Akash Surface-to-air Missile

[hitesh]

that seems like Banshee PTA dropping its targeted payload for akash and passes by

 

[Twinblade]

^^Can someone bust this?

28th may 2012 - two missiles fired in volley against PTA, one hit other miss.

30th may 2012 - Missile aimed at a para barrel target. Successful.

23rd April 2014 - Two missiles fired, successful including receding target on the edge of envelope.
Two Akash missiles tested - The Hindu

30th May 2014- Missile targeted at para barrel, successful

6th June 2014- Missile targets PTA, successful.

17th June 2014:- Missile targets Banshee, successful. Also from the Journalist that published the above story . Such a change of heart
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[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

Banshee Target Fails in India | UAS VISION
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surprisingly I found this. Actually the target, banshee can also have problems

 

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

double post.....

 

[Pandora]

Please drop your complain at this id: [email protected]

 

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

Akash is a medium range surface-to-
air anti-aircraft defence system
developed by DRDO. It has the
capability to carry warhead of 60 kgs.
The missile has the capability to target
aircraft up to 30 km away and is
packed with a battery that can track
and attack several targets
simultaneously.
During the trial Akash Missile aimed at
a para-barrel target. The missiles were
launched on tow body target of
Lakshya (pilotless target aircraft)
moving at low altitude far boundary,
and ripple mode missions. The missiles
intercepted the fast moving and
maneuvering small RCS targets within
small interval of five seconds in ripple
mode.
.
Defence News - India's Defense Preparedness on Top Gear

 

[knathan]

change akash missile with astra with booster around 300 to 400 kg, change warhead 15 to 30kg (icl20), what will happen, experts pls...

 

[ladder]

India test fires Akash missile in user trial

India test fires Akash missile in user trial | Business Line

 

[ladder]

India test fires Akash missile in user trial | Business Line

Mr. Rout of New Indian Express, had the following to say about the test.

Akash Missile Fails to Destroy Target - The New Indian Express

All well and good can but anybody tell me what is the aircraft is he talking about?

The missile was to hit the Italian aircraft Mirage, flown prior to the weapon's launch, in a simulated coordination

 

[Twinblade]

India test fires Akash missile in user trial | Business Line

Mr. Rout of New Indian Express, had the following to say about the test.

Akash Missile Fails to Destroy Target - The New Indian Express

All well and good can but anybody tell me what is the aircraft is he talking about?

Its not Mirage, it's a mirach aerial target drone.
http://www.aiad.it/aiad_res/cms/documents/SELEXGALILEOMirach1005AerialTargetSystem.pdf

'Failure' to hit the target is not alarming as since induction most of the Akash tests have been conducted at far boundary edge of the envelope targets.

 

[bhramos]

Yet Another 'Failure' for Akash Missile - The New Indian Express

Italian aircraft Mirage?

 

[bhramos]

Italian aircraft Mirach

 

[power_monger]

'Failure' to hit the target is not alarming as since induction most of the Akash tests have been conducted at far boundary edge of the envelope targets.

Can you explain the above statement? And why is that hit to kill is not final target of these test?

 

[Twinblade]

Can you explain the above statement? And why is that hit to kill is not final target of these test?

Edge of the envelope testing helps fine tune the engagement procedures. Often they are conducted to see if the missile is able to maintain it's advertised flight profile till the edge. All advertised ranges are best case scenarios, with target approaching towards the missile, head on. There is a certain range of every missile which is a 'no escape zone' at which the missile hits no matter what, beyond which the probability of interception starts falling. At those ranges it will not be able to target a fleeting target or a target moving perpendicular to the missile trajectory or if it is performing evasive manoeuvres. Thus for every kind of flight trajectory, the range will differ. Thus it is necessary to profile every kind of target behaviour to optimise targeting procedures to maximise the potential of missile beyond its no escape zone.

 

[power_monger]

Twinblade,Thanks for the explanation.

 

[Jagdish58]

Edge of the envelope testing helps fine tune the engagement procedures. Often they are conducted to see if the missile is able to maintain it's advertised flight profile till the edge. All advertised ranges are best case scenarios, with target approaching towards the missile, head on. There is a certain range of every missile which is a 'no escape zone' at which the missile hits no matter what, beyond which the probability of interception starts falling. At those ranges it will not be able to target a fleeting target or a target moving perpendicular to the missile trajectory or if it is performing evasive manoeuvres. Thus for every kind of flight trajectory, the range will differ. Thus it is necessary to profile every kind of target behaviour to optimise targeting procedures to maximise the potential of missile beyond its no escape zone.

