Afghan Pak skirmish at Chaman

[Guest]

at that time politicians/people did not have a vision for people living within our borders, forget vision about something beyond our borders.

This is the problem most Indians have- they make their own concepts about the global issues and become hostage to those concepts- I don't know why Indira hesitated- She was didn't blink an eye in 71-

She must have thought about Soviets extending their influence on India- But then Soviets used to send her briefcases directly to her office during emergency days-

 

[captscooby81]

The iranian s cry where ever there is Shia muslims ..So kashmir has some amount of Shia so they have raised kashmir issue often and offered to broker peace between india and pakistan on kashmir ...

Iran fuels Kashmiri terrorism? Never heard that one before.

 

[Bornubus]

I've stopped blaming modi

Beta Tum Bhi Modi Bhakt ban Gaye ?

 

[Sourav Kumar]

Of all Muslim countries only Iran has offered to mediate Kashmir issue- I hope you have at least heard this one recently-

It is surprising that I do not know this. Can you post a source?

 

[Guest]

The iranian s cry where ever there is Shia muslims ..So kashmir has some amount of Shia so they have raised kashmir issue often and offered to broker peace between india and pakistan on kashmir ...

It was Iran because of whom Kashmir was raised at UN in 1993- and It was dropped by Iran when Indian diplomat threatened to send 10 crore Indian Muslims to Pakistan-

They are not worried about Shias- Shias are hated in the valley- they can't even have tajiya procession in Srinagar- Iran by freeing Kashmir and Palestine from Kuffar wants to show Muslims who really deserves to be their leader-

But even then Muslims will refuse Iran- and Iran will try something even crazier like fully destroying India and West to become the leader of Muslims- they are obsessed with this-

 

[Degenarate]

Didn't Iran veto a OIC resolution which was to corner India on human rights violation and put that up in UNSC, back in 1994. If it hadn't been for their veto we might have incurred a UNSC sanction as at that time Russia under Boris Yeltsin was pro-USA and might not have vetoed it. We averted a great crisis back then as that time whole India was burning in communal violence and we just started to get out of the economic mess we found ourselves in 1991.

Iranians were angry because we didnt return the favor on IAEA board meeting when they were at a similar situation like us. Maybe all those Kashmir statements are because of that.

 

[Guest]

It is surprising that I do not know this. Can you post a source?

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india...ver-kashmir/story-fJYZJa8SWB5x9610z4Kx7H.html

 

[Bornubus]

There is a report on dawn which13 pakistan soldiers r beheaded by indian army between 2002-2013.Ever did you see any report from pakistani media or ispr about this incidents .No they will never accept this and pretend like nothing happened to maintain their image within country.

Actually this report in Dawn itself quoting Indian Media especially Hindu and it's "source"


Pakis never claimed that their Soldiers are were beheaded by Indian Army otherwise it would shatter the invisible image of Pak Fauz and the morale of Paki population and Army will at their boots because "inferior" kafir Army beheaded Gazhis and Pakis will ask the same retribution that Indians are asking now.


These kinds of beheadings are only made public by India.

 

[Sourav Kumar]

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india...ver-kashmir/story-fJYZJa8SWB5x9610z4Kx7H.html

So that was their ambassador to pakistan saying that. But that statement (for mediation) is not under quotes. Any ambassador can go to say anything when he goes to pakistan. For mediation on Kashmir, if any country is volunteering, that offer must come from its head of state. Indian govt in any case will reject that (unless Kejri or Lalu or Mamta become PM!)

 

[Guest]

Actually this report in Dawn itself quoting Indian Media especially Hindu and it's "source"


Pakis never claimed that their Soldiers are were beheaded by Indian Army otherwise it would shatter the invisible image of Pak Fauz and the morale of Paki population and Army will at their boots because "inferior" kafir Army beheaded Gazhis and Pakis will ask the same retribution that Indians are asking now.


These kinds of beheadings are only made public by India.

Pakis got a good taste by TTP- They used to decorate mountains with Paki SSG heads-

India only does as retaliation- else every fence section would've scores of Paki heads hanging on LoC-

 

[captscooby81]

He might be trying to see how it feels to be on the other side of the spectrum ... which is the new bug everyone wants to give a try because of boredom

Beta Tum Bhi Modi Bhakt ban Gaye ?

 

[Guest]

So that was their ambassador to pakistan saying that. But that statement (for mediation) is not under quotes. Any ambassador can go to say anything when he goes to pakistan. For mediation on Kashmir, if any country is volunteering, that offer must come from its head of state. Indian govt in any case will reject that (unless Kejri or Lalu or Mamta become PM!)

Yes we can reject It- But what does that make of Iran's attitude towards India-

Who do you think brought Islam to Kashmir ? Please have a good reading of History on this-

 

[ezsasa]

This is the problem most Indians have- they make their own concepts about the global issues and become hostage to those concepts- I don't know why Indira hesitated- She was didn't blink an eye in 71-

She must have thought about Soviets extending their influence on India- But then Soviets used to send her briefcases directly to her office during emergency days-

Problems of the past should not stop us from adopting new policies in the present.
Thankfully since economic liberalisation, for the most part Indian diplomacy has been more proactive in comparison to earlier periods.

all is not lost.

