvered and dodged the Missiles.

 

[Flying Dagger]

Best ccm is aim9x2.
Best bvr under EW is meteor.
Best all rounder aim120c7/c8/d.
Mica is good considering rafale and better than meteor in ccm and bvr role upto 70 km.
Derby ER similar to c7. Astra similar and better than c5 but inferior to c7, becz its first bvr missile and can add more advanced seeker, ins, eccm in near future. python is ir/irr/optics missile. Overall the best aam is 9x2.

Aim 9X is IR missile for CCM where Python 5 is equally good which we have inducted now.

MICA is good due to Rafale ?

It's good whether on Mirage or Rafale or Sukhoi and best piece available the only drawback is range. It has both IR and RF version that's added advantage.

For CCM Python /ASRAAM are better missile though. Cost factor counts too. Less than 30 km

Derby ER cost effective like AMRAAM less than 60-70 km

Meteor top of the line for BVR. Less than 100 km

Bottomline we have all of these just need them in numbers and integration with Russian platforms as well Tejas.

 

[johnj]

Aim 9X is IR missile for CCM where Python 5 is equally good which we have inducted now.

MICA is good due to Rafale ?

It's good whether on Mirage or Rafale or Sukhoi and best piece available the only drawback is range. It has both IR and RF version that's added advantage.

For CCM Python /ASRAAM are better missile though. Cost factor counts too. Less than 30 km

Derby ER cost effective like AMRAAM less than 60-70 km

Meteor top of the line for BVR. Less than 100 km

Bottomline we have all of these just need them in numbers and integration with Russian platforms as well Tejas.

Aim 9x block 2 is most advanced aam in us arsenal and can engage land target.
Mica can use dual channel data link with rafale, and due to single channel data link of meteor, having wvr, close attack capability. Rafale ir/tv sensor can feed data into mica ir for bvr. Also mica ng under development. Not only the missile but launching aircraft also matters.
Python 5/asraam provide similar performance. derby er range come closer to 100km, and amraam cost depends on its variety. Meteor best bvr from EU which lacks aesa rf sensor, and close/near attack capability.

 

[Flying Dagger]

Aim 9x block 2 is most advanced aam in us arsenal and can engage land target.
Mica can use dual channel data link with rafale, and due to single channel data link of meteor, having wvr, close attack capability. Rafale ir/tv sensor can feed data into mica ir for bvr. Also mica ng under development. Not only the missile but launching aircraft also matters.
Python 5/asraam provide similar performance. derby er range come closer to 100km, and amraam cost depends on its variety. Meteor best bvr from EU which lacks aesa rf sensor, and close/near attack capability.

What you are talking abt is LOAL capability that's available for python etc too.

MICA NG is basic upgrade and dual pulse motor to increase range that's it. Though it won't increase NEZ much.

The real advantage of MICA is it's Thrust vectoring capability which make sure it can engage CCM and BVR target both but increase its cost substantially.

Right now it's Medium range BVR but best in business. Though due to high cost it's forbidden.

It's IR version can be launched from any platform infact it is integrated with Sukhoi too.

Previously we had integrated R73 with Mirage 2k.

Israeli missile are basically derivative or can say similar to it's American counterpart . Python is a CCM and fall similar to AIM 9X2 don't read more into it.

ASRAAM or IRIST were European program to provide an IR missile which is near BVR.

IIR missile are much better and harder to dodge but lack range due to sensor.

Here ASRAAM provide a longer range to engage but again it's costly too.

Meteor doesn't lack AESA either they have a version for Japan which got AESA seeker called JNAAM.

I did not know if we pushed for that but apart from American 120 D possibly there is no missile using aesa seeker and all use msa as of now.

Chinese pl 15 was supposed to get aesa seeker but nothing confirmed for now. Russia is working up on K77 m 180+ range which may get Aesa seeker.

Offcourse Japan already have one. And based on its seeker JNAAM a version of meteor too.

Meteor NEZ is 60-70 km so it can engage target under it easily and doesn't lack close near attack capability Either. But you don't need to be so close when you have meteor that's the whole point of having it.

 

[johnj]

What you are talking abt is LOAL capability that's available for python etc too.

