Agni V Missile

[cobra commando]

Agni V Missile That Can Reach Chinese Cities To Be Inducted Soon: Sources

 

[no smoking]

There was absolutely nothing intelligent presented in that post. In other words, it was a complete waste of bandwidth.

As I asked you earlier, before you can talk about testing phase, you have to discuss the design phase. Which missile are you comparing Agni V against? Present the design of that missile first and then we can engage in what is called design analysis.

Before you ask the question or critisize, please learn to read the post first: none of us is talking about Agni V.

 

[no smoking]

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Chinese and their ultra superiority delusion.

Indian fanboy and their ultra inferior stupidity. As your own quote said, at the time, India got only 2 Agni-2 PROTOTYPE, arming the prototype missile with nuclear warhead? India would have to worry more about the possibility of her own un-certified nuclear missile falling on her own land rather than Pakistan missile. No, India was not that desperate at the time, Prithivy missiles were enough for any situation.

And again you should read your own quote carefully, the journalist mentioned "AGNI" instead of "Agni-2". At the time, Agni-2 was not ready, but there was another Agni missile was tested already and could be used in war: AGNI-TD.

 

[Jameson Emoni]

Before you ask the question or critisize, please learn to read the post first: none of us is talking about Agni V.

Well Chinese fanboy or Pakistanese fanboy or whichever fanboy you are, This thread is about Agni V. If you are not talking about Agni V then you are derailing the thread. Your posting pattern seems to indicate that you are a troll.

 

[sayareakd]

Indian fanboy and their ultra inferior stupidity. As your own quote said, at the time, India got only 2 Agni-2 PROTOTYPE, arming the prototype missile with nuclear warhead? India would have to worry more about the possibility of her own un-certified nuclear missile falling on her own land rather than Pakistan missile. No, India was not that desperate at the time, Prithivy missiles were enough for any situation.

And again you should read your own quote carefully, the journalist mentioned "AGNI" instead of "Agni-2". At the time, Agni-2 was not ready, but there was another Agni missile was tested already and could be used in war: AGNI-TD.

Chinese has no idea about Indian missile. Agni TD was made into Agni (in 1999), then called Agni 2, because Agni 1 was made specifically for Pakistan, now advance version called Agni 1p. Then Agni 3 was tested, later Agni 5 & Agni 2p later called Agni 4. Now Agni 3p and Agni 4 can about to come with Agni 6.

 

[no smoking]

Chinese has no idea about Indian missile. Agni TD was made into Agni (in 1999), then called Agni 2, because Agni 1 was made specifically for Pakistan.

Looks like Indian has no idea about his own missile.
No, Agni-TD and Agni-2 are two different missiles: Agni-TD was built with an Agni first stage and a Prithvi upper stage (liquid), which was an obsolete structure. Agni-2, however, was a further development on Agni-TD, replacing the liquid upper stage with a solid upper stage, which makes it suitable for modern war.

 

[sayareakd]

Looks like Indian has no idea about his own missile.
No, Agni-TD and Agni-2 are two different missiles: Agni-TD was built with an Agni first stage and a Prithvi upper stage (liquid), which was an obsolete structure. Agni-2, however, was a further development on Agni-TD, replacing the liquid upper stage with a solid upper stage, which makes it suitable for modern war.

If you cant read or understand English thats not my problem. Read what i posted again.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Sir we humbly accept that our missiles are not a great threat to china as ours are not tested like the P5 members neither we have the know how to make a perfect missile with just 5 test ..so let us live in our own Utopian world and you be least bothered about our claims and rebut back here . Please ignore the fanboys here and their claims who are just draining your energy..Danke

With Fewer test, we have achieved much more accuracy than china. Do not look at just test of one type of missile. It is simulation and test of similar technology which is important and they are tested on other platform as well. Look at OSRO. They simply jumped from some 10s satellite launch in one go to Over hundred. That happened because of sound theoretical knowledge and mastery of simulation. Same is the case of Mars mission. If you masters simulation and failure analysis, not too much of physical testing is required.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

As far as JV is concerned, India holds 51% stake in BRAHMOS.