Great :thumb: How good is Akash in this profile which u have explained any idea?? because IAF has told to scrap MAITHRI SAM in favour of Akash

Air Force Not Keen on Rs 30,000 Crore Indo-French Missile Deal: Sources

but we get news one day missile sucessful next day failed to hit target:shocked:
‘Akash’ user trial successfully conducted by IAF | idrw.org
Akash Missile Fails to Destroy Target | idrw.org

 

[Pulkit]

As per the article / news it didnt hit the target due to delay in launch .... which one need to work on...
but in the same news it says that it has fulfilled all the parameters and objectives of the test ....

The error delay in launch could be a glitch or a humane error anything which can be resolved easily.... :thumb:

Great :thumb: How good is Akash in this profile which u have explained any idea?? because IAF has told to scrap MAITHRI SAM in favour of Akash

Air Force Not Keen on Rs 30,000 Crore Indo-French Missile Deal: Sources

but we get news one day missile sucessful next day failed to hit target:shocked:
'Akash' user trial successfully conducted by IAF | idrw.org
Akash Missile Fails to Destroy Target | idrw.org

 

[Twinblade]

Great :thumb: How good is Akash in this profile which u have explained any idea??

Make no mistakes, Akash is an interceptor of vintage design backed by a very robust back end. Akash missile doesn't have an on board seeker which makes it very susceptible to electronic countermeasures. The enemy aircraft can jam the command link between the missile and the command center and it will go blind, and without a seeker, it cannot even home on jam. Even the Akash 2 is rumoured to have only semi active homing which should boost its capabilities reasonably without affecting the cost much.

because IAF has told to scrap MAITHRI SAM in favour of Akash

Air Force Not Keen on Rs 30,000 Crore Indo-French Missile Deal: Sources

IAF may not the immediate customer of Maitri, although eventually it will be the largest. It's the navy and the army who will be presented with Maitri first (both of which are in the process of procuring missiles in this class where Maitri will compete in open tenders). They need their QR-SAM and anti sea skimmer SAM. Airforce with its vast radar networks and assets will get significant advanced warning of incoming bogeys, but that is not true in the case of mobile army units or in the case of navy where a sea skimmer is detected only at the horizon. The airforce already has enough SpyDer where it considers them necessary. The army and navy require a missile system with a very short reaction time, very high manoeuvrability (to tackle sea skimmers), something that was done in the Trishul project. The Trishul, even though not ordered by any of the forces, enabled us to make a reliable back end, the weakness in the system remained the interceptor. Maitri takes the back end of Trishul and replaces the interceptor with MICA, which is a very capable interceptor. The replacement to Maitri is total import for army and navy. No domestic radars and command equipment gets ordered. If army and navy outright import a new SAM system, there will be no future variants of Maitri with MICA replaced by Astra.

 

[Defcon 1]

Make no mistakes, Akash is an interceptor of vintage design backed by a very robust back end. Akash missile doesn't have an on board seeker which makes it very susceptible to electronic countermeasures. The enemy aircraft can jam the command link between the missile and the command center and it will go blind, and without a seeker, it cannot even home on jam. Even the Akash 2 is rumoured to have only semi active homing which should boost its capabilities reasonably without affecting the cost much.

In the case of SARH SAMs, since the guidance radar doesn't have to turn around to avoid interception as in the case of SARH AAMs, shouldn't the SARH SAM be as good as an ARH SAM? Probably it would be even better than ARH SAM since it will be much difficult to jam a ground based radar as compared to a small radar on the missile.

IAF may not the immediate customer of Maitri, although eventually it will be the largest. It's the navy and the army who will be presented with Maitri first (both of which are in the process of procuring missiles in this class where Maitri will compete in open tenders). They need their QR-SAM and anti sea skimmer SAM. Airforce with its vast radar networks and assets will get significant advanced warning of incoming bogeys, but that is not true in the case of mobile army units or in the case of navy where a sea skimmer is detected only at the horizon. The airforce already has enough SpyDer where it considers them necessary. The army and navy require a missile system with a very short reaction time, very high manoeuvrability (to tackle sea skimmers), something that was done in the Trishul project. The Trishul, even though not ordered by any of the forces, enabled us to make a reliable back end, the weakness in the system remained the interceptor. Maitri takes the back end of Trishul and replaces the interceptor with MICA, which is a very capable interceptor. The replacement to Maitri is total import for army and navy. No domestic radars and command equipment gets ordered. If army and navy outright import a new SAM system, there will be no future variants of Maitri with MICA replaced by Astra.

It seems that the navy has decided to use Barak I as stopgap till Astra is ready to be used in the SAM role.

 

[power_monger]

Twinblade,
Does Astra has active homming systems to avoid jamming? Can technologies can be shared between Astra and Akash especially when it comes to interceptors?