MICA NG is basic upgrade and dual pulse motor to increase range that's it. Though it won't increase NEZ much.

The real advantage of MICA is it's Thrust vectoring capability which make sure it can engage CCM and BVR target both but increase its cost substantially.

Right now it's Medium range BVR but best in business. Though due to high cost it's forbidden.

It's IR version can be launched from any platform infact it is integrated with Sukhoi too.

Previously we had integrated R73 with Mirage 2k.

Israeli missile are basically derivative or can say similar to it's American counterpart . Python is a CCM and fall similar to AIM 9X2 don't read more into it.

ASRAAM or IRIST were European program to provide an IR missile which is near BVR.

IIR missile are much better and harder to dodge but lack range due to sensor.

Here ASRAAM provide a longer range to engage but again it's costly too.

Meteor doesn't lack AESA either they have a version for Japan which got AESA seeker called JNAAM.

I did not know if we pushed for that but apart from American 120 D possibly there is no missile using aesa seeker and all use msa as of now.

Chinese pl 15 was supposed to get aesa seeker but nothing confirmed for now. Russia is working up on K77 m 180+ range which may get Aesa seeker.

Offcourse Japan already have one. And based on its seeker JNAAM a version of meteor too.

Meteor NEZ is 60-70 km so it can engage target under it easily and doesn't lack close near attack capability Either. But you don't need to be so close when you have meteor that's the whole point of having it.

I'm not talking about loal, but air to surface capability, which is a game changer for future gen fighter jet.
Mica ng, not only getting a new motor but also new seekar, specially designed to attack stealth target.
Yes, but you need to understand MICA developed by french and rafale is the only aircraft can take full advantage of mica not only ir version and rf version. Mica ng increase nez against stealth aircraft.
Python 5 and aim 9x were different, and different. US don't allow its tech and money with out usa permission, and US don't allow use it against pakistan. asraam and aim 9x similar and share some tech in early development buy python family is different.
Asraam uk program and irist german program, meteor eu program, mica french program.
All eu weapons are expensive.
JNAAM is a jv for using aam4b aesa sensor to meteor and its under development, means its lacks aesa now.
Nope, aim 120d don't have aesa seeker, only japan and china [russia ?] having such missile and pakistan received such missile from china. Pl 15 only advantage is aesa seeker compared to aim 120 and meteor. Russia aesa development not so great and miniature aesa rf sensor is questionable. US developing new aams to counter pl15 and uk adding japan seeker into meteor and french developing mica ng.
Meteor nez is 60km and max range 150km plus. Dual pulse motor also increase nez. NEZ depends on target also and not missile only, aim 120 c7 can destroy mig 29 60 km away and aim 120 d 100km away.

 

[Flying Dagger]

I'm not talking about loal, but air to surface capability, which is a game changer for future gen fighter jet.
Mica ng, not only getting a new motor but also new seekar, specially designed to attack stealth target.
Yes, but you need to understand MICA developed by french and rafale is the only aircraft can take full advantage of mica not only ir version and rf version. Mica ng increase nez against stealth aircraft.
Python 5 and aim 9x were different, and different. US don't allow its tech and money with out usa permission, and US don't allow use it against pakistan. asraam and aim 9x similar and share some tech in early development buy python family is different.
Asraam uk program and irist german program, meteor eu program, mica french program.
All eu weapons are expensive.
JNAAM is a jv for using aam4b aesa sensor to meteor and its under development, means its lacks aesa now.
Nope, aim 120d don't have aesa seeker, only japan and china [russia ?] having such missile and pakistan received such missile from china. Pl 15 only advantage is aesa seeker compared to aim 120 and meteor. Russia aesa development not so great and miniature aesa rf sensor is questionable. US developing new aams to counter pl15 and uk adding japan seeker into meteor and french developing mica ng.
Meteor nez is 60km and max range 150km plus. Dual pulse motor also increase nez. NEZ depends on target also and not missile only, aim 120 c7 can destroy mig 29 60 km away and aim 120 d 100km away.

Can't read your mind... if you aren't talking about LOAL then what it is that mica is good coz of rafale...

If you are talking abt surface to air missile or mica vertical launch capability that had nothing to do with the discussion. Derby python can do the same and so does all other missiles. Even Astra will have a vertical launch platform.