50.5% to be precise. 51% makes it a different company.

 

[Chinmoy]

So, basically, what you saying is that if the so called “tech demo” archieved the purpose, they are inducted in service, if not, it remains “tech demo” which means move on to next. Please tell me how it is different from other countries missile development procedure?





How did this late induction of Agni-1 proved anything about Agni-2? How did this “industrial level production realization” has anything to do with the number of test we discuss here?


I just simply tell you Agni-2 was never been developed as “tech demo” from beginning. It was designed as a missile with purpose of being operational.Agni-2 derive from Agni-TD which is the “Tech demo” you talked about. However, the program was tested between 1989 and 1994, then terminated. A lot people thought that was Agni-1, actually it was not because it was an amalgam of the Prithvi and the SLV-3 booster with purpose to test RV, the Agni-1 on the other hand is a single stage rocket which is exactly the same one for the first stage of Agni-2. Its first test happened in 2002.


https://idsa.in/idsacomments/agni-i...-than-flagellation-is-needed_sbmaharaj_150517


The reason of this wired thing happen is that during the Kargil war, India realised that she need a short range solid missile to cover the gap between the liquid Prithvi and Agni-2.


https://books.google.com.au/books?id=FsFcCgAAQBAJ&pg=PA64&lpg=PA64&dq=agni-1+missile&source=bl&ots=ru3ZN3dt3L&sig=sZZKyBhSXiKBnPS73qJfmt1kzGI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiqwdfy1vfbAhUGp5QKHVigA1Y4HhDoAQhAMAQ#v=onepage&q=agni-1 missile&f=false






Do you really understand what you are talking about? That is a TARGET missile built based on Prithiv only to simulate the re-entry SPEED and ANGLE , not the range, of a 2000km missile under the standard trajectory.


During Agni-2 first test, even though its whole flying distance is only 1500km, but by increasing the maximum height of the trajectory, the performance of components, especially the engine of the missile can be tested for full range.


If you don’t even know about these ballistic missile ABC, it is really waste my time to discuss with you about missile design. I simply can’t explain it to a guy who think replacing missile components is as simple as changing the brand of ink in a pen.

One simple question............... Did you watched the video I shared? Did you asked anyone who is in knowledge of the language regarding what it was about?

The orator there is the person who is associated with IGMDP.

Regading your question as what has been prooved by late induction of A1 regarding A2................ My answer would be that you go through the whole post again. You can't make any any product enter production unless and until you achieved a inductrial production capability. A2 provided that to us.

During Agni-2 first test, even though its whole flying distance is only 1500km, but by increasing the maximum height of the trajectory, the performance of components, especially the engine of the missile can be tested for full range.

Now Mr Intelligent, this change in trajectory and height is achieved by making the missile lighter and incorporating new engine. All this when done on a system undergoing production, is known as upgradation.

 

[no smoking]

With Fewer test, we have achieved much more accuracy than china.

Oh, no, according to Indian resources, you have achieved much more accuracy than everyone.

Do not look at just test of one type of missile. It is simulation and test of similar technology which is important and they are tested on other platform as well. Look at OSRO. They simply jumped from some 10s satellite launch in one go to Over hundred. That happened because of sound theoretical knowledge and mastery of simulation. Same is the case of Mars mission. If you masters simulation and failure analysis, not too much of physical testing is required.

All these simulation technologies are built on massive scale tests. At least that is the fact for everyone else.

 

[lcafanboy]

All these simulation technologies are built on massive scale tests. At least that is the fact for everyone else.

Yup! We test and failed 1000 times and then simulated flight for Mars...:biggrin2:

Info for your small Chinese JUNK brain which can't see india succeeded in first attempt..:biggrin2:

Beijing is nextdoor for us compared to mars...

