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All computers now under govt. watch
The Ministry of Home Affairs issued an order authorising 10 Central agencies to intercept, monitor, and decrypt “any information generated, transmitted, received or stored in any computer.”
The Ministry of Home Affairs on Thursday issued an order authorising 10 Central agencies to intercept, monitor, and decrypt “any information generated, transmitted, received or stored in any computer.”
The agencies are the Intelligence Bureau, Narcotics Control Bureau, Enforcement Directorate, Central Board of Direct Taxes, Directorate of Revenue Intelligence, Central Bureau of Investigation; National Investigation Agency, Cabinet Secretariat (R&AW), Directorate of Signal Intelligence (For service areas of Jammu & Kashmir, North-East and Assam only) and Commissioner of Police, Delhi.
According to the order, the subscriber or service provider or any person in charge of the computer resource will be bound to extend all facilities and technical assistance to the agencies and failing to do will invite seven-year imprisonment and fine.
The MHA gave the authorisation under 69 (1) of the Information Technology Act, 2000 which says that the Central government can direct any agency after it is satisfied that it is necessary or expedient to do so in the “interest of the sovereignty or integrity of India, defence of India, security of the state, friendly relations with foreign states or public order or for preventing incitement to the commission of any cognizable offence relating to above or for investigation of any offence.”
 

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As if the Govt. was not doing it before.
Does anybody in here thinks that govt follows the rules when they have a doubt that the anti nationals are breaking the rules .

Congress found another chance to CRY OUT LOUD and they are. For the everything is politics.
Innocent common people has no worries on it..only the Lootyens and the anti Indians are worried.
 

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As if the Govt. was not doing it before.
Does anybody in here thinks that govt follows the rules when they have a doubt that the anti nationals are breaking the rules .

Congress found another chance to CRY OUT LOUD and they are. For the everything is politics.
Innocent common people has no worries on it..only the Lootyens and the anti Indians are worried.
Imagine Modi finds out what Rahul is watching these days on YouTube.
 

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This violates Article 20 clause 3 of the Constitution, specifically asking the subscriber to extend all facilities and technical assistance to the agencies and failing to do will invite seven-year imprisonment and fine.
 

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This violates Article 20 clause 3 of the Constitution, specifically asking the subscriber to extend all facilities and technical assistance to the agencies and failing to do will invite seven-year imprisonment and fine.
which must have been used by the anti nationals to scoot free and get impunity
 

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As if the Govt. was not doing it before.
Does anybody in here thinks that govt follows the rules when they have a doubt that the anti nationals are breaking the rules .

Congress found another chance to CRY OUT LOUD and they are. For the everything is politics.
Innocent common people has no worries on it..only the Lootyens and the anti Indians are worried.
But this official rule was necessary because when the tax department uses such surveillance, they can now have official backing, otherwise their evidence wouldn't have been admissible in court. Same with enforcement directorate and other agencies. It basically strengthens the legal framework. For example if Tharoor got his wife killed, now the digital evidence they already have on him can now be legally admissible in court.
 
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ha ha ha ha ha ha ha I am happy untill SUPREME COURT JUDJEMENT, many spicy days are coming............as usual NEHRU EMPIRE is getting ASSSS burn.
 

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But this official rule was necessary because when the tax department uses such surveillance, they can now have official backing, otherwise their evidence wouldn't have been admissible in court. Same with enforcement directorate and other agencies. It basically strengthens the legal framework. For example if Tharoor got his wife killed, now the digital evidence they already have on him can be legally be admissible in court.
:clap2::clap2::clap2::clap2::clap2::clap2::clap2::clap2:

Looks like all the NOOSE tugging is coming late into the spell...giving less reaction time to adversaries :D
 

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which must have been used by the anti nationals to scoot free and get impunity
that's not the point. the point here is it violates the Constitution. Think of the it as this way, if some other party comes to power (which will happen sooner or later) they can use the same law and or rule to persecute\prosecute the likes of us.
 

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that's not the point. the point here is it violates the Constitution. Think of the it as this way, if some other party comes to power (which will happen sooner or later) they can use the same law and or rule to persecute\prosecute the likes of us.
IF they have enough Electronic evidence. Ofcourse, with evidence people should be booked who ever comes into power.

If the argument is that evidence can be fabricated or planted...well!! its the same with digital or otherwise.
 

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that's not the point. the point here is it violates the Constitution. Think of the it as this way, if some other party comes to power (which will happen sooner or later) they can use the same law and or rule to persecute\prosecute the likes of us.
People in power can always persecute individuals or groups of individuals. They don't need laws for that. IF they want a person gone, they can get any one of their party psychopaths bump them off on a busy highway. They don't need to use the legal system for it. So, us civilians were already at a disadvantage. The loophole actually protected the mid level crooks who had lawyers who knew these loopholes, for example, you can't use a confession as evidence in court. POTA removed that constraint and suddenly a lot of Congress loyalists started going to jail, so the Congress itself lobbied to get POTA removed. The common people were hardly affected.

There was a recent precedent where the SC upheld that the right to privacy was a fundamental right. That is a very broad right, and people will argue this new law against the privacy law, but that law comes with the rider of 'reasonable privacy', 'in common public interest'. Meaning, if the government can prove that spying on a person was able to solve a crime or prevent an attack, then that person's right to privacy would be void.
 