How will MICA take down stealth aircraft with its new seeker ? Please explain

Now since you are yourself saying there is no missile with AESA ( Japan have one ) than how can it be handicapped for meteor. Which by the way can employ aesa the real reason no one is going for it is the cost factor vs advantage Offered analysis. Japan is ready to pay and have a GaN radar sonthey will be getting it in couple of years.

And how did you confirm 120 D doesn't have AESA . As far as I know UK will be paying upward of 3 million+ a piece for them. And it may or may not have AESA since it's classified and it's range too.

Aim 120 D can destroy Mig 29 100 km away ?

Well good luck with that it's not how things happen.

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

Aim 120 D can destroy Mig 29 100 km away ?

Well good luck with that it's not how things happen.

about 80 kms ish is around realistic range, MAR is 15-20 kms.

 

[Flying Dagger]

about 80 kms ish is around realistic range, MAR is 15-20 kms.

Great then USA will be able to take down Flankers at even bigger range with their aesa radar track em and take them down.

We should literally put them in reserve .

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

Great then USA will be able to take down Flankers at even bigger range with their aesa radar track em and take them down.

We should literally put them in reserve .

Nah nah.

Missile max realistic range is 80 kms, doesnt matter flanker or mig. And even then, its not that big of a deal. Missiles take time, even if your missile is limited to 60 kms, as long as you are reasonably fast you can wait till you are in range, fire, and go defensive. It is a big disadvantage, but it is not the end of the fight if you get locked and fired on.

If you want further info on A2A fights, I would recommend a channel called Growling Sidewinder. Its DCS, but close enough to the real world that the strategies etc are the same as IRL.

 

[Flying Dagger]

Nah nah.

Missile max realistic range is 80 kms, doesnt matter flanker or mig. And even then, its not that big of a deal. Missiles take time, even if your missile is limited to 60 kms, as long as you are reasonably fast you can wait till you are in range, fire, and go defensive. It is a big disadvantage, but it is not the end of the fight if you get locked and fired on.

If you want further info on A2A fights, I would recommend a channel called Growling Sidewinder. Its DCS, but close enough to the real world that the strategies etc are the same as IRL.

That was a satire from my side... Bro

You seems to be new.. you can read previous posts where these things are discussed in details in the forum.

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

That was a satire from my side... Bro

You seems to be new.. you can read previous posts where these things are discussed in details in the forum.

Mera sarcasm detector faulty hai, kaafi baar mai serious reply deta hun... Dont mind me

 

[johnj]

Can't read your mind... if you aren't talking about LOAL then what it is that mica is good coz of rafale...

If you are talking abt surface to air missile or mica vertical launch capability that had nothing to do with the discussion. Derby python can do the same and so does all other missiles. Even Astra will have a vertical launch platform.

How will MICA take down stealth aircraft with its new seeker ? Please explain

Now since you are yourself saying there is no missile with AESA ( Japan have one ) than how can it be handicapped for meteor. Which by the way can employ aesa the real reason no one is going for it is the cost factor vs advantage Offered analysis. Japan is ready to pay and have a GaN radar sonthey will be getting it in couple of years.

And how did you confirm 120 D doesn't have AESA . As far as I know UK will be paying upward of 3 million+ a piece for them. And it may or may not have AESA since it's classified and it's range too.

Aim 120 D can destroy Mig 29 100 km away ?

Well good luck with that it's not how things happen.