For me, only cause of worry is that nobody is explaining what is the vision for the country 25 years from now. Majority of the plans right now have a target date of 2022. Once long term objectives are identified, everything will fall into place.

 

[Guest]

Didn't Iran veto a OIC resolution which was to corner India on human rights violation and put that up in UNSC, back in 1994. If it hadn't been for their veto we might have incurred a UNSC sanction as at that time Russia under Boris Yeltsin was pro-USA and might not have vetoed it. We averted a great crisis back then as that time whole India was burning in communal violence and we just started to get out of the economic mess we found ourselves in 1991.

Iranians were angry because we didnt return the favor on IAEA board meeting when they were at a similar situation like us. Maybe all those Kashmir statements are because of that.

Have good read about this person- Iran's interests in Kashmir predates UN-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mir_Sayyid_Ali_Hamadani

And they don't have any intention of stopping at Kashmir only- You should remember that while most of India was able to save their culture- Kashmiris were converted in great numbers- later these missionaries sent delegations to Aurangzeb with their plans for whole India-

The greatest missionary whose personality wielded the most extraordinary influence in the spread of Islam in Kashmir was Mir Sayyid Ali Hamadani of Hamadan (Persia) popularly known as Shah-i-Hamadan. He belonged to the Kubrawi order of Sufis and came to Kashmir along with seven hundred disciples and helpers. His emphasis was on the Islamization of royal family and the court as a pre-requisite for Islamizing people. This was an important modus operandi adopted by Syed Ali and his deciples. He was of the firm belief that the common masses followed the conduct and culture of their rulers. His disciples established shrines with lodging and langar at many places in Kashmir which served as centres for propagation of Islam. His preaching resulted in a colossal number of Kashmiri people and priests of the aforementioned religions along with thousands of their followers converting to Islam which became the vastly dominant religion of the Kashmiri masses by the fourteenth century. Mir Sayyid Ali Hamadani's impact in Kashmir was not only confined to religion but had a great say on culture, industry and economy of Kashmir. Spread of shawl making, carpet manufacturing, cloth weaving, etc. gained great prominence by his efforts.

Kashmir is Iran's 1st real victory over India-

 

[F-14B]

http://www.dw.com/en/worst-border-clashes-in-years-are-afghanistan-and-pakistan-at-war/a-38743051
While the border clashes between Afghanistan and Pakistan are not a new occurrence, observers say this time around the situation is more "warlike."

 

[Bornubus]

He might be trying to see how it feels to be on the other side of the spectrum ... which is the new bug everyone wants to give a try because of boredom

Bhai voh tired ho gaya expect karte karte

 

[Guest]

Problems of the past should not stop us from adopting new policies in the present.
Thankfully since economic liberalisation, for the most part Indian diplomacy has been more proactive in comparison to earlier periods.

all is not lost.

For me, only cause of worry is that nobody is explaining what is the vision for the country 25 years from now. Majority of the plans right now have a target date of 2022. Once long term objectives are identified, everything will fall into place.

First our planners need to break pre-conceived notions and self imposed limitations- 2022 is Just the next important step- the Goal has to be even more glorious than the plans of 2022-

When the Chinese revolution won in 1949 they were hungry and wide spread famines were occurring while whole of China lay in shambles after decades of wanton looting by foreigners- It was then they vowed to become world's greatest power in 100 years time- Today they are firmly on that path and will achieve It-

Indians need to get over Hindu, muslim, right wing, liberal, cows, gau rakhshaks, modi, Kejriwal, congress etc-

 

[raheel besharam]

Beta Tum Bhi Modi Bhakt ban Gaye ?

He might be trying to see how it feels to be on the other side of the spectrum ... which is the new bug everyone wants to give a try because of boredom

Bhai voh tired ho gaya expect karte karte

Correct, and i want to unban myself from LoC thread

 

[Bornubus]

Pakis got a good taste by TTP- They used to decorate mountains with Paki SSG heads-

India only does as retaliation- else every fence section would've scores of Paki heads hanging on LoC-

Given the chance Indian troops belong to certain communities are worst than TTP as far as treating the enemy but this is not whole point of retribution which is teaching a lesson to the enemy as a Punishment and as a Humiliation that Pakis always fell shame and inferiority complex whenever they talk to Indian.

As of now, if you engage with any Paki he will fell pride and insult an Indian that how his brave Army cut our soldier's head and how our soldiers are hungry (BSF Episode) and on top of it our stupid media who always put Mirch Masala as how BAT team came 200 Mts inside our territory.


This is so demoralising. Today I have seen much pain in the eyes of Gen Bakhshi speaking on DD News talk show.

 

[F-14B]

The usual chutiyas are back and sadden by the worsening relations
No price for gussing who

http://www.india.com/news/india/ind...-interruptible-appeals-civil-society-2108139/