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Chidu will be very very upset now!!!! Aint it?
His is a unique case, because he was Home Minister so he supposedly knows about the country's domestic and foreign spies, nuclear assets (supposedly because it was part of his job to keep them safe) and other national secrets. Sending a person who has been HM, or Def Min, or Foreign Sec. seems like a far fetched idea. They will play out the drama for us (like they did for Lalu and Jayalalita) and even the politician is aware that it is in his interest to pretend to cower under the law, as a ruse to keep the civilians under the impression that the law is supreme.

In the wild, big tigers pretend to be scared when small tigers playbite them, just to encourage the small tigers. The big politicians in India do the same. They pretend to go through judicial agony, so that the rest of us feel like "damn..when such a powerful person can be brought down, how can I escape". It's all perception management.

Chidambaram has an interesting lineage. His grandfather was granted the title of Raja by the British. So, he is a part of the colonial legacy. His wife is the daughter of a supreme court judge. So, he's never going to jail.
 

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His is a unique case, because he was Home Minister so he supposedly knows about the country's domestic and foreign spies, nuclear assets (supposedly because it was part of his job to keep them safe) and other national secrets. Sending a person who has been HM, or Def Min, or Foreign Sec. seems like a far fetched idea. They will play out the drama for us (like they did for Lalu and Jayalalita) and even the politician is aware that it is in his interest to pretend to cower under the law, as a ruse to keep the civilians under the impression that the law is supreme.

In the wild, big tigers pretend to be scared when small tigers playbite them, just to encourage the small tigers. The big politicians in India do the same. They pretend to go through judicial agony, so that the rest of us feel like "damn..when such a powerful person can be brought down, how can I escape". It's all perception management.

Chidambaram has an interesting lineage. His grandfather was granted the title of Raja by the British. So, he is a part of the colonial legacy. His wife is the daughter of a supreme court judge. So, he's never going to jail.
The reality is that none are going to jail. The intent is to threaten and get proper deals in favour. Regardless of what post he has held, he can be thrown inside jail just like Lalu Prasad yadav was thrown. Laluwas a much bigger political power than Chidambaram or Sibal. It is just that as long as political deals are made, there will be an amount of give and take. Law and other useless things apply only to the ignorants. The wise are always above the law if they can manage to get some leverage.or deals. Chidambaram has most likely made deals to save his neck. Him being home minister is not going to save anything. There is a reason there is compartmentalisation of ministries - to keep secrets even if a few are compromised. The names of spies and other things are not simply told to the ministers in detail. These things are kept decentralised with the respective handlers.
 

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His is a unique case, because he was Home Minister so he supposedly knows about the country's domestic and foreign spies, nuclear assets (supposedly because it was part of his job to keep them safe) and other national secrets. Sending a person who has been HM, or Def Min, or Foreign Sec. seems like a far fetched idea. They will play out the drama for us (like they did for Lalu and Jayalalita) and even the politician is aware that it is in his interest to pretend to cower under the law, as a ruse to keep the civilians under the impression that the law is supreme.

In the wild, big tigers pretend to be scared when small tigers playbite them, just to encourage the small tigers. The big politicians in India do the same. They pretend to go through judicial agony, so that the rest of us feel like "damn..when such a powerful person can be brought down, how can I escape". It's all perception management.

Chidambaram has an interesting lineage. His grandfather was granted the title of Raja by the British. So, he is a part of the colonial legacy. His wife is the daughter of a supreme court judge. So, he's never going to jail.
haldiram sirji can you tell me more about his family, want to know how more blessed he is, if names are provided then more good.
Thankyou.
 

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The irony is we humans if we want to believe can even believe the most unbelievable things.

If the incentives are adequate , a group of people can even believe the earth is flat etc etc.

Anyways regarding privacy , it is ironical we still believe in it .

Reminds me of this

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The data is already out there in the hands of corporations and organisations . They are already playing with it.

What does anyone expect these organisations to do with the data ? And how will we the citizens know what they are doing with the data , even if law does not allow it , how can one be certain data is not being used ?

There are many ways to manipulate , plug one , another opens.

FYI the US embassy operates their biggest data leeching operations in new Delhi and now we have morons crying over privacy :crazy:

The data privacy activists should start crying over the same no ? But they don't. Because every body has a agenda , most big shot privacy activists are funded and led by the big 5 Intel organisations who don't want competition , today national level, tomorrow international level in their turf.

Isnt it ironical most privacy advocates are from the west who themselves are home to biggest violators of privacy all round the world.

Learn to see the inevitable , the harsh realities .

The day you connected to internet , you already signed away your privacy for good.

The isp , web browser , the search engine , apps etc are already violating privacy and using it for their own purpose and selling it to the highest bidders. Just pretending that all is well does not mean all is well

So fighting for privacy is a another useless fad much like feminism etc etc, it's a red herring by the international Intel organisations to stop domestic capabilities.

let's not be like donkeys led by stupid articles written by equally stupid and dubious journalists. Learn to judge.

And lastly privacy chahiye to internet disconnect karo as simple as that .
 
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