I'm not talking about loal capability or sam, but air to surface capability of aim 9x2. Only aim 9x2 having such capability for ccm [new tests unknown].
The Mica NG RF is a radar-guided air-to-air missile fitted with an active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar seeker to engage targets with reduced electromagnetic signature. Besides, the AESA seeker will allow smart detection strategies to engage stealth threats. The more compact and lighter electronics will allow loading more propellant extending thus the range of the missile. A new double pulse rocket motor will provide additional energy at the end of the flight improving the maneuverability and the ability to intercept targets at long range.
The Mica NG IR features an advanced infrared (IR) seeker to engage targets with reduced infrared signature such as unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) and stealth aircraft. The IR seeker will be based upon a matrix sensor with greater sensitivity. The more compact and lighter electronics will allow loading more propellant extending thus the range of the missile. A new double pulse rocket motor will provide additional energy at the end of the flight improving the maneuverability and the ability to intercept targets at long range.
On the MICA NG, a new IR seeker based on a matrix sensor provides increased sensitivity, while a new RF seeker with an active electronically scanned antenna (AESA) allows for smart detection strategies. The lower volume of electronic components internally enables MICA NG to carry a larger propellant load, significantly extending its range. Its new dual-pulse rocket motor provides additional energy to the missile at the end of its flight, improving manoeuvrability and the missiles ability to
intercept targets at long range
Rest of info after 2026.
There is no info about aesa seeker on aim 120d or aim 120c8 and considering usaf statements about aesa seeker in chinese aam, and development of new bvr and long range aam, it is hard to say aim 120 having aesa tech. Japan first country to employ aesa rf sensor on production version of fighter jet and use aesa rf sensor on aam or other missile followed by china. Some article says about aesa seeker on russian aams and till now no official info about aesa rf sensor on usa and uk aam, but in other missiles, usa having tech but not funds, new aam comes with aesa rf sensor and with both ram jet and motor engines.
Aim 120d having 170km plus range and build in same and improved tech of c7, means f 35 and f 22 can destroy a mach 2, 5m2 rcs target 100km away with dual data link with ease. Aim 120 d seeker is superior to c7 and c7 seeker superior to c5 which is similar to astra. astra comes in between c5 and c7, if a advanced aam with 180 km can't destroy a 4th gen jet at 100km, then how about astra , less advanced with 100km ?[25km ?]For your knowledge aim 120d not available for all countries or jets but particular countries and jets with 5th gen or similar tech.
Raytheon has adapted the heat-seeking AIM-9X to strike moving targets on the ground or in the water in 2009. Now Raytheon complected more tests and new ccm/bvr aam also consider such capability, due to iwb limitations of stealth aircraft.
Yes you are right, this is not how these works, becz most of jets destroyed by strike and sam, rest by guns. bvr/aam were use less except meteor. Every ones knows about c5 missile launched by paf against iaf, do you ?

 

[Flying Dagger]

I'm not talking about loal capability or sam, but air to surface capability of aim 9x2. Only aim 9x2 having such capability for ccm [new tests unknown].
The Mica NG RF is a radar-guided air-to-air missile fitted with an active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar seeker to engage targets with reduced electromagnetic signature. Besides, the AESA seeker will allow smart detection strategies to engage stealth threats. The more compact and lighter electronics will allow loading more propellant extending thus the range of the missile. A new double pulse rocket motor will provide additional energy at the end of the flight improving the maneuverability and the ability to intercept targets at long range.
The Mica NG IR features an advanced infrared (IR) seeker to engage targets with reduced infrared signature such as unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) and stealth aircraft. The IR seeker will be based upon a matrix sensor with greater sensitivity. The more compact and lighter electronics will allow loading more propellant extending thus the range of the missile. A new double pulse rocket motor will provide additional energy at the end of the flight improving the maneuverability and the ability to intercept targets at long range.
On the MICA NG, a new IR seeker based on a matrix sensor provides increased sensitivity, while a new RF seeker with an active electronically scanned antenna (AESA) allows for smart detection strategies. The lower volume of electronic components internally enables MICA NG to carry a larger propellant load, significantly extending its range. Its new dual-pulse rocket motor provides additional energy to the missile at the end of its flight, improving manoeuvrability and the missiles ability to
intercept targets at long range
Rest of info after 2026.
There is no info about aesa seeker on aim 120d or aim 120c8 and considering usaf statements about aesa seeker in chinese aam, and development of new bvr and long range aam, it is hard to say aim 120 having aesa tech. Japan first country to employ aesa rf sensor on production version of fighter jet and use aesa rf sensor on aam or other missile followed by china. Some article says about aesa seeker on russian aams and till now no official info about aesa rf sensor on usa and uk aam, but in other missiles, usa having tech but not funds, new aam comes with aesa rf sensor and with both ram jet and motor engines.
Aim 120d having 170km plus range and build in same and improved tech of c7, means f 35 and f 22 can destroy a mach 2, 5m2 rcs target 100km away with dual data link with ease. Aim 120 d seeker is superior to c7 and c7 seeker superior to c5 which is similar to astra. astra comes in between c5 and c7, if a advanced aam with 180 km can't destroy a 4th gen jet at 100km, then how about astra , less advanced with 100km ?[25km ?]For your knowledge aim 120d not available for all countries or jets but particular countries and jets with 5th gen or similar tech.
Raytheon has adapted the heat-seeking AIM-9X to strike moving targets on the ground or in the water in 2009. Now Raytheon complected more tests and new ccm/bvr aam also consider such capability, due to iwb limitations of stealth aircraft.
Yes you are right, this is not how these works, becz most of jets destroyed by strike and sam, rest by guns. bvr/aam were use less except meteor. Every ones knows about c5 missile launched by paf against iaf, do you ?