 

[Jameson Emoni]

Oh, no, according to Indian resources, you have achieved much more accuracy than everyone.



All these simulation technologies are built on massive scale tests. At least that is the fact for everyone else.

You will need less tests if you have a better design and a better design comes from a better understanding of principles that are involved. You don't need tests to build simulation. Tests are used to validate output. This brings us back to what people have been trying to tell you for quite sometime now and you are too simple to understand: number of tests you need is inversely proportional to your understanding of the principles involved.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Oh, no, according to Indian resources, you have achieved much more accuracy than everyone.



All these simulation technologies are built on massive scale tests. At least that is the fact for everyone else.

How many massive tests were carried out for Mars Mission or over 100 satellites launch?

 

[HariPrasad-1]

You will need less tests if you have a better design and a better design comes from a better understanding of principles that are involved. You don't need tests to build simulation. Tests are used to validate output. This brings us back to what people have been trying to tell you for quite sometime now and you are too simple to understand: number of tests you need is inversely proportional to your understanding of the principles involved.

Exactly, this is what I try to tell him but adamant to understand this.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Agni first stage

SLV first stage.......................

 

[Manish Khan]

From thetimesofindia,
Jul 1, 2018

India's most potent missile Agni-V to be inducted soon

India is in the process of inducting the first batch of its intercontinental ballistic missile system — Agni-V — which will bring targets across China within its range, and is expected to significantly bolster the country's military prowess .

 

[no smoking]

You will need less tests if you have a better design and a better design comes from a better understanding of principles that are involved. You don't need tests to build simulation.Tests are used to validate output.

Firstly, where do you think this "better understanding of principles" coming from? The answer is tests, numerous tests: different missile structures, different geological environment, different weather, different storage conditions, different transport method, etc. The list can go on and on. The simulations are built on your knowledge which can only learn from others or actual tests.

This brings us back to what people have been trying to tell you for quite sometime now and you are too simple to understand: number of tests you need is inversely proportional to your understanding of the principles involved.

That is interesting, American's understanding of the principles are decades ahead of India, they still process more tests than India every year. As the teacher of India's missile technology, Russia got higher number of tests than India too.

 

[Kshithij]

Firstly, where do you think this "better understanding of principles" coming from? The answer is tests, numerous tests: different missile structures, different geological environment, different weather, different storage conditions, different transport method, etc. The list can go on and on. The simulations are built on your knowledge which can only learn from others or actual tests.



That is interesting, American's understanding of the principles are decades ahead of India, they still process more tests than India every year. As the teacher of India's missile technology, Russia got higher number of tests than India too.

There are 2 sources of understanding - theoretical calculation and test proof. India does less tests but analyses a single test vigorously to get the perfect theoretical understanding. The tests generally lasts several minutes and each minute has data which can give away many details. India uses the difficult approach of analysing the minute details. Countries with higher resources do more tests and simply collect much more data for quick understanding. India does the hard way and hence needs more time to develop missiles

 

[Jameson Emoni]

Firstly, where do you think this "better understanding of principles" coming from? The answer is tests, numerous tests: different missile structures, different geological environment, different weather, different storage conditions, different transport method, etc. The list can go on and on. The simulations are built on your knowledge which can only learn from others or actual tests.

The origin of an understanding lies in theory. I can give you many examples of that. But let us start with one and hope that you will be able to grasp it. Existence of bosons was first acknowledged through theoretical calculations. It was only after few decades that meaningful experiments (tests) were designed to validate the existence of bosons. If scientists were to go by your style of science, the humanity will still be in the dark ages.

That is interesting, American's understanding of the principles are decades ahead of India, they still process more tests than India every year. As the teacher of India's missile technology, Russia got higher number of tests than India too.

You don't have any understanding of anybody's understanding First make sure to improve your own understanding before you can talk about India's or Russia's or America's understanding.