If 120 D can destroy a Tejas like target from 100 km with ease why do we need meteor ?

Main point is NEZ where the chances of getting hit is maximum.

For a 120 D it may not be more than 25-30 km at best.


Meteor set to get AESA prototype fire in 2023 that you do nt count...

But MICA NG still in development not yet getting it is in your list

One thing common among both is MBDA.





An aesa radar seeker will only enable to have an extra eye on target once it's near around How come stealth comes into play.


LOAL is the capability ,sharing data which is essential to identify and engage a target successfully.

9X 2+ well if it hits a target in ground so what how does it make it a better BVR.

What about Astra ?

And thanks for knowledge that 120 D isn't possess by many airforces.

 

[johnj]

If 120 D can destroy a Tejas like target from 100 km with ease why do we need meteor ?

Main point is NEZ where the chances of getting hit is maximum.

For a 120 D it may not be more than 25-30 km at best.


Meteor set to get AESA prototype fire in 2023 that you do nt count...

But MICA NG still in development not yet getting it is in your list

One thing common among both is MBDA.





An aesa radar seeker will only enable to have an extra eye on target once it's near around How come stealth comes into play.


LOAL is the capability ,sharing data which is essential to identify and engage a target successfully.

9X 2+ well if it hits a target in ground so what how does it make it a better BVR.

What about Astra ?

And thanks for knowledge that 120 D isn't possess by many airforces.

NEZ depends mainly on two things, kinetics of missile and target plane and it not assure 100% kill.
Prototype and integrating it into fighter jet are different.
Ask this question to MBDA.
Why are you taking loal, its a old tech, majority of bvr aam having this function ?
Its not about only bvr, its all aam.
If NEZ of d is 30km, then what is NEZ of astra ? If its less than 25, they why it needed ?
For your info, aim 120 replacement also uses motor not ramjet. USAF rejected ramjet in favour of dual pulse motor for aim 120 d and going same in future.

 

[Flying Dagger]

NEZ depends mainly on two things, kinetics of missile and target plane and it not assure 100% kill.
Prototype and integrating it into fighter jet are different.
Ask this question to MBDA.
Why are you taking loal, its a old tech, majority of bvr aam having this function ?
Its not about only bvr, its all aam.
If NEZ of d is 30km, then what is NEZ of astra ? If its less than 25, they why it needed ?
For your info, aim 120 replacement also uses motor not ramjet. USAF rejected ramjet in favour of dual pulse motor for aim 120 d and going same in future.

Don't share it for my info.. I am aware of everything you are saying ...

LOAL is an old tech ? What do you even mean when you throw such things

USAF didn't rejected ramjet it's just that it's more economical to keep dual pulse motor.

Astra NEZ will be much lesser. It's max range is 100+ NEZ is kind of guarantee that within its reach the missile will have enough energy and definitely able to engage with the target . Now if the target is still able to dodge it somehow then that's upto the skill of pilot and countermeasures available for the fighter jet.

Also the range depend on different altitude a missile is released from.

The advantage of ramjet is the missile possesses energy throughout its path and doesn't burnout in the beginning like Astra . Dual pulse motor try to achieve the same.

Aam means air to air missile ... Anyway I am not engaging with you anymore... On it .

 

[johnj]

Don't share it for my info.. I am aware of everything you are saying ...

LOAL is an old tech ? What do you even mean when you throw such things

USAF didn't rejected ramjet it's just that it's more economical to keep dual pulse motor.

Astra NEZ will be much lesser. It's max range is 100+ NEZ is kind of guarantee that within its reach the missile will have enough energy and definitely able to engage with the target . Now if the target is still able to dodge it somehow then that's upto the skill of pilot and countermeasures available for the fighter jet.

Also the range depend on different altitude a missile is released from.

The advantage of ramjet is the missile possesses energy throughout its path and doesn't burnout in the beginning like Astra . Dual pulse motor try to achieve the same.

Aam means air to air missile ... Anyway I am not engaging with you anymore... On it .

You comments don't make any sense, first you write like a person who knows nothing and then write some thing and then just opposite.
All the things you written now is similar to my comments and replay to you.
Do you any idea about what you what say in first place ?
Still you are unable any answer I asked w.r.t your comments.

 

[Flying Dagger]

You comments don't make any sense, first you write like a person who knows nothing and then write some thing and then just opposite.
All the things you written now is similar to my comments and replay to you.
Do you any idea about what you what say in first place ?
Still you are unable any answer I asked w.r.t your comments.

Bhai I know nothing ... Ok don't quote me anymore.

 

[BON PLAN]

For those who think US missiles are cheap :

US Approves $39 Million AIM-120C-8 AMRAAM Missile Sale to Netherlands - MilitaryLeak.COM

The U.S. State Department has made a determination approving a possible Foreign Military Sale (FMS) to the Government of the Netherlands of sixteen (16) AIM-120C-8 Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missiles (AMRAAM) and related equipment for an estimated cost of $39 million.

militaryleak.com

"Foreign Military Sale (FMS) to the Government of the Netherlands of sixteen (16) AIM-120C-8 Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missiles (AMRAAM) and related equipment for an estimated cost of $39 million. "

=> 2.43$ millions an AMRAAM C8 (or AMRAAM D). Even if this price integrate 16 pylons.....

 

[BON PLAN]

What you are talking abt is LOAL capability that's available for python etc too.

MICA NG is basic upgrade and dual pulse motor to increase range that's it. Though it won't increase NEZ much.

The real advantage of MICA is it's Thrust vectoring capability which make sure it can engage CCM and BVR target both but increase its cost substantially.

Right now it's Medium range BVR but best in business. Though due to high cost it's forbidden.

It's IR version can be launched from any platform infact it is integrated with Sukhoi too.

Previously we had integrated R73 with Mirage 2k.

Israeli missile are basically derivative or can say similar to it's American counterpart . Python is a CCM and fall similar to AIM 9X2 don't read more into it.

ASRAAM or IRIST were European program to provide an IR missile which is near BVR.

IIR missile are much better and harder to dodge but lack range due to sensor.

Here ASRAAM provide a longer range to engage but again it's costly too.

Meteor doesn't lack AESA either they have a version for Japan which got AESA seeker called JNAAM.

I did not know if we pushed for that but apart from American 120 D possibly there is no missile using aesa seeker and all use msa as of now.

Chinese pl 15 was supposed to get aesa seeker but nothing confirmed for now. Russia is working up on K77 m 180+ range which may get Aesa seeker.

Offcourse Japan already have one. And based on its seeker JNAAM a version of meteor too.

Meteor NEZ is 60-70 km so it can engage target under it easily and doesn't lack close near attack capability Either. But you don't need to be so close when you have meteor that's the whole point of having it.

not 100% right.

MICA NG will have a smaller electronic pack so as to fit a bigger and dual pulse booster. The range is expected to be 30% more, and thanks to the dual pulse booster (to energize the missile at the end of its course to increase agility) has a significant metter NEZ. Add to that a new AESA RF seeker and a new IR seeker. So a basic upgrade? sure not.

Python has no common part with AIM9X.

If indeed ASRAAM has a range between short and medium one, IRIS T is really a short range one.

Meteor will have the AESA seeker of MICA NG, as actual Meteor have the legacy MICA RF seeker.

 

[BON PLAN]

Aim 9x block 2 is most advanced aam in us arsenal and can engage land target.

AIM9X is so effective that it was unable to shoot a old Su22 over Syrian coast.... Jammed by 30 years ols chaff....
The SH18 had to use an AMRAAM to do so.